• More U.N. peacekeepers than ever fail to stop African wars
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[QUOTE=TheTalon;43416104]Oh well. Africa is a lost cause, it's a shit hole that refuses to fix itself. If you dropped them tools to build a better tomorrow they'd just kill each other with the tools[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.au.int/en/[/url]
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;43417085]This is where we start having problems. Hell, I'm pretty sure I pointed this out the last page.[/QUOTE] Most UN peacekeepers are actually from the Pakistani, Indian and Bangladeshi militaries anyway. The US has a rather embarrassingly small contribution to the force, considering the size of our regular military. [IMG]http://puu.sh/69LpH.png[/IMG] [URL]http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/resources/statistics/contributors.shtml[/URL] Specifically, the top 5 contributors are Pakistan, India, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, and Rwanda, in that order. [editline]4th January 2014[/editline] To be even more specific, let's look at the figures from two of the largest and most recent UN missions: [B][U]Contingent Troops in South Sudan (UNMISS)[/U][/B] [B]India:[/B] 3,732 [B]PR China:[/B] 360 [B]Japan:[/B] 196 [B]United States:[/B] 5 [B][U]Contingent Troops in DR Congo[/U][/B][B][U] (MONUSCO)[/U][/B] [B]Bangladesh:[/B] 2,559 [B]Egypt:[/B] 1,007 [B]Ukraine:[/B] 254 [B]PR China:[/B] 221 [B]United States:[/B] 3 [url]http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/contributors/2013/nov13_3.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=Megafan;43414706]Because it's not their role to go in, decide which side is correct, and shoot at the other. Aside from the uproar among member states, it's supposed to be an [I]impartial mediator.[/I][/QUOTE]Maybe have a separate organization, perhaps entirely separate from the UN, that actively targets and pursues groups or factions who are responsible for war crimes and atrocities? I'm not sure where this magical group of peacemakers would come from, but what do you think that would do to the situation in Africa? I can't see any immediate ramifications, but I'd suspect such a group could potentially come under major international scrutiny because they're "vigilantes" and taking international law into their own hands. Even if such a group were to somehow conduct their actions entirely within international law (ignoring the lawful combatant part in regards to themselves) I'd imagine a lot of governments would get angry that they couldn't coerce or control such an entity. Kind of like how Sea Shepherd pissed off certain people in high places because they were harassing whalers without some special government sanctioning. (that doesn't exist, but that's beside the point)[QUOTE=NoDachi;43416157]Yeah africa is a savage filled shithole that needs to be turned into lebensraum for more civilised folk btw i'm not racist - Signed, Facepunch[/QUOTE]He never said that. He said, "Africa is a lost cause, it's a shit hole that refuses to fix itself." I don't know if you have some strange, crippling form of dyslexia that makes you incapable of actually understanding sentences, and if so I hope that you can find some sort of help for your disorder, but please stop putting words in other people's mouths. You do it in plenty of threads and I'm not sure why you think this is okay because it's really not. While the stance of doing absolutely nothing isn't exactly helpful or very nice, it is [i]not[/i] the same thing as actively exterminating people.
Can the peacekeepers actually do anything? Or do they have to wait until someone shoots at them
I should probably ask my old man what he did for 4 tours as a Peacekeeper. All I know is his two friends that he joined up with are dead. One to a landmine and the other to a overturned armored car after an artillery strike. Pretty much all the stories of death and heroism after the Civil War south of the border come from Peacekeeping operations. And I honestly don't know if it was worth it or not, the Congo is still bad even tough Mobutu is long dead, Lebanon is still pretty bad. I don't like mouthing off saying "They did fuck all" when I wasn't there or seen what they changed or kept safe. But at the same time for every problem solved often at the countries own initiative another one breaks outs because of the history. It's like an endless terrible circle. It makes you wonder if there wasn't an organisation like the UN or the AU or whatever thing would pretty much be a lot worse because there would probably be no rebuilding, or aid, or security.
[QUOTE=Megafan;43418596]Most UN peacekeepers are actually from the Pakistani, Indian and Bangladeshi militaries anyway. The US has a rather embarrassingly small contribution to the force, considering the size of our regular military. [IMG]http://puu.sh/69LpH.png[/IMG] [URL]http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/resources/statistics/contributors.shtml[/URL] Specifically, the top 5 contributors are Pakistan, India, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, and Rwanda, in that order. [editline]4th January 2014[/editline] To be even more specific, let's look at the figures from two of the largest and most recent UN missions: [B][U]Contingent Troops in South Sudan (UNMISS)[/U][/B] [B]India:[/B] 3,732 [B]PR China:[/B] 360 [B]Japan:[/B] 196 [B]United States:[/B] 5 [B][U]Contingent Troops in DR Congo[/U][/B][B][U] (MONUSCO)[/U][/B] [B]Bangladesh:[/B] 2,559 [B]Egypt:[/B] 1,007 [B]Ukraine:[/B] 254 [B]PR China:[/B] 221 [B]United States:[/B] 3 [url]http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/contributors/2013/nov13_3.pdf[/url][/QUOTE] Now that you mention it, this is starting to look fucking embarrassing..
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;43424627]Now that you mention it, this is starting to look fucking embarrassing..[/QUOTE] We contribute in other ways than troops to the UN specifically.
[QUOTE=Megafan;43418596]Most UN peacekeepers are actually from the Pakistani, Indian and Bangladeshi militaries anyway. The US has a rather embarrassingly small contribution to the force, considering the size of our regular military.[/QUOTE] The US prefers to send its own peacekeeping/policing forces.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43430815]The US prefers to send its own peacekeeping/policing forces.[/QUOTE] Give that power to the UN. Ideally the UN should be the ultimate authority.
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