[QUOTE=Telepethi;44925254]Please quote for me, anywhere in this thread, where I said african americans were more prone to violence based on genetics.[/QUOTE]
[quote]African Americans display a higher propensity for violence, especially armed, than other ethnicities.[/quote]
[quote]Guys! Guys! I'm not racist! Stop laughing![/quote]
[QUOTE=Telepethi;44925254]From what it seems like it was just some people that got upset/heated with each other and a gun or two [U]game[/U] out. Not surprising that all the suspects were [B]black[/B].[/QUOTE]
Another day, another late
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;44925191]Do you really think this is cool what is going on thanks to just guns being handed out ? No need to learn the laws, get permits, get a psychologic test, narcological test, be asked for a reason to get a gun. This is what it leads to.
huegwalloftextgoeshere[/QUOTE]
A lot of places you cited have strict gun control, for example Cali or NY. Having strict gun laws doesn't stop criminals obtaining firearms. Problem is uneducated, irresponsible gun owners. And guns aren't being "Handed out", for example in Georgia if you have a made a criminal offense its really hard to obtain a firearm or near impossible. If you are convicted felon - no firearm for you.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;44925236]Citation needed.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/fireviol.txt[/url]
"According to the latest available data, those
who use guns in violent crimes rarely purchase
them directly from licensed dealers; most guns
used in crime have been stolen or transferred
between individuals after the original purchase."
[QUOTE=Masterofstars;44925289]quotes[/QUOTE]
Nothing you quoted mentions genetics.
Other ethnicities tend to have it easier integrating in America than african americans. Hispanic and asian people both tend to find more in common with white people and are typically given similar opportunities that african americans are not.
[QUOTE=Telepethi;44925497]Nothing you quoted mentions genetics.
Other ethnicities tend to have it easier integrating in America than african americans. Hispanic and asian people both tend to find more in common with white people and are typically given similar opportunities that african americans are not.[/QUOTE]
It's almost as though the majority is putting up barriers for the minority that they perceive as being the least like them. Many hispanic people are seen as white, and there really aren't any negative stereotypes of asians being propagated by white people.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;44925596]It's almost as though the majority is putting up barriers for the minority that they perceive as being the least like them. Many hispanic people are seen as white, and there really aren't any negative stereotypes of asians being propagated by white people.[/QUOTE]
Well there is the ONE stereotype.
Y'know. That one.
[sp]The one about small penises[/sp]
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;44925191]Do you really think this is cool what is going on thanks to just guns being handed out ? No need to learn the laws, get permits, get a psychologic test, narcological test, be asked for a reason to get a gun. This is what it leads to.
[too many misguided statistics][/QUOTE]
You are so misinformed that it is honestly kind of pathetic. If you're going to continue on your track, that's fine. But what you have been targeting this entire time are people who get guns by means other than the ones legally set (aka illegal). Please provide statistics on crimes committed with illegally obtained weapons vs. legally obtained weapons. Once you start digging up those numbers, then you will realize that this isn't an issue with regulation or laws, something you seem to be ignoring.
As much as I hate when people pull the "foreigner" card for things like this, you are starting to make me realize that it is probably not a far off thing...
[QUOTE=Telepethi;44925614]Well there is the ONE stereotype.
Y'know. That one.
[sp]The one about small penises[/sp][/QUOTE]
what are you implying
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44925662]what are you implying[/QUOTE]
Zeke said there weren't any negative stereotypes about Asians circulated by white people and I was correcting him, that there is, the common idea that asians have small penises
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;44925191]Do you really think this is cool what is going on thanks to just guns being handed out ? No need to learn the laws, get permits, get a psychologic test, narcological test, be asked for a reason to get a gun. This is what it leads to.
-snip-[/QUOTE]
Guns are not just being handed out. You require a 4473 check which looks over your past and present medical records, and if you have the slightest blip on your record, you are put on a waiting period. I actually had to wait three days to purchase my first rifle because they found that I had been recently visiting a psychiatrist, and they wanted to ensure that my psych was cool with it.
Drug tests occur depending on the state, but it's deemed unconstitutional under the 5th Amendment to force people to do drug tests. If drug tests were made mandatory for purchasing a firearm, it'd create headway for people to be forced to take drug tests when requesting welfare or foodstamps.
And my reason for purchasing a gun is simple: I like shooting cans in the middle of nowhere and I help local farmers clear out rabbit and prairie dogs from their property. If this is something that does not fall under "just cause" I'll assume a political and religious point of view.
[B]Political [/B]- Under the 2nd Amendment, I am granted permission to own firearms and other types of weaponry in order to protect my country from domestic and foreign entities which may attempt to destroy our current standing government and way of life. If this does not work... Under the Militia Act of 1907 and Selective Service Act of 1917, all able bodied citizens of the United States between the ages of seventeen and forty five are enlisted as reserve militia, also known as "unofficial" military forces. This ground work has been re-approached and approved of thanks to Heller v. District of Columbia(2007), in which the Supreme Court voted in favor of private firearm ownership under the decree of the past Militia Acts in the United States.
[B]Religious[/B] - As the United States has laws which protect people in their freedom of religion, it can be seen that weapon control laws would go against certain religions such as Sikhism, Islam, certain sects of Christianity, Buddhism, and Neo-Pagan religions[including Aleaism].
|WARNING: CONTROVERSIAL STANCE|
With how white-flight went in the 1950's/1960's, it can be seen that the current issues relating to poverty, income disparity, and wealth differences between different races and ethnicities will have certain types of gun control go against the 14th Amendment. As firearm ownership becomes more of a "rich person hobby" it causes a great deal of low-income workers, most of which are minorities, to have the freedoms they are guaranteed by the American constitution, taken away.
As such, most gun control is racist is nature. As it's an attempt by high incomers, most of which are white, to disarm minorities and low-income caucasians.
The only way for gun control to be applied legally and constitutionally is when it is applied in a method where it does not take away firearms from certain minority and income groups. We should always have criminal background checks, but any sort of "training" for firearm ownership should be done within the public education system. By lettings teens know the rules of firearm safety at an early age, and having a government mandated program to train them in marksmanship(Civilian Marksmen Program), we can not only ensure that firearm safety is known by the masses, but we can also ensure that current attempts at gun control does not go over the lines of equal rights set by the 14th Amendment.
[editline]27th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;44925596]It's almost as though the majority is putting up barriers for the minority that they perceive as being the least like them. Many hispanic people are seen as white, and there really aren't any negative stereotypes of [B]asians being propagated by white people.[/B][/QUOTE]
[B][I] Those fucking yellow chinaman and gooks keep coming over and taking our railroad jobs, and their women cannot drive worth shit because of their slanted eyes[/I][/B]
/White Americans in California circa 1920's - 1950's
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/YellowTerror.jpg[/t][t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Anti-Chinese_Cartoon_from_1886.gif[/t]
[QUOTE=The Baconator;44926331][url]http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this,36131/[/url][/QUOTE]
I hate people that compare the gun deaths of people in the US to other "developed" nations when those nations have outlawed guns. I hardly ever see data comparing the murder rate without focusing on guns, or mass attacks that didn't involve guns but where people still died.
I mean no shit more shootings happen here, we allow guns to be sold. Why isn't there any data comparing the amount of shootings that result in death [I]adjusted for the fact that there's 300 million guns in our country?[/I] why don't they show the data about the mass stabbings that happen in china regularly, or any other place for that matter? It's because you know it will prove that it's the people who commit the acts, not the gun itself, that is a danger.
Where's the data about lives saved by guns? where's the data about how many guns are smuggled into the US through mexico and canada and other sources that would still happen even if they were illegal? Where's the data comparing a persons likelihood to be robbed in poverty stricken areas with and without concealed carry? Where is all this data that actually matters and doesn't skew the point by comparing things that aren't comparable without adjustment?
Also, some of you are incredibly misinformed about how you get a gun in the US. Someone mentioned just selling a gun to someone in a walmart parking lot, A lot of states, like Illinois, have a Firearms Owners ID card. You have to pass a background check both for criminal and psychological issues, and you are either approved or denied by the state. Once you have the card and purchase a gun from a retailer, why shouldn't you be allowed to sell it to someone else who also has a FOID card?
Why does this shit always come full circle to guns? People are blatantly ignoring the problem, and they're doing it because it's so much easier to point the finger at one scapegoat and call it a fucking day. Guns are inanimate objects. They don't do the killing. At the end of the day it's the person who's pulling the trigger who's doing the killing, and THAT PERSON is the problem. The "availability of guns in the US" is such a futile, ignorant, and outright lazy argument. People don't magically start murdering one another because they possess something that is dangerous.
Do an experiment. Walk down a sidewalk, facing oncoming traffic. Just walk. I bet that you could walk all day, every day, for the rest of the fucking year and not one person driving down the road is going to see you, and turn the wheel so that they run your ass down, despite the fact that that they could quite easily pummel you with thousands of pounds of plastic and metal.
And I doubt anyone would ban cars just because they are CAPABLE of doing that. Guns have their purpose, just like cars have their purpose. When some asshat goes into a rampage and runs a bunch of people down, you don't hear bullshit like "BAN FORDS THEY'RE DANGEROUS AND KILL CHILDREN!". Why in god's name is it any different for guns?
That fucker was bent on murder. If you people saw his videos you'd know it didn't matter if he had a gun or not. Which brings me to the other argument.
For those set on the "Ban all guns" argument, do you honestly think it's feasible that you can eradicate hundreds of millions of guns without ill-consequence? Reducing gun-crime works in places like the UK because they initially did not have a strong gun-culture. Guns were never as interwoven in their society from the get-go. Banning guns in the UK is like banning jellied eel and shrunken heads in the US.
Anyway. I digress. Background Check, Licensing, Training, and periodic renewal of licensing, along with updating documentation on the above. Leave it at that and move on. If anyone has a valid argument, please, let me hear it.
here are some things that we can do to reduce crime in the united states that doesn't involve gun control and actually tries to combat the problem instead of putting a bandage on it:
1. improve public schooling.
2. invest in infrastructure, esp. in poverty-stricken areas.
3. institute rehabilitative prison reform to drop recidivism rates and ultimately lower crime rates.
4. legalize marijuana (less fathers stuck in prison for non-violent offences).
5. provide better funding to police departments in crime-stricken areas.
6. institute new legislation to stop racism/racial profiling in police departments.
7. use outreach programs to try and mend the damaged relationship between minorities and the police.
8. use outreach programs to encourage academic interest and optimism in poverty-stricken areas.
9. raise the minimum wage.
10. nationalize health insurance.
11. provide financial education and foster entrepreneurship in poverty-stricken areas.
12. use tax breaks and incentives to foster small businesses in these areas.
13. attempt to change social stereotypes and expectations to make it easier for minority youths to self-create success and still be admired by both peers and competitors.
14. institute programs and campaigns to encourage collective action in crime-stricken and impoverished neighborhoods.
15. institute legislation and programs to weed out corruption in local officials.
16. overturn citizen's united and institute legislation to reduce the influence of money in politics.
17. use outreach programs and campaigns to increase voter turnout in local elections.
18. reduce financial and social barriers to campaigning for and getting into elected office.
[QUOTE=joes33431;44927789]here are some things that we can do to reduce crime in the united states that doesn't involve gun control and actually tries to combat the problem instead of putting a bandage on it:
1. improve public schooling.
2. invest in infrastructure, esp. in poverty-stricken areas.
3. institute rehabilitative prison reform to drop recidivism rates and ultimately lower crime rates.
4. legalize marijuana, [B]cocaine, and other drugs[/B] (less fathers stuck in prison for non-violent offences). [B]Decriminalize drug possession for almost every drug[/B]
5. provide better funding to police departments in crime-stricken areas.
6. institute new legislation to stop racism/racial profiling in police departments.
7. use outreach programs to try and mend the damaged relationship between minorities and the police.
8. use outreach programs to encourage academic interest and optimism in poverty-stricken areas.
9. raise the minimum wage.
10. nationalize health insurance.
11. provide financial education and foster entrepreneurship in poverty-stricken areas.
12. use tax breaks and incentives to foster small businesses in these areas.
13. attempt to change social stereotypes and expectations to make it easier for minority youths to self-create success and still be admired by both peers and competitors.
14. institute programs and campaigns to encourage collective action in crime-stricken and impoverished neighborhoods.
15. institute legislation and programs to weed out corruption in local officials.
16. overturn citizen's united and institute legislation to reduce the influence of money in politics.
17. use outreach programs and campaigns to increase voter turnout in local elections.
18. reduce financial and social barriers to campaigning for and getting into elected office.[/QUOTE]
Mind if I add some?
19. Nationalize the banking system so that every state has it's own bank(ala Bank of North Dakota), and forcefully increase transparency in banking.
20. Every American should be entitled to two free years of trade school or college.
21. Invest into green technologies, and sell our oil and natural gas reserves to other countries.
22. Introduce a "Nomadic Employment Act" which opens a new Board of Employment. This act will aid workers in finding jobs, help them with the cost of moving, and help them find housing in their new place of work.
23. Deurbanize cities by destroying buildings that are no longer in use, and are becoming a safety hazard.
24. Draft a new Militia Act which disallows the National Guard from being deployed out of their state's borders.
25. Introduce Gun Safety/Education programs in the public education system. Make it a requirement to know firearm safety and allow for parents to have their sons and daughters enter a marksmanship course.
26. Crack down on all Public Education schools, and disallow them from spending more than 8% of their funding on athletic sports(Football/Baseball/Soccer).
27. Make it easier for 3rd Parties to exist in the United States, get rid of the Electoral College, and create Anti-Trust laws for political parties.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44925685]
[B][I] Those fucking yellow chinaman and gooks keep coming over and taking our railroad jobs, and their women cannot drive worth shit because of their slanted eyes[/I][/B]
/White Americans in California circa 1920's - 1950's
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/YellowTerror.jpg[/t][t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Anti-Chinese_Cartoon_from_1886.gif[/t][/QUOTE]
Yeah and white people have managed to get over those for the most part, haven't they?
Also, the "women can't drive" thing exists for all races. It's a sexist stereotype, not specifically a racist one.
[editline]27th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44925685]
|WARNING: CONTROVERSIAL STANCE|
With how white-flight went in the 1950's/1960's, it can be seen that the current issues relating to poverty, income disparity, and wealth differences between different races and ethnicities will have certain types of gun control go against the 14th Amendment. As firearm ownership becomes more of a "rich person hobby" it causes a great deal of low-income workers, most of which are minorities, to have the freedoms they are guaranteed by the American constitution, taken away.
As such, most gun control is racist is nature. As it's an attempt by high incomers, most of which are white, to disarm minorities and low-income caucasians.
The only way for gun control to be applied legally and constitutionally is when it is applied in a method where it does not take away firearms from certain minority and income groups. We should always have criminal background checks, but any sort of "training" for firearm ownership should be done within the public education system. By lettings teens know the rules of firearm safety at an early age, and having a government mandated program to train them in marksmanship(Civilian Marksmen Program), we can not only ensure that firearm safety is known by the masses, but we can also ensure that current attempts at gun control does not go over the lines of equal rights set by the 14th Amendment.
[/QUOTE]
Also, I don't consider this very controversial, aside from claiming that gun control is racist. Teaching people at a young age to respect guns as tools instead of deifying them as freedom and/or penis extenders would go a long way toward nipping problematic American gun culture in the bud.
what in the fuck happened in here
[QUOTE=SexualShark;44928066]what in the fuck happened in here[/QUOTE]
Some hippie came in here and taught us the black magic of haiti which we used to erect the giant stone penis of rust from the ground. Garry then flew from England, and shouted about how it was huge, and they couldn't blur this out for their next interview with PC Gamer, and some people go upset and suggested we use guns to shrink the size of it.
all in all it was very confusing.
[editline]27th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;44928003]Yeah and white people have managed to get over those for the most part, haven't they?
Also, the "women can't drive" thing exists for all races. It's a sexist stereotype, not specifically a racist one.[/QUOTE]
It depends where you go, but I still hear people getting their dicks in a twist regarding anything Japanese.
Not to mention people in the United States have bad geographic skills:
[t]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BH5iW5hCUAA8Rq4.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;44928003]
Also, I don't consider this very controversial, aside from claiming that gun control is racist. Teaching people at a young age to respect guns as tools instead of deifying them as freedom and/or penis extenders would go a long way toward nipping problematic American gun culture in the bud.[/QUOTE]
Overall, I do not mind the ownership of firearms and all that, I just rather not outlaw things for pointless reasons, and ignore the reasons for why people do things. But yes, it'd be a massive benefit to American Gun Culture if people saw firearms as tools of self-defense and the proper tool for things like hunting and such.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;44925191]Do you really think this is cool what is going on thanks to just guns being handed out ? No need to learn the laws, get permits, get a psychologic test, narcological test, be asked for a reason to get a gun. This is what it leads to.
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Number 17: 1/27/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, Rocky Mount, NC
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Number 18: 1/27/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 4 injured, Seattle, WA
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Number 33: 2/16/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 4 injured, Fort Worth, Tx
[url]http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/02...tockyards.html[/url]
[url]http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/247416...rth-stockyards[/url]
Number 34: 2/16/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 4 injured, Jacksonville, Fl
[url]http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/...oting/5530199/[/url]
[url]http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...hill-nightclub[/url]
[url]http://www.gainesville.com/article/2...-Florida-club-[/url]
Number 35: 2/16/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 6 injured, Dallas, Tx
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/one-dead...las-nightclub/[/url]
[url]http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/One...245753181.html[/url]
[url]http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime...d-shooting.ece[/url]
Number 36: 2/16/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 6 injured, Pine Hills, FL
[url]http://www.gainesville.com/article/2...t-house-party-[/url]
[url]http://www.greenfieldreporter.com/vi...Party-Shooting[/url]
[url]http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/02/1...ots-fired.html[/url]
Number 37: 2/18/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 6 injured, Fort Lauderdale, Fl
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4810242.html[/url]
[url]http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/02/1...iami-dade.html[/url]
[url]http://www.sun-sentinel.com/fl-shoot...nshot-20140216[/url]
Number 38: 2/20/2014, Cherie Lash Rhoades, 4 dead 2 injured, Alturas, Ca
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/police-4-dead-...042059615.html[/url]
[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1622207[/url]
[url]http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/201...-headquarters/[/url]
Number 39: 2/20/2014, James Anthony Chin, Christian Eduardo Menrano-Ramirez and Richard Brody Thompson, 0 dead 12 injured, St. Petersburg, FL
[url]http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/357...gun-in-St-Pete[/url]
[url]http://www.wfla.com/story/24777523/4...ple-in-st-pete[/url]
[url]http://www.tampabay.com/news/publics...otings/2166491[/url]
Number 40: 2/20/2014, Andrew Sizemore, 4 dead 0 injured, Indianapolis, IN
[url]http://www.startribune.com/nation/246522671.html[/url]
[url]http://www.theindychannel.com/news/l...-on-south-side[/url]
[url]http://wishtv.com/2014/03/05/police-...outheast-side/[/url]
Number 41: 2/23/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, Wilmington, CA
[url]http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/...n-harbor-city/[/url]
[url]http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...les&id=9441699[/url]
Number 42: 2/24/2014, Unknown, 4 dead 1 injured, Glade Spring, VA
[url]http://www.tricities.com/news/articl...7a43b2370.html[/url]
[url]http://www.hickoryrecord.com/news/us...7a43b2370.html[/url]
[url]http://www.chron.com/news/crime/arti...me-5265585.php[/url]
Number 43: 2/26/2014, John Conta Jr., 4 dead 0 injured, Oak Lawn, IL
[url]http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...&id=9446990%5D[/url]
[url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...-fire-20140227[/url]
Number 44: 3/3/2014, Xzavier Tyrone Mazyck, 0 dead 4 injured, Detroit, Mi
[url]http://www.freep.com/article/2014022...hot-in-Detroit[/url]
[url]http://www.freep.com/article/2014030...t-tax-shooting[/url]
[url]http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/24...rvice-business[/url]
Number 45: 3/5/2014, Jared Michael Williams, and Hope Phillips, 3 dead 1 injured, Pelzer, NC
[url]http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/248...ting-in-pelzer[/url]
[url]http://www.wlos.com/shared/news/feat...ng-15393.shtml[/url]
[url]http://www.greenvilleonline.com/arti...riple-slayings[/url]
Number 46: 3/8/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 3 injured, Richmond, Ca
[url]http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...bay&id=9459909[/url]
[url]http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/...ng-5301713.php[/url]
Number 47: 3/9/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, Milwaukee, WI
[url]http://fox6now.com/2014/03/09/four-t...cally-injured/[/url]
[url]http://www.jrn.com/tmj4/news/Four-in...249196091.html[/url]
Number 48: 3/9/2014, Patrick Calhoun, 0 dead 6 injured, Chicago, IL
[url]http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2...-at-party.html[/url]
[url]http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...ews&id=9459725[/url]
[url]http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local...249578131.html[/url]
Number 49: 3/9/2014, Igmidio Mista, 3 dead 1 injured, Fremont, OH
[url]http://www.newsnet5.com/news/state/3...club-shootings[/url]
[url]http://www.thestate.com/2014/03/09/3...-shooting.html[/url]
Number 50: 3/14/2014, Two Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, Brooklyn, NY
[url]http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...ork&id=9467017[/url]
Number 51: 3/16/2014, Joe Frederick Hawkins, 3 dead 1 injured, Beaumont, TX
[url]http://www.chron.com/news/texas/arti...me-5324763.php[/url]
Number 52: 3/16/2014, Tacorey Lamon Lakes, Brandell Shaquael Little, and Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, Waynsboro, GA
[url]http://www.wjbf.com/story/24988474/4-shot-in-waynesboro[/url]
Number 53: 3/22/2014, Antonio Marcel Flenoid , 0 dead 4 injured, Sikeston, Mo
[url]http://www.kfvs12.com/story/25046780...ar-in-sikeston[/url]
Number 54: 3/22/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, North Charlston, SC
[url]http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/250459...harleston-club[/url]
Number 55: 3/23/2014, Alvin Bell, 1 dead 3 injured, Arlington, TX
[url]http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2014...shooting.html/[/url]
Number 56: 3/24/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 7 injured, San Francisco, CA
[url]http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/201...e-by-shooting/[/url]
Number 57: 3/24/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 3 injured, Long Beach, CA
[url]http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...urant-20140324[/url]
Number 58: 4/3/2014, Ivan Lopez, 4 dead 16 injured, Kileen, TX
[url]http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...ate&id=9489479[/url]
[url]http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...lf-5372059.php[/url]
[url]http://rt.com/usa/fort-hood-shooting-lockdown-969/[/url]
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26863033[/url]
[url]http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/02/us...ing/index.html[/url]
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/p...s-of-shooting/[/url]
Number 59: 4/4/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, Detroit, Mi
[url]http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detr...oits-east-side[/url]
[url]http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...it-s-east-side[/url]
Number 60: 4/5/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 5 injured, Chicago, Il
[url]http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...ews&id=9492677[/url]
[url]http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20140...others-wounded[/url]
Number 61: 4/5/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 3 injured, Phoenix, Az
[url]http://www.abc15.com/news/region-pho...boring-parties[/url]
[url]http://www.sandiego6.com/news/state-news/254057061.html[/url]
Number 62: 4/5/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, Fairfield, Ca
[url]http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...bay&id=9493728[/url]
Number 63: 4/6/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, Oklahoma City, Ok
[url]http://www.koco.com/news/4-hurt-in-o...oting/25346772[/url]
[url]http://www.news9.com/story/25176032/...at-nw-okc-club[/url]
Number 64: 4/6/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, Springfield, Ma
[url]http://www.masslive.com/news/index.s...pringfiel.html[/url]
Number 65: 4/7/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, New Orleans, LA
[url]http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/...ves_4_inj.html[/url]
Number 66: 4/10/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 3 injured, Arlington, TX
[url]http://www.pal-item.com/article/2014...ooting-victims[/url]
Number 67: 4/11/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, Richmond, IN
[url]http://www.pal-item.com/article/2014...ooting-victims[/url]
Number 68: 4/12/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 3 injured, New Orleans, LA
[url]http://www.wwl.com/pages/18797373.php[/url]
Number 69: 4/13/2014, Derek Morse, 3 dead 1 injured, Lookout Valley, TN
[url]http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/25208440...ing-a-shooting[/url]
Number 70: 4/14/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 3 injured, Washington, DC
[url]http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/loca...st-dc/7691681/[/url]
Number 71: 4/14/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 3 injured, Vineland, NJ
[url]http://www.thedailyjournal.com/artic...nclick_check=1[/url]
[url]http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/252...land-shootings[/url]
Number 72: 4/17/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, Nashville, TN
[url]http://www.newschannel5.com/story/25...uring-shooting[/url]
Number 73: 4/20/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 5 injured, Chicago, Il
[url]http://wgntv.com/2014/04/21/5-childr...side-shooting/[/url]
Number 74: 4/20/2014, Unknown, 2 dead 2 injured, Tampa Bay, FL
[url]http://www.tampabay.com/news/publics...ooting/2175979[/url]
Number 75: 4/20/2014, Kim Tong Yik Doluony, 1 dead 3 injured, Mankato, MN
[url]http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/0...kato-shooting/[/url]
Number 76: 4/20/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 6 injured, Montgomory, IL
[url]http://wgntv.com/2014/04/21/6-shot-a...in-montgomery/[/url]
Number 77: 4/24/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 3 injured, Houston, TX
[url]http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=9514647[/url]
Number 78: 4/25/2014, Unknown, 2 dead 3 injured, Memphis, TN
[url]http://www.wmctv.com/story/25338203/...rning-shooting[/url]
Number 79: 4/27/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 3 injured, Rome, GA
[url]http://www.ajc.com/news/news/1-dead-...hooting/nfjGq/[/url]
[url]http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/...7a43b2370.html[/url]
Number 80: 4/27/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 5 injured, Troy, NY
[url]http://www.timesunion.com/local/arti...oy-5433252.php[/url]
Number 81: 4/29/2014, Geddy Kramer, 1 dead 6 injured, Cobb County, GA
[url]http://www.ajc.com/news/news/cobb-po...-facili/nfkNR/[/url]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/29/justic...dex/index.html[/url]
[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...lanta/8449315/[/url]
Number 82: 4/30/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, Chicago, Il
[url]http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/04/...re-shooting-2/[/url]
Number 83: 4/30/2014, Kevin Douglas Addison, 2 dead 2 injured, Nanaimo, BC
[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.1774795[/url]
[url]http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Sus...260/story.html[/url]
Number 84: 5/3/2014, Porfirio Hernandez, 4 dead 4 injured, Jonesboro, AR
[url]http://dailydigestnews.com/2014/05/r...sas-shootings/[/url]
[url]http://www.kait8.com/story/25421094/...boro-shootings[/url]
Number 85: 5/3/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, Houston, TX
[url]http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...in-5450776.php[/url]
Number 86: 5/5/2014, Karim Kamdar, 2 dead 2 injured, Fort Bend County, TX
[url]http://www.khou.com/news/local/Life-...257927111.html[/url]
Number 87: 5/5/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, Chicago, Il
[url]http://abc7chicago.com/archive/9527250/[/url]
Number 88: 5/5/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, Wheat Ridge, CO
[url]http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...custody-050314[/url]
Number 89: 5/9/2014, Darrin Campbell , 4 dead 0 injured, Tampa, FL
[url]http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind...ly_set_fi.html[/url]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/09/justic...ansion-deaths/[/url]
Number 90: 5/9/2014, Unknown, 4 dead 0 injured, Pomona, CA
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ifornia-family[/url]
[url]http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...509-story.html[/url]
Number 91: 5/10/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 6 injured, Sacramento, CA
[url]http://www.sacbee.com/2014/05/10/639...-shooting.html[/url]
[url]http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/...cramento-park/[/url]
Number 92: 5/10/2014, Oslushla Smith, 1 dead 3 injured, DeKalb, GA
[url]http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local...home-in/nftWg/[/url]
[url]http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-l...g-that-/nfw34/[/url]
Number 93: 5/11/2014, Marvin Louis Guy, 1 dead 3 injured, Kileen, TX
[url]http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/...3931399854346/[/url]
Number 94: 5/11/2014, Unknown, 2 dead 3 injured, DeKalb, GA
[url]http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/1...-dekalb/nfs8b/[/url]
Number 95: 5/12/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, Chicago, Il
[url]http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20140...ur-men-wounded[/url]
Number 96: 5/17/2014, unknown, 0 dead 5 injured, Washington, DC
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...5c0_story.html[/url]
Number 97: 5/18/2014, Unknown, 2 dead 2 injured, Cobb County, GA
[url]http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local...hooting/nfy7F/[/url]
Number 98: 5/17/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 3 injured, Coachella, CA
[url]http://ktla.com/2014/05/17/coachella...#axzz32eab06Sn[/url]
Number 99: 5/22/2014, Jarmon Phillips, 1 dead 3 injured, Dallas, Tx
[url]http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Qua...260202931.html[/url]
Number 100: 5/24/2014, Elliot Rodger, 7 dead 7 injured, Santa Barbara,CA
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/25/us...-shooting.html[/url]
[url]http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/7-...-santa-barbara[/url]
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A4N05120140524[/url]
Number 101: 5/24/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 3 injured, Bellflower, CA
[url]http://ktla.com/2014/05/23/quadruple...#axzz32eab06Sn[/url]
Number 102: 5/24/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 7 injured, New Orleans, LA
[url]http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/...treet/26152954[/url]
Number 103: 5/24/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, San Antonio, TX
[url]http://www.ksat.com/news/4-injured-i...oting/26150408[/url]
Number 104: 5/24/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 5 injured, Detroit, Mi
[url]http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/25...still-at-large[/url]
Number 105: 5/25/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 3 injured, Toledo, OH
[url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/...ledo-shooting/[/url]
Number 106: 5/25/2014, Unknown, 3 dead 1 injured, Myrtle Beach, SC
[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...oting/9569305/[/url][/QUOTE]
I just got home from work and I'm too tired to give a rejoinder on your astounding ignorance.
See yourself out, goodnight.
[editline]28th May 2014[/editline]
and I can't edit this to snip his wall of text because the fucking edit box is still broken.
Garry get your shit together
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44925685][B][I] Those fucking yellow chinaman and gooks keep coming over and taking our railroad jobs, and their women cannot drive worth shit because of their slanted eyes[/I][/B]
/White Americans in California circa 1920's - 1950's
[/QUOTE]
try "white Canadians" 1800 - 2014
About 50-60% of the population in Vancouver/lower mainland is of Chinese/south/east asian decent and there's quite a lot of conceited racists here, people always bitching that there's a few street signs in Chinatown that have Cantonese/mandarin on them, and how white people are slowly becoming a minority/white genocide etc etc. There's definitely still a lot of anti-Asian rhetoric going around even today
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;44929900]I just got home from work and I'm too tired to give a rejoinder on your astounding ignorance.
See yourself out, goodnight.[/QUOTE]
A* response. You totally dominated that discussion! What's your next move? Posting another picture of your guns to try and prove some weird point? What is your endgame with those posts? It does nothing but make you look fucking awkward.
But yes, the edit feature really needs fixing, holy cocks.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44934656]A* response. You totally dominated that discussion! What's your next move? Posting another picture of your guns to try and prove some weird point? What is your endgame with those posts? It does nothing but make you look fucking awkward.
But yes, the edit feature really needs fixing, holy cocks.[/QUOTE]
Regardless. Bombing the chat with information overload in the form of 100+ links, which he probably didn't even make the effort to compile himself is a pretty immature way to present an argument.
[QUOTE=viper720666;44935653]Regardless. Bombing the chat with information overload in the form of 100+ links, which he probably didn't even make the effort to compile himself is a pretty immature way to present an argument.[/QUOTE]
Certainly a shit ton better than posting a picture of guns you own and something like "does this scare you???" under it in every thread where gun control comes up.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44935751]Certainly a shit ton better than posting a picture of guns you own and something like "does this scare you???" under it in every thread where gun control comes up.[/QUOTE]
Every thread except this one, apparently.
[QUOTE=DeEz;44920630]Unfortunately that's what happens when you hand out guns willy nilly[/QUOTE]
TOTALLY CANT POSSIBLY BE GANG RELATED
shootings happen literally every single day in this country. When it hits the media it's never gang related.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44935751]Certainly a shit ton better than posting a picture of guns you own and something like "does this scare you???" under it in every thread where gun control comes up.[/QUOTE]
it would be much worse if it were in the middle of the thread; he got lucky in that his post was at the bottom of the page.
an obnoxious and superficial argument is better than an obnoxious and superficial argument in way of 100+ links that take up a significant amount of time to scroll through.
good job on him, he posted a lot of links about shootings, that does not make a cogent argument in favor of his position - he needs to establish a causal link between guns and higher crime rates, rather than posting superficial data in a hyperbolic manner as a method of misleading people, and then he needs to argue for a policy that is actually effective at stopping the violent crime.
guns are here to stay in the united states. you can't make them go away. most guns used in violent crimes are given between people or stolen, because people [I]realize[/I] there's a registry, so gun registries and mental health checks are already doing as much of a job as they can. furthermore, lots of people in the united states buy guns specifically [I]because[/I] of high violent crime rates; they feel the need to purchase personal protection because they fear criminals and fear for their lives.
now, that doesn't mean that keeping a gun for self defense is necessarily a good idea (pulling a gun in a robbery situation then turns it into a life-or-death situation instead of a i-want-your-wallet situation, which most definitely increases the rate of being harmed or killed), but it explains a good portion of gun prevalence.
[QUOTE=Revenge282;44922847][B]First off[/B], can you refrain from using caps lock to get your points across, it comes off very immature.
Secondly, the problem isn't the market. Criminals or mentally insane gun users don't/can't just stroll into a Wal-Mart and pick up the latest Remington HeadSeeker 9000 Baby-edition. The whole underlying issue (from what I have seen, and I think everyone else should see) is the lack of responsibility on (a very small, small fraction) of gun owners. Unfortunately, you can legislate stupidity. If you could, there would a whole lot less accidents on the road, and the news would run out of stories. Individual purchases in the state of Florida (my state) are unregulated, but the purchase from stores are not, and even more-so for handguns (which 90%+ of crimes are committed with).[/QUOTE]
lmfao this isn't a "lack of responsibility" issue, there is a concrete understanding among floridian gun owners (hi i am one) that guns privately sold are something that the government shouldn't be looking on because most of the gun toting community feels it's some ridiculous "infringement on freedom", which is utterly ridiculous. imposing the same restrictions on private sales that are done with brick and mortar sales just makes sense.
there's this massive, hugely pervasive idea among the gun "community" that guns are in no way the problem, that the government is not a body you can trust, and that you need to "protect" yourself from the state attempting to regulate your firearms. i've been shooting since i was a kid, my father hand loads rounds, i've lived the shit.
there is a culture that surrounds guns that paints them as some sort of weird holy tool that is only used for protection when in reality they're used overwhelmingly for either a.) assault or b.) sport, and given that holding a firearm on your person increases your likelihood of being involved in a violent dispute by a factor of four, i'd say it's a [I]bit[/I] of an important issue to tackle directly.
you're painting "criminals" as separate from normal human beings, grouping them with the "mentally ill" as the NRA loves to do, painting the mentally ill community at fault (let's "support" the mentally ill community by attributing [I]all violence that occurs[/I] to them), when guess what in reality the [I]overwhelming[/I] majority of violent crime that exists is committed by perfectly normal people. most gun violence isn't from gang activity, although that is always a favorite one to pin it on.
[editline]28th May 2014[/editline]
and i've been in plenty of floridian walmarts down there where they sell shotguns right off the wall
Yea, they do sell shotguns... if you pass a federal background check, which you pay for. Plenty of things you can do in the US to lower gun crime, which is already lowering. End the drug war, fix public education, etc. I shouldn't have to give anyone any fucking reason on why I want a gun. I don't give people reasons for anything else I own, so why the hell should I tell people why I want my Mosin Nagant?I don't care if that scares you, grow a pair.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44937373] imposing the same restrictions on private sales that are done with brick and mortar sales just makes sense. [/QUOTE]
This.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44937373]
..that the government is not a body you can trust... [/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;kf8trl69kzo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf8trl69kzo[/video]
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44937373] ...when in reality they're used overwhelmingly for either a.) assault or b.) sport, and given that holding a firearm on your person increases your likelihood of being involved in a violent dispute by a factor of four... [/QUOTE]
Please provide some valid evidence.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44937373] ...you're painting "criminals" as separate from normal human beings, grouping them with the "mentally ill" as the NRA loves to do, painting the mentally ill community at fault (let's "support" the mentally ill community by attributing [I]all violence that occurs[/I] to them), when guess what in reality the [I]overwhelming[/I] majority of violent crime that exists is committed by perfectly normal people. most gun violence isn't from gang activity, although that is always a favorite one to pin it on.[/QUOTE]
Er....no. We separate criminals and the mentally ill (who have committed violent acts) from [I]law abiding citizens[/I], not human beings. And yes, they [I]aren't[/I] normal. This does not mean we are making them sub-human. And please show me where the NRA contributed [I]all[/I] violence to the mentally ill. I must've missed that. And no, crime is not committed by normal people. By definition, crime is antisocial behavior. Antisocial behavior is behavior that deviates from the socially acceptable, i.e. the norm. All people who commit crimes are law breakers, and law breakers are not "normal people". So how about we figure out how to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals BEFORE disarming the "normal" population, please.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44937373]lmfao this isn't a "lack of responsibility" issue, there is a concrete understanding among floridian gun owners (hi i am one) that guns privately sold are something that the government shouldn't be looking on because most of the gun toting community feels it's some ridiculous "infringement on freedom", which is utterly ridiculous. imposing the same restrictions on private sales that are done with brick and mortar sales just makes sense.
there's this massive, hugely pervasive idea among the gun "community" that guns are in no way the problem, that the government is not a body you can trust, and that you need to "protect" yourself from the state attempting to regulate your firearms. i've been shooting since i was a kid, my father hand loads rounds, i've lived the shit.
there is a culture that surrounds guns that paints them as some sort of weird holy tool that is only used for protection when in reality they're used overwhelmingly for either a.) assault or b.) sport, and given that holding a firearm on your person increases your likelihood of being involved in a violent dispute by a factor of four, i'd say it's a [I]bit[/I] of an important issue to tackle directly.
you're painting "criminals" as separate from normal human beings, grouping them with the "mentally ill" as the NRA loves to do, painting the mentally ill community at fault (let's "support" the mentally ill community by attributing [I]all violence that occurs[/I] to them), when guess what in reality the [I]overwhelming[/I] majority of violent crime that exists is committed by perfectly normal people. most gun violence isn't from gang activity, although that is always a favorite one to pin it on.
[editline]28th May 2014[/editline]
and i've been in plenty of floridian walmarts down there where they sell shotguns right off the wall[/QUOTE]
I'm glad that you are also a Floridian gun owner, like myself. You should know then first-hand how important gun responsibility is, and unfortunately due to a lack of it, that an overwhelming majority of all these fatalities with guns are linked by a lack of responsibility on the ownership's part.
As for your suggestion on imposing the same restriction on private sales that are on commercial sales, how exactly do you expect that to be enforced if it did actually pass? What resources could the layperson have to follow through with those laws, and who is going to enforce that they do so, and enforce it effectively?
Concerning the gun culture and government fear you mention, is it overkill? At times, yes. But also, this is something (which you may or may not relate with, being a gun owner yourself) which a lot of people hold dear as something recreational, and it is being threatened by blind legislature going off of reaction. I never put all the blame on the mentally ill like you suggest, I put it on the criminal activity which is [I]often[/I] and issue attributed to mental issues. I think we can both agree that it is not psychologically (or socially) acceptable to murder a person or people.
However, you are right. I am painting criminals in a different light from the "normal" people. That is because they are different. Criminals are irresponsible to say the least, and because of their actions you are seeing the "normal" people taking the brunt of it. When was the last time you saw gun control pop up when a normal guy did something non-criminal? Criminals, in this case, aren't normal people. They are people who intended to inflict lethal harm on others, which would be the second point that I hope we could both agree on.
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