ITS HAPPENING! Scotland begins to vote on Independence.
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Thank god the flag will live on
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;46019852]Goddamn son, them's some high stakes.
Those things go for like 20p these days.[/QUOTE]
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I don't even recognize this world we live in anymore.
On topic: Glad to see common sense prevailed in Scotland; now rather than breaking up and weakening we can focus on remaining strong together against the many external threats we face.
Can someone explain what people are talking about when they're going on about Federalism?
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Look at how grateful he is
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I don't even recognize this world we live in anymore.
On topic: Glad to see common sense prevailed in Scotland; now rather than breaking up and weakening we can focus on remaining strong together against the many external threats we face.[/QUOTE]
2[B]5[/B]p?!
Good god, all is lost.
[QUOTE=Hezzy;46019922]Can someone explain what people are talking about when they're going on about Federalism?[/QUOTE]Afaik basically the current system of US government i.e. states get to decide on a much broader range of policy e.g. taxation and spending on public services, with only a few issues solely decided by a central government, such as national defence. I think Australia runs on a similar system as well.
[QUOTE=Hezzy;46019922]Can someone explain what people are talking about when they're going on about Federalism?[/QUOTE]
Federalism is when you essentially have a bunch of "member states" that make up the country (states, provinces, countries, etc) and you have a federal government that mainly does foreign relation shit and makes certain federal laws. Examples of Federal coutnries include Canada, Australia, USA, etc. All their states and provinces have local legislative assemblies, and in the case of Canada and the US, each province/state can collect it's own revenue (provincial tax, state tax) and spend that money on their own shit. State and Provincial laws as well.
UK is weird, Scotland, Wales and NI are given federal-ish powers (ie: devolution), but people in England have no powers because there is a false de-facto assumption that the UK parliament is the English parliment (spoiler: it's not), and the UK government behaves as a central government.
If the UK was federated it would loosely mean that England would receive it's own separate government or government[B]s[/B], as would Wales, NI and Scotland remain their own state entities. England would likely need to be broken up into various states or provinces because of England's disproportionately high population relative to the already devolved countries, in order for federalism to work properly. Likewise areas like Northern England would probably benefit from having their own local legislative assemblies
Its time for Piers Morgan to carry out his Forfeit now.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;46019756][URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/scottish-independence-tory-revolt-against-devo-max-grows-as-rail-minister-claire-perry-joins-9741966.html"]Probably not[/URL]
If Quebec serves as an accurate comparison you guys should buckle in for about 20+ years of constant ridicule and people crackin' wise about scotland though, losing a referendum is like blood in the water for sharks. Maybe Brits are not as conceitedly mean-spirited as Canadians though, we'll have to see :v:[/QUOTE]
Canadians are the friendliest people to everyone except the Quebecois.
But it's mostly the quebecois inferiority complex we're laughing at. I mean really... a language police? Also, they're very unfriendly when compared to the rest of Canada.
Scotland =/= quebec.
Highlands has voted no too.
I think this has to be one of the most Active threads. I mean The Fappening was huge but I think this has more people that are just posting.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;46020004]Canadians are the friendliest people to everyone except the Quebecois. But for real, it's mostly the quebecois inferiority complex we're laughing at. I mean really... a language police?[/QUOTE]
Businesses like Eatons and HBC, and others, used to discriminate against french speakers in the 1940s-1970s IIRC, and in cities like Montreal they would hire people who only spoke English. Since then we have had bilingualism language acts established and stuff that forces those companies to enfranchise french speakers
The concept of language police seems dumb now but to older people who still have bad memories of being blatantly disenfranchised that's the world they grew up in and probably still see today.
It's likely that complex will go away in time as there are fewer quebecois who had to deal with discrimination growing up, and there is legal protection in the form of bilingualism that forces enfranchisement of french speakers.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;46020044]Businesses like Eatons and HBC, and others, used to discriminate against french speakers in the 1940s-1970s IIRC, and in cities like Montreal they would hire people who only spoke English. Since then we have had bilingualism language acts established and stuff that forces those companies to enfranchise french speakers
The concept of language police seems dumb now but to older people who still have bad memories of being blatantly disenfranchised that's the world they grew up in and probably still see today.
It's likely that complex will go away in time as there are fewer quebecois who had to deal with discrimination growing up, and there is legal protection in the form of bilingualism that forces enfranchisement of french speakers.[/QUOTE]
You seem to forget that there was also massive discrimination against the anglophones in quebec as well, a little thing called the FLQ crisis. My mother was driven out of quebec in fact, after a neighbor of hers received a mailbomb.
It isn't bilingualism in Quebec, the law pretty much states that all businesses must have signs with french being the prominent language. And all business must be conducted in french. It's ludicrous to be honest.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;46020066]You seem to forget that there was also massive discrimination against the anglophones in quebec as well, a little thing called the FLQ crisis. My mother was driven out of quebec in fact, after a neighbor of hers received a mailbomb.
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FLQ was a reactionary movement that happened mostly after the period I mentioned and in response to the period I mentioned.
You're right about bilingualism in quebec, but as french is a minority language and english is spoken in every other province, it gets certain protections. English is not going to vanish from Canada, French on the other hand could, given time if disenfranchising in quebec became a common occurrence.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;46020089]FLQ was a reactionary movement that happened after the period I mentioned and in response to the period I mentioned.[/QUOTE]
That makes the FLQ crisis sound like a minor event in comparison to the events you mentioned. And moreover, it glosses over the fact that this hostility works both ways.
Honestly... thats a damn weird thing to say to be honest.
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Like, you wouldn't consider The Troubles an event that happened in between acts of intolerance against northern irishmen.
Alright well you just keep up your part of the hostility and we'll see how it works out in the longrun. Two wrongs make a right after all.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;46020120]Alright well you just keep up your part of the hostility and we'll see how it works out in the longrun. Two wrongs make a right after all.[/QUOTE]
If you consider [i]this[/i] hostility... you need to reevaluate that. Honestly all I'm doing is discussing it with you, and saying both sides are at fault.
Francophones get so damn antsy about this sometimes. "L'OPPRESSION!"
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;46020155]Francophones get so damn antsy about this sometimes. "L'OPPRESSION!"[/QUOTE]
I can't speak a word of french and I'm from BC :v: (assuming you're implying i'm from quebec)
I just don't understand why people made such a fight to get Quebec to stay, only to spend the next 15 years just endlessly berating them about it. Might be how Scotland will play out as well
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;46020188]I can't speak a word of french and I'm from BC :v: (assuming you're implying i'm from quebec)
I just don't understand why people made such a fight to get Quebec to stay, only to spend the next 15 years just endlessly berating them about it. Might be how Scotland will play out as well[/QUOTE]
It's because what the separatists wanted was to break away from Canada but still have full financial support from it. You can't bloody do that, and even if you could, what's the damn point in independence if you're still economically dependent? You'd be doing nothing.
There's no popular massive gossip around without the Simpsons' point of view apparently.
[video=youtube;W6vDzf-wSbk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6vDzf-wSbk[/video]
I have certain love-hate relationship with this show.
[QUOTE=JtRtheRiPPeR;46020338]There's no popular massive gossip around without the Simpsons' point of view apparently.
[video=youtube;W6vDzf-wSbk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6vDzf-wSbk[/video]
I have certain love-hate relationship with this show.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but then they voted [highlight]NO[/highlight].
[video=youtube;dFaAIylVHfI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFaAIylVHfI[/video]
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Wow, I did not expect the highlands to vote no. Now the map has a few specks of green in an ocean of red.
Thank god
Update: I can confirm I didn't get a Freddo
[QUOTE=smurfy;46020588]Update: I can confirm I didn't get a Freddo[/QUOTE]
I.miss freddos when they were 10p
i just googled freddos...
my god I knew they were ringing bells somewhere in my head
This photo is circulating fb, cant confirm its real yet since ive not watched tv but if it is i'm going to be fucking raging
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[editline]19th September 2014[/editline]
yep, from what ive heard they're going back on their "promise"
what a surprise, well done no voters
[QUOTE=Ryz0;46023237]This photo is circulating fb, cant confirm its real yet since ive not watched tv but if it is i'm going to be fucking raging
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[editline]19th September 2014[/editline]
yep, from what ive heard they're going back on their "promise"
what a surprise, well done no voters[/QUOTE]
It's referring to more power for English MPs
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29281819[/url]
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