ITS HAPPENING! Scotland begins to vote on Independence. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;46010663]I hope the turnout is yes, even if it's just so that we won't forget all of this happened in a few months and it'll really go down in history. You have to wonder what would happen.[/QUOTE] The same thing that happened when Quebec tried this in '95, 50.9% vote no, the politicians blame jews and immigrants (they literally did), and the separatism movement moves further and further into the fringes of society. The event is then taught briefly in history classes, and touched on a little more in politics and social studies classes.

[QUOTE=HighOnSinz;46011925]The trouble is odds are Scotland will end up with just as shit a political landscape.[/QUOTE] You say this but scots are generally quite progressive with their voting. I suspect pretty fast there would be alternative voting, this in itself would be a major step toward "unfucking" the voting system. We in the UK just won't get it, we were promised it and didn't get it, there is also the house of lords to contend with, unelected with unfixed terms, scotland wouldn't suffer from that either. Salmond might be fishy but at least they will have the option of voting for what they want and getting it, more than 60% of the time. British politics is carp anyway, choice between tories and labour, tories being tories and ed milliband leaves labour a fish out of water. Not even worth voting for lib dems, they had their chance and blew it by betraying their supporters, nick clegg is wet and utterly spineless.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46012019]The same thing that happened when Quebec tried this in '95, 50.9% vote no, the politicians blame jews and immigrants (they literally did), and the separatism movement moves further and further into the fringes of society. The event is then taught briefly in history classes, and touched on a little more in politics and social studies classes.[/QUOTE] Didn't they want to leave Canada, but keep the free health care?

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46012047]You say this but scots are generally quite progressive with their voting. I suspect pretty fast there would be alternative voting, this in itself would be a major step toward "unfucking" the voting system. We in the UK just won't get it, we were promised it and didn't get it, there is also the house of lords to contend with, unelected with unfixed terms, scotland wouldn't suffer from that either.[/quote] 63% of Scots voted no to AV in 2011 though

there isn't an anti-english sentiment - people are basing this idea on a few thousand, maybe a few hundred in the yes camp which is what? 50% let's say of the registered electorate voting yes, that's half of 4,285,323. That's 2,142,661 people (rounded down). For your sake, we'll say 5,000 people are voting because they hate english people. 0.23% of the yes voters are anti-english. 0.23% this isn't anti england, it's just moving the government closer to the people. [editline]18th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=butt2089;46012078]63% of Scots voted no to AV in 2011 though[/QUOTE] the AV referendum was motivated by absolute bullshit tactics on the no side and a lack of education of what AV would actually do.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46012019]The same thing that happened when Quebec tried this in '95, 50.9% vote no, the politicians blame jews and immigrants (they literally did), and the separatism movement moves further and further into the fringes of society. The event is then taught briefly in history classes, and touched on a little more in politics and social studies classes.[/QUOTE] he said word for word '' By the money and the ethnic voting base'' he was on point, when you actually study statistically the referendum, that's the reality it portrays. he said that they should have made a point of being more inclusive to the newly immigrants in quebec. but you twist that all wrong. i'll blame the education you received on the matter. [QUOTE=Noth;46012065]Didn't they want to leave Canada, but keep the free health care?[/QUOTE] what is wrong with that ? as a new country it would've been able to levy its own taxes to fund a national health care program.

[QUOTE=Mechanical43;46012131]what is wrong with that ? as a new country it would've been able to levy its own taxes to fund a national health care program.[/QUOTE] The way other Canadians have told me, they still wanted Ottawa to pay for it

[QUOTE=butt2089;46012078]63% of Scots voted no to AV in 2011 though[/QUOTE] Hmm you are right, but scotland showed more support for it than nearly the rest of the entire UK. It is also worth considering the campaign itself. The format of the vote was criticised for favouring the no reform. AV was made out to be complicated and expensive, in some cases using misleading figures into making people think it was a waste of money in a time of austerity. A number of parties criticised the way it was to be implimented stating it was a compromise rather than genuine reform. The UK is also quite conservative in that it is easier to do nothing and bear it rather than take a risk for the chance of improving you lots. We can continue AV vs no AV in mass debate if you make a thread, its not worth off topicing here, but I think if people were properly informed of the benefits of AV with genuine information regarding cost and the actual process people would be more willing to adopt it, especially seeing the train wreck of a government the current system has produced for the UK. We have a choice between Cameron and Milliband, any other vote is thrown away or ends up making a labour or tory lead coalition.

[QUOTE=Noth;46012153]The way other Canadians have told me, they still wanted Ottawa to pay for it[/QUOTE] They wanted to make their own laws with more power than we give the provinces to do so now, but wanted to keep our army, currency, and healthcare system.

[QUOTE=Noth;46012153]The way other Canadians have told me, they still wanted Ottawa to pay for it[/QUOTE] holy shit i wouldn't have thought the story was that skewed for my canadian bretheren. how can anyone think it makes sense? everything we would've used would've been paid for. for a quick read on the subject [URL]http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/sovereignty-association/[/URL]

[QUOTE=JtRtheRiPPeR;46011601]Probably the only bad thing of this is that I'm going to need to adapt myself to a certain new political geography map. Not that I'm a student myself, but it might be quite confusing for me. Otherwise, godspeed to Scotland. I hope the same happens to Catalonia and the Basque Country someday if possible and hopefully to get rid of silly corrupt spaniard politicians. Because in Spain almost everything is getting out of hand.[/QUOTE] are you even aware that this topic its about scotland and not spain?

[QUOTE=Liquidrocks;46012237]are you even aware that this topic its about scotland and not spain?[/QUOTE] I guess when he said "god speed scotland" he meant in the next commonwealth games or something

Half the country gonna be so salty. [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-scotland.gif[/img]

How long until the results are in?

[QUOTE=Noth;46012293]How long until the results are in?[/QUOTE] First results expected at 2am National result declared at 7am. Just over 11 hours before anything happens.

The only reason i'm seeing the "No" enthusiasts put on the table here is the possibility of going bankrupt. I think y'all be underestimating the economic potential of a whole nation there [editline]18th September 2014[/editline] Bill Wallace would probably stick a claymore up your asses.

[QUOTE=Mechanical43;46012200]holy shit i wouldn't have thought the story was that skewed for my canadian bretheren. how can anyone think it makes sense? everything we would've used would've been paid for. for a quick read on the subject [URL]http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/sovereignty-association/[/URL][/QUOTE] It's easy to believe someone is trying to do something perceived as negative or detrimental to oneself when you're prejudiced against them, and there's a lot of hatred and prejudice towards separatists and separatism outside of Quebec.

Serious question: what's gonna happen to the flag if this goes through? I haven't heard a real answer to this yet.

[QUOTE=Explosions;46012511]Serious question: what's gonna happen to the flag if this goes through? I haven't heard a real answer to this yet.[/QUOTE] maybe they will change it so Wales actually gets included.

[QUOTE=Explosions;46012511]Serious question: what's gonna happen to the flag if this goes through? I haven't heard a real answer to this yet.[/QUOTE] Hopefully nothing. It doesn't need to change just because Scotland has left. It's like state flag of Hawaii, which still has the Union Flag in the corner.

[QUOTE=Explosions;46012511]Serious question: what's gonna happen to the flag if this goes through? I haven't heard a real answer to this yet.[/QUOTE] Nothing, theres been a few going round but chances are it won't change (It didn't change when ireland left)

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46012635]Nothing, theres been a few going round but chances are it won't change (It didn't change when ireland left)[/QUOTE] It didn't have to change when Ireland left because the St. Patrick's cross still stands for Northern Ireland. If Scotland leaves now, there will be a foreign flag randomly included on the UK's flag.

As a British person who lives in the United Kingdom, I'm voting no, because you can still be proud of Scotland and call yourself a Scottish while retaining all the benefits of living in the UK. The UK are all equal partners and Scotland has plenty of representation in parliament. People need to realise that we are living in one country.

Replace Scottish blue with Cornish black on the flag. Looks way more badass in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;46011966]I forsee a lot of English and Welsh students studying in Scotland if there is a yes vote, as Scotland will have to treat them as EU students and therefore provide them with free tuition (unlike at the moment where they have to pay fees).[/QUOTE] Good, Hopefully free education catches on. Basic and further education shouldn't be something only those who can afford it should get, its a right not a privilege.

[QUOTE=Roll_Program;46012666]As a British person who lives in the United Kingdom, I'm voting no, because you can still be a proud of Scotland and call yourself a Scottish while retaining all the benefits of living in the UK.[/QUOTE] More to it than pride...

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46012677]More to it than pride...[/QUOTE] Like what, rivalry?

[QUOTE=Roll_Program;46012688]Like what, rivalry?[/QUOTE] Like politics and economy. bro, do you even follow (the campaign)?

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46012696]Like politics and economy.] bro, do you even follow (the campaign)?[/QUOTE] I could say the same right back.

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;46012670]Replace Scottish blue with Cornish black on the flag. Looks way more badass in my opinion.[/QUOTE] [img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71533000/jpg/_71533812_350636.jpg[/img] Looks sinister. It's perfect.