ITS HAPPENING! Scotland begins to vote on Independence. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=alien_guy;46014937]So would today become our 4th July?[/QUOTE] No, today would be still the 18th of September, and fuck, did you edit that, or did I read that wrong.

[QUOTE=alien_guy;46014937]So would today become our 4th July?[/QUOTE] It would be the day the legal papers are signed making it official

March 16th will be our independence day if I recall correctly. 2016 being the first one.

Just got back from voting no at the polls. Suitably foggy weather for a day like this in Aberdeen, it almost looks like a scene from goddamn Braveheart.

No matter what the result is conservatism in the UK is going to become much more rampant.

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[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46014743]I can't imagine how fucked Spain is if this brings out more people wanting independence in Catalonia and it spreads throughout other separatist movements. [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Separatismos_na_Espanha.svg/300px-Separatismos_na_Espanha.svg.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Reconquista 2.0

The future is [url=http://www.futuretimeline.net/21stcentury/2014.htm#2014-scottish-referendum]already decided[/url]. The Internet told me so.

I really hope its Yes, otherwise I have to shave my head...

What would happen if the "Yes-side" wins? UK still has the last say right?

[QUOTE=Swebonny;46015315]What would happen if the "Yes" side wins? UK still has the last say right?[/QUOTE] Pretty sure they just have to deal with and sign off on it, it's the people's choice and shit. Democracy and all that.

I have Scottish family and "no" seems like the best option from what I know about this whole thing. 300 years... 300 years...

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;46014022]The two aren't as comparable as one would think. Canada is a federal state and the provinces have a much larger degree of fiscal and political autonomy than the countries of the UK, even after devolution is factored in.[/QUOTE] It always seemed to me that the countries of the UK had more autonomy than our provinces, and I know US States have a hell of a lot more autonomy than our provinces, because the province can't override or opt out of a federal law (both Alberta and Quebec have tried, gun laws for the former, language laws for the latter), nor does it have the authority to make a criminal law. Both of those traits are present at times, whether they're supposed to override federal law or not, in US States, and it always seemed like the parts of the UK had more autonomy than the provinces too.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46015388]It always seemed to me that the countries of the UK had more autonomy than our provinces, and I know US States have a hell of a lot more autonomy than our provinces, because the province can't override or opt out of a federal law (both Alberta and Quebec have tried, gun laws for the former, language laws for the latter), nor does it have the authority to make a criminal law. Both of those traits are present at times, whether they're supposed to override federal law or not, in US States, and it always seemed like the parts of the UK had more autonomy than the provinces too.[/QUOTE] Uk has quite a centralised gov system, we have some local governments but they dont really decide alot. Wales and Scotland have some extra power but its not really anything like what americans have between states. That said each state in US is larger than the UK so that power to self govern is a necessity.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;46015315]What would happen if the "Yes-side" wins? UK still has the last say right?[/QUOTE] Bye, bye, Scotland.

Damn,there's a chance that when I wake up tomorrow there's a new country :v:

[QUOTE=Zotobom;46015529]Damn,there's a chance that when I wake up tomorrow there's a new country :v:[/QUOTE] Technically not, since it won't be made independent for another year and a half. But yeah, a new country will be announced and enter alpha-testing to prevent the need for a day-one patch.

[QUOTE=Riller;46015553]Technically not, since it won't be made independent for another year and a half. But yeah, a new country will be announced and enter alpha-testing to prevent the need for a day-one patch.[/QUOTE] Will it be available as early access?

Well let's hope that if no wins the Politicians are gonna realize Scots are tired of their shit and give them more freedom or something.

[QUOTE=Riller;46015553]Technically not, since it won't be made independent for another year and a half. But yeah, a new country will be announced and enter alpha-testing to prevent the need for a day-one patch.[/QUOTE] I bet it still will need a day one patch.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;46015568]Will it be available as early access?[/QUOTE] No, but rumor has it that a Basque-DLC* is already in the works *Detaching Little Country

[QUOTE=proch;46015571]Well let's hope that if no wins the Politicians are gonna realize Scots are tired of their shit and give them more freedom or something.[/QUOTE] More than just the scots are tired of their shit. My dad is dead set against scottish independence but even he admits they have good grounds to leave to escape from the system we got going. I hope the scots get what they want. If its a no then I hope the entire UK experiences reforms and can benefit from this, I doubt it though, more likely half arsed compromises for the scots and the same old status quo for the rest of us.

Polls close in 30mins.. it's getting tense.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;46015315]What would happen if the "Yes-side" wins? UK still has the last say right?[/QUOTE] Yes, the UK government system still has the last say. The Queen has to grant Royal Assent to the bill giving Scottish independence, and she has it within her power to reject it - she would be destroying her own kingdom after all. However, the constitutional implications of the Monarch using this power would be incredibly dangerous, as it would raise the fear of the Monarchy abusing this power in the future. So historically, the Monarch has never denied a bill Royal Assent because of the constitutional crisis it would cause.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46015470]That said each state in US is larger than the UK so that power to self govern is a necessity.[/QUOTE] Not the case with Canada though, our provinces can raise their own taxes and have their own legislative assemblies and each province only really has between 2 - 15 million people each. Really no reason at all that Scotland and Wales shouldn't have a lot more power. It's unfair to england, but federation wouldn't work unless people were ready to have england be split up into separate provinces/states

you scots are welcome to celebrate breaking away from the brits with us anytime.

Danish news are saying No has more than most likely won. RIP freedom. [editline]18th September 2014[/editline] (Then again, Denmark is very no-friendly)

[QUOTE=Riller;46015750]Danish news are saying No has more than most likely won. RIP freedom. [editline]18th September 2014[/editline] (Then again, Denmark is very no-friendly)[/QUOTE] Do you guys have political pre-polls like we do for elections in the US? If they are polling majority no then it'll hold true.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;46015712]Not the case with Canada though, our provinces can raise their own taxes and have their own legislative assemblies and each province only really has between 2 - 15 million people each. Really no reason at all that Scotland and Wales shouldn't have a lot more power. It's unfair to england, but federation wouldn't work unless people were ready to have england be split up into separate provinces/states[/QUOTE] I agree everyone should have the right to self determination and self governance. If they're not happy with the current system everyone should have the opportunity to change it peacefully and without hindrance.

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;46015743]you scots are welcome to celebrate breaking away from the brits with us anytime.[/QUOTE] Britain is the island, you mean breaking away from the United Kingdom?