Batman Killer, EG That massive cunt, appears in Court. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=MajorMattem;36901885]They're considering the death penalty? I dont mean to sound too bloodthirsty, but unless this man has some kind of mental disorder that went unchecked, I think that's the right thing to do.[/QUOTE] It's a justice system, not a revenge or retribution system.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;36902093]It's a justice system, not a revenge or retribution system.[/QUOTE] Then I suppose it comes down to your definition of justice, does a man who murdered 12 people, and tried to kill 58 more deserve life? Is it justice to end his? Is it what he deserves? We'll see.

If he's got a mental disorder, then no, he's not entirely in control of his actions. If He had some how managed to kill 12 people and wound another 58 on accident, then also no. But this guy went there willingly, with the intent to kill. If he has no remorse the his actions, no sorrow over the loss of life he caused, then throwing him in prison so he can live with the consequences of his actions isn't going to do anything. When he killed those people, and that was his intent from the start, he voided what ever 'right to life' he had. Hes got the blood of 12 people on his hands, possibly more, does it look like he cares? Run him through the justice system, at the end of the day, if hes not mental, I'll bet you he will get the death penalty.

[QUOTE=EzioAuditore;36901992]Just so you know mods, he edited in the photo after they had quoted him.[/QUOTE] That's not how quotes work

[QUOTE=Clementine;36902112]Then I suppose it comes down to your definition of justice, does a man who murdered 12 people, and tried to kill 58 more deserve life? Is it justice to end his? Is it what he deserves? We'll see.[/QUOTE] how do you define deserving of life?

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;36902093]It's a justice system, not a revenge or retribution system.[/QUOTE] Exactly. We don't (well, we shouldn't) just kill people because they "deserve" it. That's murder. It's barbaric, and it's beneath us as a society. Every human being deserves a chance at redemption, and every human being has something to contribute. This man fucked up, and he seems to be clearly deranged. Give him the help he needs and let him contribute to society, somehow. More blood doesn't solve anything. Unless he is a clear and present threat to others, and is likely to kill again, he deserves a chance. We all do. However, if it's likely he will kill again, then to the gallows with him. His second chance is conditional that others get their first.

[QUOTE=MajorMattem;36901927]He just walked into a cinema, full of people excited and happy to see the new batman film, and started shooting at them. If he goes to jail, he will probably only get shived by a bunch of criminals anyway. Maybe i'm being too mean, but that's just what I think.[/QUOTE] He won't be housed in general population, no one will harm him.

So curious as to what made him change in these past 6 years.

Surprised he didn't commit suicide like every other cunt who does stuff like this

[QUOTE=whale;36901819]why is this scrub still alive[/QUOTE] Because he hasn't died yet

[QUOTE=MajorMattem;36902091]I'm just saying, I think that a man as dangerous and as merciless as that should be put to death for his crime.[/QUOTE] I ask again: [I]why?[/I] justice is almost entirely subjective, we shouldn't base our decision off of something as simple as a matter of opinion.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;36902166]He won't be housed in general population, no one will harm him.[/QUOTE] I didnt think of that. I think I agree with arachnidus. Sorry for being too naive.

I don't think they should kill him for the sake of revenge or whatever. They should kill him and give all his organs away so he can save several lives. I think that's the only way someone like this can give back to his country (unless he is insane of course, then he needs to be put away forever).

don't give him the death sentence, that's an easy exit, make him live the rest of his life in a 1m by 1m room, in the dark, hung upside down. And then give him daily beatings and whippings. Make him suffer, but not enough to kill him, but enough that he feels like each day is going to be his last. death sentence makes it too easy, murderers, rapists, pedophiles should have all their human rights forfeited.

[QUOTE=Aokaji;36902224]I don't think they should kill him for the sake of revenge or whatever. They should kill him and give all his organs away so he can save several lives. I think that's the only way someone like this can give back to his country (unless he is insane of course, then he needs to be put away forever).[/QUOTE] a government-run organ factory. lovely.

Also, I don't know why people would call for his execution. 23 hours of lockdown with virtually no human interaction for the rest of your life is a far far worse punishment than any easy out via lethal injection.

[QUOTE=geoface;36902236]don't give him the death sentence, that's an easy exit, make him live the rest of his life in a 1m by 1m room, in the dark, hung upside down. And then give him daily beatings and whippings. Make him suffer, but not enough to kill him, but enough that he feels like each day is going to be his last. death sentence makes it too easy, murderers, rapists, pedophiles should have all their human rights forfeited.[/QUOTE] this is how edgy you are right now [thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Regular_polygon_4.svg/600px-Regular_polygon_4.svg.png[/thumb]

[QUOTE=geoface;36902236]don't give him the death sentence, that's an easy exit, make him live the rest of his life in a 1m by 1m room, in the dark, hung upside down. And then give him daily beatings and whippings. Make him suffer, but not enough to kill him, but enough that he feels like each day is going to be his last. death sentence makes it too easy, murderers, rapists, pedophiles should have all their human rights forfeited.[/QUOTE] Torture's kinda inhumane.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;36902093]It's a justice system, not a revenge or retribution system.[/QUOTE] The justice system encompasses and actively practices all four justices: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retributive_justice]retributive[/url], [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procedural_justice]procedural[/url], [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restorative_justice]restorative[/url], and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributive_justice]distributive[/url].

I don't think anyone but the Judge has any right to say what this man's fate should be, be it death or prison. I mean, I have my own opinions on what should happen to that guy, but I'm no judge, I'm not going to get pissy if the Judge gives him a sentence I don't believe he deserves. But then again, if everyone subscribed to my school of thought, there'd be no debate. :v:

[QUOTE=Irespawnoften;36902126]If he's got a mental disorder, then no, he's not entirely in control of his actions. If He had some how managed to kill 28 people and wound another 58 on accident, then also no. But this guy went there willingly, with the intent to kill. If he has no remorse the his actions, no sorrow over the loss of life he caused, then throwing him in prison so he can live with the consequences of his actions isn't going to do anything. When he killed those people, and that was his intent from the start, he voided what ever 'right to life' he had. Hes got the blood of 28 people on his hands, possibly more, does it look like he cares? Run him through the justice system, at the end of the day, if hes not mental, I'll bet you he will get the death penalty.[/QUOTE] I like to imagine that I don't give a shit about the poor murderers and the poor rapists. I like to imagine that if I were in charge, I would look for the system that would reduce crime across the rest of the nation in the most efficient way, and I would implement it, whatever it may be. If it is a recovery-based system like Norway, so be it. [editline]23rd July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=The Mighty Boat;36901834]I wouldn't wish hell on anyone, my friend. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Quoting Spam" - Craptasket))[/highlight][/QUOTE] why'd this guy get banned? wtf? That was not a spam post he was responding to, it was completely valid, if misguided.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36902313]why'd this guy get banned? wtf? That was not a spam post he was responding to, it was completely valid, if misguided.[/QUOTE] After the guy quoted that post, the other guy edited some goatse into his own post.

[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;36902300]The justice system encompasses and actively practices all four justices: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retributive_justice]retributive[/url], [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procedural_justice]procedural[/url], [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restorative_justice]restorative[/url], and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributive_justice]distributive[/url].[/QUOTE] the system should focus on all of those in moderation. combine all of those and you get justice that all parties can benefit from - right about now it's looking less like justice, and more like retribution.

[QUOTE=geoface;36902236] death sentence makes it too easy, murderers, rapists, pedophiles should have all their human rights forfeited.[/QUOTE] You know the meaning of the word 'inalienable'?

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;36902146]Exactly. We don't (well, we shouldn't) just kill people because they "deserve" it. That's murder. It's barbaric, and it's beneath us as a society. Every human being deserves a chance at redemption, and every human being has something to contribute. This man fucked up, and he seems to be clearly deranged. Give him the help he needs and let him contribute to society, somehow. More blood doesn't solve anything. Unless he is a clear and present threat to others, and is likely to kill again, he deserves a chance. We all do. However, if it's likely he will kill again, then to the gallows with him. His second chance is conditional that others get their first.[/QUOTE] I can't agree with that when it's someone who murdered 12 and then attempted to murder over 50 other people. Sure, your common low life thief or gang member who beat someone up, or someone who robbed a store deserves a second shot at life, because all of those crimes are repairable to the society. But when you destroy the lives of 12 people and change their family irreparably, and then seriously jeopardize the continued happiness and peace of mind for 50+ others, possibly for the rest of their lives, I don't believe there is any reason for him to get any form of second chance, he gave up the right to that when he shot 12 people.

[QUOTE=geoface;36902236]don't give him the death sentence, that's an easy exit, make him live the rest of his life in a 1m by 1m room, in the dark, hung upside down. And then give him daily beatings and whippings. Make him suffer, but not enough to kill him, but enough that he feels like each day is going to be his last. death sentence makes it too easy, murderers, rapists, pedophiles should have all their human rights forfeited.[/QUOTE] Well you sound like a normal, sane and perfectly well adjusted and balanced human being.

It's really interesting how much society's perception of things like capital punishment has changed in last 5 or 10 years. I feel pretty confident that if this was posted on Facepunch in 2006, the general consensus would have been capital punishment.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;36902358]I can't agree with that when it's someone who murdered 12 and then attempted to murder over 50 other people. Sure, your common low life thief or gang member who beat someone up, or someone who robbed a store deserves a second shot at life, because all of those crimes are repairable to the society. But when you destroy the lives of 12 people and change their family irreparably, and then seriously jeopardize the continued happiness and peace of mind for 50+ others, possibly for the rest of their lives, I don't believe there is any reason for him to get any form of second chance, he gave up the right to that when he shot 12 people.[/QUOTE] what do you give back to humanity by killing the guy? it's not about giving him a second chance, it's about learning from the origins of his motives and changing your society for the better.

All my life I tried to be very liberal and look at all the options. One I can't wrap my mind around is justice vs. rehabilitation. I understand if someone is mentally incapable of deciding whether or not to do this but with someone so intelligent, I can't help but want justice, and justice in a way is punishment, not revenge. I guess I'm part of that crowd that wants blame, but if you're so liberal to say its not his fault for thinking that way and killing him then its not my fault for thinking my way and wanting him punished severely.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;36902358]I can't agree with that when it's someone who murdered 12 and then attempted to murder over 50 other people. Sure, your common low life thief or gang member who beat someone up, or someone who robbed a store deserves a second shot at life, because all of those crimes are repairable to the society. But when you destroy the lives of 12 people and change their family irreparably, and then seriously jeopardize the continued happiness and peace of mind for 50+ others, possibly for the rest of their lives, I don't believe there is any reason for him to get any form of second chance, he gave up the right to that when he shot 12 people.[/QUOTE] I wasn't aware that murder could make people feel better so long as it was backed by the government, coolio