Batman Killer, EG That massive cunt, appears in Court. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Bobie;36902388]what do you give back to humanity by killing the guy? it's not about giving him a second chance, it's about learning from the origins of his motives and changing your society for the better.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Cone;36902401]I wasn't aware that murder could make people feel better so long as it was backed by the government, coolio[/QUOTE] I don't want the guy dead, he's not a threat to anyone else in prison. I just don't want him out and about again. The post I quoted seemed like it wanted him to have another shot at a normal life unless I read i wrong, which I don't think is safe or deserved for him. And yes, I'd rather us figure out why he did it so we can prevent it in the future.

[QUOTE=Bobie;36902142]how do you define deserving of life?[/QUOTE] By whether you give more good than terrible agony and grief.

[QUOTE=geoface;36902236]death sentence makes it too easy, murderers, rapists, pedophiles should have all their human rights forfeited.[/QUOTE] These types of posts are literally the worst kind I ever read. Trolls, shock images, spam, I don't really care about those. But whenever I see a post about removing inalienable human rights, it's physically exhausting to read.

[QUOTE=Cone;36902272]this is how edgy you are right now [thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Regular_polygon_4.svg/600px-Regular_polygon_4.svg.png[/thumb][/QUOTE] not nearly enough edges

[QUOTE=Irespawnoften;36902126]If he's got a mental disorder, then no, he's not entirely in control of his actions. If He had some how managed to kill 28 people and wound another 58 on accident, then also no. But this guy went there willingly, with the intent to kill. If he has no remorse the his actions, no sorrow over the loss of life he caused, then throwing him in prison so he can live with the consequences of his actions isn't going to do anything. When he killed those people, and that was his intent from the start, he voided what ever 'right to life' he had. Hes got the blood of 28 people on his hands, possibly more, does it look like he cares? Run him through the justice system, at the end of the day, if hes not mental, I'll bet you he will get the death penalty.[/QUOTE] You do not punish someone who does something like this in complete sanity when you "just" kill him. Getting death penalty or shot by the police is kind of what he expected. Basically you are playing his game when you give him capital.

[QUOTE=geoface;36902236]don't give him the death sentence, that's an easy exit, make him live the rest of his life in a 1m by 1m room, in the dark, hung upside down. And then give him daily beatings and whippings. Make him suffer, but not enough to kill him, but enough that he feels like each day is going to be his last. death sentence makes it too easy, murderers, rapists, pedophiles should have all their human rights forfeited.[/QUOTE] Can you not tell us your weird sadism masturbatory stories thanks.

I want to understand his motives for killing.

[QUOTE=Clementine;36902491]By whether you give more good than terrible agony and grief.[/QUOTE] then by that logic, a fair few million people on this planet are deserving of death. there are people who cause far more agony and grief on this planet than people such as this. is your solution to all agony and grief, unprecedented slaughter

[QUOTE=Montroze;36902392]All my life I tried to be very liberal and look at all the options. One I can't wrap my mind around is justice vs. rehabilitation. I understand if someone is mentally incapable of deciding whether or not to do this but with someone so intelligent, I can't help but want justice, and justice in a way is punishment, not revenge. I guess I'm part of that crowd that wants blame, but if you're so liberal to say its not his fault for thinking that way and killing him then its not my fault for thinking my way and wanting him punished severely.[/QUOTE] It is entirely his fault if he is not insane. Your way of thinking justifies exactly what he did and that's why we and the justice system does NOT think like you do.

[QUOTE=Killuah;36902597]It is entirely his fault if he is not insane. Your way of thinking justifies exactly what he did and that's why we and the justice system does NOT think like you do.[/QUOTE] why do you think it is entirely his fault? do you believe that he just one day decided to kill 12 people?

Someone like this has no contribution to society and letting our taxes pay to keep someone like this alive, in a way to me, that feels like you're supporting the life of a killer. I see no wrong in capital punishment.

[QUOTE=MajorMattem;36901885]They're considering the death penalty? I dont mean to sound too bloodthirsty, but unless this man has some kind of mental disorder that went unchecked, I think that's the right thing to do.[/QUOTE] You're fucking with me, right? You're devaluing a human life to your own standards, which is [i]exactly[/i] what this guy did, the only difference being that he acted on it. You're no better than him.

[QUOTE=Killuah;36902557]You do not punish someone who does something like this in complete sanity when you "just" kill him. Getting death penalty or shot by the police is kind of what he expected. Basically you are playing his game when you give him capital.[/QUOTE] It doesn't mater what he 'expected', if the system says he dies, he dies. What would you suggest? Rehabilitation? Right, because putting him back out into a world where so many people want him dead accomplishes what...? You could lock him in prison, which is a great idea until you realize he doesn't care that he shot and killed 12 innocent people, so the supposed punishment is null. Like I said, in the event that he isn't mental, he's probably going to die. And I miss read the article, 12 dead, not 28. Fact still stands though.

[QUOTE=geoface;36902236]don't give him the death sentence, that's an easy exit, make him live the rest of his life in a 1m by 1m room, in the dark, hung upside down. And then give him daily beatings and whippings. Make him suffer, but not enough to kill him, but enough that he feels like each day is going to be his last. death sentence makes it too easy, murderers, rapists, pedophiles should have all their human rights forfeited.[/QUOTE] You're even worse, that's just plain sociopathic right there.

[QUOTE=Bobie;36902622]why do you think it is entirely his fault? do you believe that he just one day decided to kill 12 people?[/QUOTE] No I think it's a long process of growing up and forming a certain mindset that is far too complicated for anyone to understand. However the one thing we do understand is that humans make decisions and in this case a lot of decisions in his life that lead to his final. Also he decided to kill as many as possible, the 12 is what he did in the end.

[QUOTE=Dori;36902550]not nearly enough edges[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.tiffany.com/shared/images/diamond/photo/glossary_brilliant.jpg[/img] [editline]23rd July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ForgottenKane;36902655]You're fucking with me, right? You're devaluing a human life to your own standards, which is [i]exactly[/i] what this guy did, the only difference being that he acted on it. You're no better than him.[/QUOTE] "you're as bad as a murderer of 12" is a bit of a stretch

I don't get how people are saying he should get the death penalty if he is sane. Murdering 12 people in cold blood doesn't sound like anything a sane person would do.

[QUOTE=Killuah;36902671]No I think it's a long process of growing up and forming a certain mindset that is far too complicated for anyone to understand. However the one thing we do understand is that humans make decisions and in this case a lot of decisions in his life that lead to his final. Also he decided to kill as many as possible, the 12 is what he did in the end.[/QUOTE] he did not make it with a clear mindset such as your own. he has likely (if he is not clinically insane) experienced things far worse than you could possibly imagine. the human brain is a terribly frail and fragile thing; and incredibly easily influenced. if he were the victim of child abuse, rape etc it is no wonder he does not view the world in a logical standpoint.

[QUOTE=Irespawnoften;36902661]It doesn't mater what he 'expected', if the system says he dies, he dies. What would you suggest? Rehabilitation? Right, because putting him back out into a world where so many people want him dead accomplishes what...? You could lock him in prison, which is a great idea until you realize he doesn't care that he shot and killed 12 innocent people, so the supposed punishment is null. Like I said, in the event that he isn't mental, he's probably going to die. And I miss read the article, 12 dead, not 28. Fact still stands though.[/QUOTE] Whether or not he cares is not relevant. Lifelong prison after a fair trial is the maximum form of punishment a society can agree upon without using the same means it punishes someone for.

[QUOTE=Cone;36902335]the system should focus on all of those in moderation. combine all of those and you get justice that all parties can benefit from -[/quote] Which is exactly what it's designed to do. [QUOTE=Cone;36902335]right about now it's looking less like justice, and more like retribution.[/QUOTE] What do you mean by this exactly? Because from what I've seen, the justice system is working as it's been designed to. Charges have been brought against him, he's currently be detained... now really all that's left to do is wait and see how events unfold.

[QUOTE=geoface;36902236]don't give him the death sentence, that's an easy exit, make him live the rest of his life in a 1m by 1m room, in the dark, hung upside down. And then give him daily beatings and whippings. Make him suffer, but not enough to kill him, but enough that he feels like each day is going to be his last. death sentence makes it too easy, murderers, rapists, pedophiles should have all their human rights forfeited.[/QUOTE] You're a fucking psycho

[QUOTE=Leff Shoo;36902710]I don't get how people are saying he should get the death penalty if he is sane. Murdering 12 people in cold blood doesn't sound like anything a sane person would do.[/QUOTE] I can't help but feel that some definitions of insanity must revolve around cases like these.

[QUOTE=Killuah;36902718]Whether or not he cares is not relevant.[/QUOTE] Yes it is, that's how punishment works. Punishment is designed to hurt, so you don't do it again. If the person being punished dosn't care, then punishing them is a waste of time. The only way I (not that my opinion maters) would be fine with him being locked up is if it was solitary confinement for the rest of his life. But then you have to ask, is really better than death?

[QUOTE=Bobie;36902716]he did not make it with a clear mindset such as your own. he has likely (if he is not clinically insane) experienced things far worse than you could possibly imagine. the human brain is a terribly frail and fragile thing; and incredibly easily influenced. if he were the victim of child abuse, rape etc it is no wonder he does not view the world in a logical standpoint.[/QUOTE] 1. We don't know what he thought and never properly will 2. Following what you posted everyone subject to crime or bad circumstances can not be blamed for what he does. Congradulations you just striped the human race off its free will. If you base your interactions with other people on the basis that everyones actions are a result of what they are subjected to, how do YOU decide what you are doing?

[QUOTE=evilweazel;36902459]I don't want the guy dead, he's not a threat to anyone else in prison. I just don't want him out and about again. The post I quoted seemed like it wanted him to have another shot at a normal life unless I read i wrong, which I don't think is safe or deserved for him. And yes, I'd rather us figure out why he did it so we can prevent it in the future.[/QUOTE] I did mean he deserves a chance at a normal life- after rehabilitation, and with a lot of stipulations. We have to be safe, but that doesn't mean the guy needs to lose his entire existence. Problem with the American justice system is that we punish, we don't heal. We can't treat murderers and rapists and thieves like children, punishment doesn't always work as a deterrent and definitely doesn't help once the person has committed the act. We get nothing out of it except a tax deficit and a society that treats people as subhuman.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36902685][img]http://www.tiffany.com/shared/images/diamond/photo/glossary_brilliant.jpg[/img] [editline]23rd July 2012[/editline] "you're as bad as a murderer of 12" is a bit of a stretch[/QUOTE] The difference between a guy who killed people and a guy who wants to kill people. Yes, let's be lenient on the guy who wants to simple because he hasn't yet. The whole mentality that it's okay to say 'this guy deserves death' creates fuckers that do things like this in the first place. This guy is possibly perfectly sane, because in our society we say it's okay for others to die if they don't conform to our standards. Christ, you shouldn't condone the death of ANYONE, you shouldn't have the fucking right to decide the life of another person. [editline]23rd July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Elecbullet;36902757]I can't help but feel that some definitions of insanity must revolve around cases like these.[/QUOTE] The definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result each time.

[QUOTE=geoface;36902236]don't give him the death sentence, that's an easy exit, make him live the rest of his life in a 1m by 1m room, in the dark, hung upside down. And then give him daily beatings and whippings. Make him suffer, but not enough to kill him, but enough that he feels like each day is going to be his last. death sentence makes it too easy, murderers, rapists, pedophiles should have all their human rights forfeited.[/QUOTE] Yeah let's just spend massive amounts of tax dollars on a system of barbaric torture that is no doubt going to be extremely costly in terms of the appeals process just so we can fulfill your massive fetish for criminal torture. Actually no lets not.

[QUOTE=Killuah;36902823]1. We don't know what he thought and never properly will 2. Following what you posted everyone subject to crime or bad circumstances can not be blamed for what he does. Congradulations you just striped the human race off its free will. If you base your interactions with other people on the basis that everyones actions are a result of what they are subjected to, how do YOU decide what you are doing?[/QUOTE] you understand that most psychologists no longer believe in the notion of free will. your decisions are based off of the information you store in your brain and the conditioning of your environment that accompanies it. you will always make the same decision placed in exactly the same situation twice. if you do not believe in conditioning, then you believe that this man was somehow born with the ability to kill 12 people. in that case, by definition, he is insane. either way, he has not [i]chosen[/i] to kill these people, they have been the result of several terrifyingly strange behavioural instances. with 'blame' anyway, what does it do? right. you locked him away/killed him. what now? what benefit is received from that?

[QUOTE=Irespawnoften;36902807]Yes it is, that's how punishment works.The only way I (not that my opinion maters) would be fine with him being locked up is if it was solitary confinement for the rest of his life. But then you have to ask, is really better than death?[/QUOTE] Please don't take that out of context. I was saying it is not relevant in the context of that it can not matter if he does or not in the face of capital punishment because "it's the only way he can see any consequences" is not a reason to kill anyone ever because that would be exactly the mindset of a murderer aka "There is no other way so I do it" when in reality there is a different way (e.g. "not doing it") that just doesn't fit in your system of right or wrong. Of course the same argument applies to my the very argument itself but in your case a human being gets killed, in my case it doesn't and that's all there really is to it.

[QUOTE=geoface;36902236]don't give him the death sentence, that's an easy exit, make him live the rest of his life in a 1m by 1m room, in the dark, hung upside down. And then give him daily beatings and whippings. Make him suffer, but not enough to kill him, but enough that he feels like each day is going to be his last. death sentence makes it too easy, murderers, rapists, pedophiles should have all their human rights forfeited.[/QUOTE] "Human rights forfeited" is an oxymoron. You're entitled to rights, no matter what the scenario, hence the term "rights." And to those few people saying "He's going to get shanked in jail, anyway." Gee, I wonder why Because jail is already such a shitty place, because it's treated as punishment, not solving the problem.