Batman Killer, EG That massive cunt, appears in Court. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Killuah;36902910]Please don't take that out of context. I was saying it is not relevant in the context of that it can not matter if he does or not in the face of capital punishment because "it's the only way he can see any consequences" is not a reason to kill anyone ever because that would be exactly the mindset of a murderer aka "There is no other way so I do it" when in reality there is a different way (e.g. "not doing it") that just doesn't fit in your system of right or wrong. Of course the same argument applies to my the very argument itself but in your case a human being gets killed, in my case it doesn't and that's all there really is to it.[/QUOTE] Fair enough.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;36902830] The definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result each time.[/QUOTE] Kind of like how many times this is repeated even though it's wrong.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;36902830]The definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result each time.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. That's just a saying, are you really that dense?

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;36902986]Kind of like how many times this is repeated even though it's wrong.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, I work with English professors at a university and that's exactly what they say it means. Are you telling me they're wrong?

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;36903011]I'm sorry, I work with English professors at a university and that's exactly what they say it means. Are you telling me they're wrong?[/QUOTE] Just because Benjamin Franklin made this quote doesn't mean it's true. It was more of a saying really. It wasn't literally a definition.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;36903011]I'm sorry, I work with English professors at a university and that's exactly what they say it means. Are you telling me they're wrong?[/QUOTE] in·san·i·ty /inˈsanitē/ Noun: The state of being seriously mentally ill; madness. Extreme foolishness or irrationality. Yes. [QUOTE=Boxbot219;36903039]Just because Benjamin Franklin made this quote doesn't mean it's true.[/QUOTE] Einstein (probably...maybe)

[QUOTE=Bobie;36902873]you understand that most psychologists no longer believe in the notion of free will. your decisions are based off of the information you store in your brain and the conditioning of your environment that accompanies it. you will always make the same decision placed in exactly the same situation twice. if you do not believe in conditioning, then you believe that this man was somehow born with the ability to kill 12 people. in that case, by definition, he is insane. either way, he has not [i]chosen[/i] to kill these people, they have been the result of several terrifyingly strange behavioural instances. with 'blame' anyway, what does it do? right. you locked him away/killed him. what now? what benefit is received from that?[/QUOTE] Something like "exactly the same situation" does not exist in the boundaries of human cognition. Please show me your definition of insane( and if it applies(which i doubt), someone sold an insane person a lot of weapons, congradulations(unless you are saying he got insane in the very moment he killed them but then how can we judge anyone anyway and what point would there be to gunlaws because anyone somehow is sane up to a certain action by which you seem to define "insae")) and yes of course every human is born with the capability of killing 1, 3, 12 , millions of people. And of course he is to blame for what he did just like a cloud is to blame for the rain it drops, blame does not have any negative or positive aspect, it's merely a connection of cause and effect. Furthermore you are using the word "believe" a tad to often for my taste and if you are asking me "you locked him away/killed him. what now? what benefit is received from that?" you are asking me for the sense of the justice system in general and I couldn't answer you that one properly without writing a book. All I'm saying is that the basic idea of our society is "you do no wrong or else....." and we have to resort to some kind of force. Following my thoughts, the highest form of that would be lifelong because that is the last point before becoming what you punish for. Anyway are you trying to make a point here(if so please tell your thesis) or just arguing against me for the sake of it?

[QUOTE=Irespawnoften;36903046] Einstein[/QUOTE] I always get that wrong since it was misattributed to him (and others), Of course Einstein was probably also misattributed to that quote as well.

[QUOTE=Killuah;36903072]Something like "exactly the same situation" does not exist in the boundaries of human cognition. Please show me your definition of insane( and if it applies(which i doubt), someone sold an insane person a lot of weapons, congradulations(unless you are saying he got insane in the very moment he killed them but then how can we judge anyone anyway and what point would there be to gunlaws because anyone somehow is sane up to a certain action by which you seem to define "insae")) and yes of course every human is born with the capability of killing 1, 3, 12 , millions of people. And of course he is to blame for what he did just like a cloud is to blame for the rain it drops, blame does not have any negative or positive aspect, it's merely a connection of cause and effect. Furthermore you are using the word "believe" a tad to often for my taste and if you are asking me "you locked him away/killed him. what now? what benefit is received from that?" you are asking me for the sense of the justice system in general and I couldn't answer you that one properly without writing a book. All I'm saying is that the basic idea of our society is "you do no wrong or else....." and we have to resort to some kind of force. Following my thoughts, the highest form of that would be lifelong because that is the last point before becoming what you punish for. Anyway are you trying to make a point here(if so please tell your thesis) or just arguing against me for the sake of it?[/QUOTE] my point is that he is not at fault. the fault is at the very roots of his psychological condition. punishing is a very useless thing, and gets the human race nowhere.

[QUOTE=geoface;36902236]don't give him the death sentence, that's an easy exit, make him live the rest of his life in a 1m by 1m room, in the dark, hung upside down. And then give him daily beatings and whippings. Make him suffer, but not enough to kill him, but enough that he feels like each day is going to be his last. death sentence makes it too easy, murderers, rapists, pedophiles should have all their human rights forfeited.[/QUOTE] You really should get your mind checked out. I have a pretty strong feeling that a few of your cogs might be jammed or misaligned as that was truly a psychopathic thing to advocate.

[QUOTE=Bobie;36903174]my point is that he is not at fault. the fault is at the very roots of his psychological condition. punishing is a very useless thing, and gets the human race nowhere.[/QUOTE] It's use is the discouragement of others, of course it does nothing for the criminal or his victims. It's societies way of creating consequences for actions that harm society but not the acting individual itself. I don't like it but there is no way around it unless you create a race of superhumans that will never even think about harming others for their own good.

I'm just surprised they got him in a court so fast.

I'm sorry but, I don't understand the argument against capital punishment here. Sure the guy may be mentally unstable or something but, what's the difference between killing someone and imprisoning them for life. The key points of prison are to keep people like this away from society so they can't do harm, and to rehabilitate them. With a life sentence, there is no chance for rehabilitation, giving him a death sentence means that money doesn't have to be wasted keeping him alive to live a life in a cold cell.

[QUOTE=Pig;36903520]I'm sorry but, I don't understand the argument against capital punishment here. Sure the guy may be mentally unstable or something but, what's the difference between killing someone and imprisoning them for life. The key points of prison are to keep people like this away from society so they can't do harm, and to rehabilitate them. With a life sentence, there is no chance for rehabilitation, giving him a death sentence means that money doesn't have to be wasted keeping him alive to live a life in a cold cell.[/QUOTE] It costs more to put someone to death than give them a life sentence.

[QUOTE=Killuah;36903400]It's use is the discouragement of others, of course it does nothing for the criminal or his victims. It's societies way of creating consequences for actions that harm society but not the acting individual itself. I don't like it but there is no way around it unless you create a race of superhumans that will never even think about harming others for their own good.[/QUOTE] or if you provide a society which is more appealing for those who do good. there are plenty of good people that get flung into shit; that's how criminals are born. i'm not suggesting getting rid of all crime, because that is utopian and quite frankly impossible, but you can reduce crime to an absolute minimum by providing the care and safety people need to survive without resorting to such things.

If we're going for the "he deserves to die because he killed... " argument, the only way you could possibly even come close to doing it "justice" is to let him be completely free and informing him that at some point in his life, he's going to be senselessly gunned down. Giving him a painless injection doesn't seem like justice OR punishment to me. I think death would actually be him getting off pretty lightly. I think he should be locked behind bars for the rest of his days to rot and think about what he's done. I want this guy to live until he's 90 years old, and to every day... be reminded of what a horrendous person he really is. This is my main gripe with capital punishment. Death is really nothing, people like this clearly have no regard for life... it's relatively safe to assume that includes them self.

[QUOTE=MightyMax;36903417]I'm just surprised they got him in a court so fast.[/QUOTE] You get arranged usually the next day depending on how a state's court system works. In Indiana for example the days are Mon, Wed, Fri. Like the article says, he won't be charged until next week which is pretty fuckin quick. It's safe to say that the nature of his crime and the attention it has received is the reason he's been tried so briefly. Some people end up spending months sitting in jail waiting for court.

Hey um guys having a mental disorder doesn't disqualify you from being responsible from your actions. Unless you're manic, schizophrenic, psychotic or mentally retarded.

[QUOTE=Bobie;36903751]or if you provide a society which is more appealing for those who do good. there are plenty of good people that get flung into shit; that's how criminals are born. i'm not suggesting getting rid of all crime, because that is utopian and quite frankly impossible, but you can reduce crime to an absolute minimum by providing the care and safety people need to survive without resorting to such things.[/QUOTE] You are basically saying "and then some magic happens"

[QUOTE=Killuah;36904224]You are basically saying "and then some magic happens"[/QUOTE] erm what? do you even understand what i'm saying?

I love how most of you seem to be extremely liberal (is that the right word? I'm not american) and humane regarding capital punishment, but I can pretty much guarantee that if someone close to you was taken away by this man your thoughts very different. I have had a similar experience where one of my loved ones suffered severe mental and physical damage by another person who has shown no signs of regret. And while some of you may call me barbaric or even sociopathic, I would wholeheartedly agree to any form of torture and death to be inflicted upon him.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;36904173]Hey um guys having a mental disorder doesn't disqualify you from being responsible from your actions. Unless you're manic, schizophrenic, psychotic or mentally retarded.[/QUOTE] And even then if you are a danger to society then you need to be taken care of in order to ensure the safety of those who surround you. If he gets capital punishment it'll probably serve as a public hanging, a warning to those who would want to do such things in the future - not that it would be effective nor the most intelligent thing to do of course.

Colorado still has the death penalty. Gooooooo Justice!

[QUOTE=TheTalon;36904677]Colorado still has the death penalty. Gooooooo Justice![/QUOTE] Unless they move him to the front of the line he could easily sit for 15+ years on death row waiting to die, which is still a fitting punishment.

[QUOTE=D33f;36904649]I love how most of you seem to be extremely liberal (is that the right word? I'm not american) and humane regarding capital punishment, but I can pretty much guarantee that if someone close to you was taken away by this man your thoughts very different. I have had a similar experience where one of my loved ones suffered severe mental and physical damage by another person who has shown no signs of regret. And while some of you may call me barbaric or even sociopathic, I would wholeheartedly agree to any form of torture and death to be inflicted upon him.[/QUOTE] I like how you practically use the word liberal as an insult.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36904916]I like how you practically use the word liberal as an insult.[/QUOTE] No, once again I am not american and liberal seems to have an entirely different meaning there than it does in my country. I know the word has a negative tone for some people but I'm not trying to make it sound like an insult. I'm simply saying that if for example your mother (or perhaps in your case: the author of your favourite freaky hentai series :v: ) was killed and the killer showed, you PROBABLY wouldn't be advocating such a humane justice system.

Make him spend the rest of his life doing something productive, while the money he earns goes to paying those affected by the massacre.

[QUOTE=D33f;36904649]I would wholeheartedly agree to any form of torture and death to be inflicted upon him.[/QUOTE] Neat, you agree that an extremely costly barbaric system of revenge that serves no purpose be inserted into a system of justice all so you can satisfy your revenge fantasies. So what about the innocent people who have ended up being wrongfully executed? Because a system like this has to be run by humans, and humans make mistakes every now and then. What are you going to tell an innocent who ends up caught in your system of torture if he is to ever be exonerated? "Sorry about all that torture but we NEED this system because it makes me feel better."

[QUOTE=Xion12;36905067]Make him spend the rest of his life doing something productive, while the money he earns goes to paying those affected by the massacre.[/QUOTE] The justice system doesn't provide such specific punishments.

[QUOTE=Rhenae;36903591]It costs more to put someone to death than give them a life sentence.[/QUOTE] Only because of appeals.