The Free-Time Paradox in America: How Having Leisure Time Shifted from the Rich to the Poor
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[QUOTE=dai;51083633]walmart (and other big box retail and base-line fast food) aren't skilled labor you go to college for and seek out unless you're a manager, and they're always hiring because they're always firing (when employees aren't quitting to move up somewhere else). Why raise somebody's wages as they become more valuable and start making demands, when they have a constant influx of people begging to be paid the bare minimum in their place
walmart as an employer serves a purpose and does a good job at bolstering small economies with hundreds of jobs (to be fair, while destroying similar small businesses in the process) but it should never be considered 'lucky' that they and similar mass hire businesses respond to an application compared to jobs you've sunk time and effort and money into training for[/QUOTE]
Very true, I guess I was misunderstanding.
[QUOTE=Sableye;51084731]gj for you, but i'm actually trying to start a career not a long chain of hairnets and nametags[/QUOTE]
I see, but still you gotta start somewhere.
[QUOTE=Sableye;51084731]gj for you, but i'm actually trying to start a career not a long chain of hairnets and nametags[/QUOTE]
gj for you, but I've already actually got a great career.
see how condescending this sort of comment can be.
[QUOTE=_Axel;51088938]You seriously believe that companies will suddenly stop avoiding taxes if we lowered them? They are profit making machines, why would they go from paying next to nothing to 20%? Beyond a certain size the amount of money required to evade taxes is peanuts compared to yearly profits, there's just no way you'll get large corporations to cooperate out of the goodness of their heart.
What you need is to close all the loopholes they are using to avoid paying for the services the public provides them, but that will never happen when those who are supposed to represent the people serve these companies' interests.[/QUOTE]
Correction: That will never happen until we either end the mobility of capital, destroying our economic growth, or unite under one world government and destroy countries (which, by the way, are not just rogue mini islands like Turks and Caicos and the Bahamas, but also the Netherlands and Ireland, and the state of Vermont, among others) which undercut corporation tax
Alternatively, we could abolish it because it's a shit tax that has enormous incentives for avoidance, disproportionately harms small companies that can't dodge it, and is entirely passed on in the form of lower wages and decreased investment
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51090888]Correction: That will never happen until we either end the mobility of capital, destroying our economic growth, or unite under one world government and destroy countries (which, by the way, are not just rogue mini islands like Turks and Caicos and the Bahamas, but also the Netherlands and Ireland, and the state of Vermont, among others) which undercut corporation tax[/QUOTE]
Well that's the point of institutions like the EU. By holding every members to certain standards you could pass on legislation that limits tax evasion routes. If such a thing was to be enforced within the EU, multinationals would be forced to abide by these rules if they plan to access the European market.
[QUOTE]Alternatively, we could abolish it because it's a shit tax that has enormous incentives for avoidance, disproportionately harms small companies that can't dodge it, and is entirely passed on in the form of lower wages and decreased investment[/QUOTE]
Hahaha so you're basically saying countries shouldn't hold companies to the same standard as their own citizens? Why should companies who make extensive use of the services and infrastructures in place in the country be exempt from contributing to their maintenance while the public has to bear the brunt of the costs? They should have to pay the fucking rent like everyone else.
Also, stop pretending that deregulation would end up benefiting the general population, that's trickle down economy bullshit and you know it.
Companies are legal fictions and are made up of individuals. Tax the individuals instead.
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Additionally, tax land used by them as well
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51091057]Companies are legal fictions and are made up of individuals. Tax the individuals instead.[/QUOTE]
The assets that make use of the infrastructure aren't owned by individuals. They're owned by the company which generates profit from those assets thanks to the use of public services and infrastructure. The company should pay accordingly.
If a goods transport company has thousands of trucks which make use of public roads everyday, the company should pay for this use.
[QUOTE=Sableye;51082643]"thank heavens we don't pay them enough to have freedom from pressing economic cares."
as someone who's trying to find entry level work after graduating college, the way people find jobs today is utter garbage. its more often than not, who you know or your family knows than what you know that gets you into a job, and the gatekeepers at HR don't have a fucking clue what they're looking for anymore so they set the bar so fucking high that they exclude many of the best potential employees, instead trying to find unicorns to work jobs they would never even want to
you can put out hundreds of applications, in fact thats what you're supposed to do, but you'll never hear back from 90% of them, and maybe 1% of them will actually take the time to call you or write to you.
we have a skilled labor shortage in this country, but we're unwilling to hire anybody without every single qualification, who wasn't captain of at least 3 clubs in school, is published, and got a 4.0 in college.[/QUOTE]
This is why it makes me laugh when people criticize programs like Affirmative Action because they say people should only be chosen by 'qualifications'. It's never been that way and never will be. Most positions get filled before people looking for work ever know there was an opening.
I'm sorry no one told you, but yes you need to network. It's important that people you know, preferably people in position to help, know what you do and when you're looking for work. If you don't have such a network, start building one. You're going to need it going forward anyways so you might as well start now.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51091057]Companies are legal fictions and are made up of individuals. Tax the individuals instead.
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Additionally, tax land used by them as well[/QUOTE]
so pass all taxes off to individuals? Individuals are already taxed on their property, so now you want them taxed on their work property too? You want pay roll tax passed off to employees?
I'm just genuinely concerned that removing all taxation from companies and putting it on people is not the solution you pitch it as.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51091552]so pass all taxes off to individuals? Individuals are already taxed on their property, so now you want them taxed on their work property too? You want pay roll tax passed off to employees?
I'm just genuinely concerned that removing all taxation from companies and putting it on people is not the solution you pitch it as.[/QUOTE]
This is already a thing. Who said the tax would be passed on to employees? It would be passed on to shareholders through a full tax on dividends. That's what we do here, however as we also have a company tax, the company tax has to be 100% offset through a dividend imputation system (what we call franking credits). Company taxes have historically existed only because it was easier to tax thousands of incorporated entities than it was to tax millions of individuals.
There are of course legitimate reasons for not fully replacing company tax, eg companies don't always declare dividends even when they're making large profits, but it's not as far-fetched of an idea as you would think.
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[QUOTE=_Axel;51091084]The assets that make use of the infrastructure aren't owned by individuals. They're owned by the company which generates profit from those assets thanks to the use of public services and infrastructure. The company should pay accordingly.
If a goods transport company has thousands of trucks which make use of public roads everyday, the company should pay for this use.[/QUOTE]
The company is, directly or indirectly, owned by individuals. His idea is to just tax the owners of the company rather than the company itself, which is effectively what we already do in Australia.
[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;51088413]God what a nightmarish and spiritually/culturally/emotionally bankrupt existence that must be[/QUOTE]
Literally. It's like meeting a charismatic preacher, but they do the money dance. The money dance is an actual thing my first boss did, when projected labor and cost of goods got under a certain percentage, because he could literally see the pure profit rolling in and he would do this fidget thing while grinning like a puimpkin on halloween. Unnerving as shit. He worked 6am-8pm every day, when I went back by here a little while back he was still there, and he will literally be doing it until he dies because he doesn't know how to do anything else, and he's too old to properly learn something new.
Capitalism Lich.
[QUOTE=sb27;51092637]The company is, directly or indirectly, owned by individuals. His idea is to just tax the owners of the company rather than the company itself, which is effectively what we already do in Australia.[/QUOTE]
Dividends are a small portion of a company's overall profits. If you tax those at the same rate you would the average citizen you're giving companies an unfair advantage because the large majority of profits are left untaxed, unless you raise the tax rates for dividends so that the effective ratio of amount of money taxed/total company profits is proportional to what a citizen would pay based on his income.
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51082631]When there's no strong causal link between effort and reward, people stop putting in effort beyond the bare minimum to live.[/QUOTE]
Sounds right. I got almost 7 hours of overtime this week, which means an extra $121 this check.
Take-home was a whopping $40 more than usual. :what:
It's hard to make enough money to improve one's self when they have to spend all that extra time to make extra money and they get approximately fuck-all to show for their added effort. Makes me wish over-time wages were non-taxable. If I make 1-2 hours of overtime, I bring home [I]less[/I] money than normal, so I can see how people working hard for long hours can become discouraged.
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