• Don't supply weapons to Israel; Says Britain.
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[QUOTE=DogGunn;21426248]What? What about the checkpoints? You're becoming more unintelligible as time goes on. Perhaps you should take a break. Calm down, and stop producing so much hate.[/QUOTE] There are 90+ checkpoints surrounding Gaza inside and outside the giant wall. Palestine is opressed, they turn violent. Hatred for what? other then human rights abuse oh fuck me, I am SO sorry for not supporting human rights abuse like you and burnemdown, who has a fitting name I might add.
[QUOTE=Not Tishler;21426204] lol, burnemdown, quick, lie! it's what you do best[/QUOTE] If after 8 pages of trying to prove Israel committed war crimes you still didn't succeed it's obvious you are completely biased, you believe what you want to believe and you entered this discussion with a clear intention of not accepting facts which oppose your biased opinion. I accepted many times in the thread that I made mistakes (while Israel still didn't come out as having committed war crimes), did you? Also I'd like to present you with another (obvious) mistake I've made, which, quite amusingly you didn't correct, I can only assume it's because of your complete lack of information regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The mistake is that I've mentioned that people from Gaza launched rockets at Israel for 18 years, the truth is they only did this for 9 years. I'm sorry for my mistake, however not as much as I would have since it showed how much information you lack regarding the subject.
[QUOTE=starpluck;21426361]Only reason why Hamas is considered terrorist is because they have a full proper army. Zionists terroists were no longer called terrorists once they developed an army. [/quote] What about to Israel's enemy. Anyway, I wouldn't really call Hamas a military force, rather a milita.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21426393]If after 8 pages of trying to prove Israel committed war crimes you still didn't succeed it's obvious you are completely biased, you believe what you want to believe and you entered this discussion with a clear intention of not accepting facts which oppose your biased opinion. I accepted many times in the thread that I made mistakes (while Israel still didn't come out as having committed war crimes), did you?[/QUOTE] uh... News articles, pictures, etc. I named off massacres to boot. That's war crimes. what are you doing? I didn't make a mistake? [editline]04:37PM[/editline] Have you ever set foot in Israel?
[QUOTE=Not Tishler;21426377]There are 90+ checkpoints surrounding Gaza inside and outside the giant wall. Palestine is opressed, they turn violent. [/quote] Is that surpisngly like how Israel turns violent when they have rockets, mortars and people blowing themselves up and others in their land? [QUOTE=Not Tishler;21426377]Hatred for what? other then human rights abuse[/quote] What about the human rights abuse that Hamas commits? Do you hate them for that? [QUOTE=Not Tishler;21426377]oh fuck me, I am SO sorry for not supporting human rights abuse like you and burnemdown, who has a fitting name I might add.[/QUOTE] That's just general hatred and flaming. Please don't resort to that, and don't suggest I'm in support of any human rights abuse, because it's fairly clear I'm not.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;21426395] War of Independence...[/QUOTE] So you justify bombing a hotel because people have different views then you? You're sick.
[QUOTE=starpluck;21426464]So you justify bombing a hotel because people have different views then you? Your sick.[/QUOTE] *You're - and no, I didn't state anything at all. That's putting words in my mouth.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;21426477]*You're - and no, I didn't state anything at all. That's putting words in my mouth.[/QUOTE] You're stating "War of Independence". The bombing was to show resistance to the British mandate of Palestine. We all know what you are trying to imply. Only an idiot wouldn't know.
[QUOTE=Not Tishler;21426420]uh... News articles, pictures, etc. I named off massacres to boot. That's war crimes. what are you doing? I didn't make a mistake? [editline]04:37PM[/editline] Have you ever set foot in Israel?[/QUOTE] Wow you named some massacres. Sorry guys discussion over. If I can come in here and read both sides of the discussion and get more and more annoyed every post of yours I read that goes in circles basically saying nothing, you just need to stop trying to argue.
[QUOTE=Not Tishler;21426420] Have you ever set foot in Israel?[/QUOTE] Does it matter?
[QUOTE=starpluck;21426510]You're stating "War of Independence". The bombing was to show resistance to the British mandate of Palestine. We all know what you are trying to imply. Only an idiot wouldn't know.[/QUOTE] Nope. Only a fool would assume. I was not actually trying to imply anything. Unlike many users in this thread, I don't use rhetorical questions. I make clear and concise points. For the sake of being clear, I'm going to delete it.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;21426444]Is that surpisngly like how Israel turns violent when they have rockets, mortars and people blowing themselves up and others in their land? What about the human rights abuse that Hamas commits? Do you hate them for that? That's just general hatred and flaming. Please don't resort to that, and don't suggest I'm in support of any human rights abuse, because it's fairly clear I'm not.[/QUOTE] Again, it's all response to Israeli oppression. A huge fucking wall, brosephhhh Like? I condemn horrible acts Hamas does. But most of the time there's a bigger picture pro-zionists are not seeing. You're defending Israeli abuse of human fucking rights, how the hell can you say you DON'T support it when you clearly do? [editline]04:51PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21426531]Does it matter?[/QUOTE] Yes, it does. [editline]04:51PM[/editline] [QUOTE=DogGunn;21426477]*You're - and no, I didn't state anything at all. That's putting words in my mouth.[/QUOTE] you said war of independence as if you were defending it. [editline]04:52PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Canesfan;21426524]Wow you named some massacres. Sorry guys discussion over. If I can come in here and read both sides of the discussion and get more and more annoyed every post of yours I read that goes in circles basically saying nothing, you just need to stop trying to argue.[/QUOTE] that's a whole lota noise and nothing useful.
Please tell me how the hell does it matter if someone's been to Israel or if they haven't, how is it relevant to their opinions or the facts they bring.
[QUOTE=Not Tishler;21426654]Again, it's all response to Israeli oppression. A huge fucking wall, brosephhhh[/QUOTE] Well then if that's the case, Israeli's can succesfully claim that any victim of Israel is because of Palestinian opposition. [QUOTE=Not Tishler;21426654]Like? I condemn horrible acts Hamas does. But most of the time there's a bigger picture pro-zionists are not seeing.[/QUOTE] By the sounds of it, you're not looking at the "bigger picture". After all it's all "all response to Israeli oppression". [QUOTE=Not Tishler;21426654]You're defending Israeli abuse of human fucking rights, how the hell can you say you DON'T support it when you clearly do?[/quote] There's nothing suggesting I do. You're assuming. Also stop with the language... it doesn't help with your point. It just makes you look like an immature kid.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21426725]Please tell me how the hell does it matter if someone's been to Israel or if they haven't, how is it relevant to their opinions or the facts they bring.[/QUOTE] First hand experience is best.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;21426734]Well then if that's the case, Israeli's can succesfully claim that any victim of Israel is because of Palestinian opposition.[/quote] Palestine doesn't have a huge wall that cuts supplies off and they don't fire white phosphorous into populated areas. [QUOTE] By the sounds of it, you're not looking at the "bigger picture". After all it's all "all response to Israeli oppression".[/QUOTE] wall lol, you're hilariously ignorant. [quote]There's nothing suggesting I do. You're assuming. Also stop with the language... it doesn't help with your point. It just makes you look like an immature kid.[/QUOTE] oh no, he cursed, help me mommie you're crying because I cursed and you're saying I'm immature? [editline]05:00PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21426725]Please tell me how the hell does it matter if someone's been to Israel or if they haven't, how is it relevant to their opinions or the facts they bring.[/QUOTE] You blindly defend something you've never seen.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21424756]ITT: More Israel bandwagon-bashing and Israel-trolling. Anyway, not sure why we're not letting them have weapons of ours.[/QUOTE]ugh not you again
[QUOTE=Not Tishler;21426833]Palestine doesn't have a huge wall that cuts supplies off and they don't fire white phosphorous into populated areas.[/quote] They've got ways of getting stuff in. It seems they only like to bring in armaments and not medical supplies. They do fire rockets and mortars on occasions. I guess we can ignore that though. [QUOTE=Not Tishler;21426833]lol, you're hilariously ignorant.[/quote] Is that what you resort to if you have no reply to what was said? Just flaming people?
[QUOTE=Not Tishler;21426833] You blindly defend something you've never seen.[/QUOTE] You do know I live in Israel right? It was just yesterday that someone said my opinions are irrelevant because I live here.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21426958]You do know I live in Israel right? It was just yesterday that someone said my opinions are irrelevant because I live here.[/QUOTE] That's all I wanted to know. Have you ever been to Gaza?
[QUOTE=Not Tishler;21427069]That's all I wanted to know. Have you ever been to Gaza?[/QUOTE] I'd be doubtful, and I doubt you have too. You'd land up getting shot within a matter of minutes due to pure hatred.
Heres how it is, simplified, as far as i can see. Please correct me where I'm wrong. After ww1, the league of nations (like the U.N, before the U.N if you don't know) gave great Britain the task of establishing a nation specifically for Jews. After the events of ww2 (holocaust), it was finalized and they gave Britain the right to steal part of Palestine. Palestine got right pissed at this shit and decided it wasn't going to happen, so they got all their other middle eastern buddies to cap Israel like a coke dealer who fails to deliver the white goods, and a bunch of wars happen and Israel finally established proper borders. But Palestine, the intentionally crippled cry baby, didn't like this so they refused to leave the most crowded part of their pisspot, and the middle east, the Gaza strip. Ever since this happened, Palestine and Israel have been in a massive political and military game of tug of war. So more recently, some dudes from Palestine decided they hated Israel uberly specialy, so much so they got super rockets and flung that shit over the boarder right smack damn into Israel. Israel got so butt hurt from all the rockets shoved up its hairy Jewish asshole that it decided to fire every piece of shit back at Palestine like a shit flinging war monkey. This killed a metric fuck tonne of innocent people (Pedestrians, for you GTA fans), roughly a grand and a half worth of them. They flung their belly button fluff encrusted rockets at police offices, students trying to get home in desperation and many more. They even used banned weapons like phosphorus bombs and shit, and they took Palestinian families as human shields in some cases. They blew up like, 12 ambulances and a bunch of hospitals. But they were so butt hurt from all the rockets up their ass that this wasn't enough, and decided to make their own little holocaust death chamber by cling wrapping the entrance and exit to the Gaza rubble pile, effectively crippling all medical supplies and food supplies and shit. Gaza was fucked, and the people in it who ARE bad tried to tell Israel to chill the fuck out, and they wanted a ceasefire. But Israel is a bitch so it told the Palestinian assholes to talk to the mother fucking hand. Fighting still goes on today. Israel justifies by saying god gave them the land, and the U.S supports that shit yo.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;21427087]Fighting still goes on today. Israel justifies by saying god gave them the land, and the U.S supports that shit yo.[/QUOTE] Hell no!
[QUOTE=DogGunn;21427097]Hell no![/QUOTE] And THATS the part you think i'm wrong with?
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;21427140]And THATS the part you think i'm wrong with?[/QUOTE] Israel has become a nation for anyone of any relgion to live in. When I was there for a month, I went to a Mosque, Temple and Church. While the Constitution will proclaim that Israel is a Jewish country, which it is, it has grown into a modern country which defends itself.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;21427223]Israel has become a nation for anyone of any relgion to live in. When I was there for a month, I went to a Mosque, Temple and Church. While the Constitution will proclaim that Israel is a Jewish country, which it is, it has grown into a modern country which defends itself.[/QUOTE] Sure, any religion so long as you're not Palestinian. And it Defends itself from hamas by killing over 1000 civilians.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;21427084]I'd be doubtful, and I doubt you have too. You'd land up getting shot within a matter of minutes due to pure hatred.[/QUOTE] No, but I've been to Hebron. haha, ok, so some guy on the internet says I have pure hatred, never did specify... so that means the people I support are going to shoot me pure hatred for what now? [editline]05:25PM[/editline] [QUOTE=DogGunn;21427223] which defends itself.[/QUOTE] so that giant wall has nothing to do with anything
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;21427250]Sure, any religion so long as you're not Palestinian. [/quote] Palestinian aren't a religion. What about the 1.1 million Palestinians that are Israeli citizens? That's around 18% of the country. [QUOTE=Keeshond v2;21427250]And it Defends itself from hamas by killing over 1000 civilians.[/QUOTE] There have also been over 1000 deaths of Israeli civilians by Palestinians over the conflicts. Nothing justifies a death, but don't pretend the Palestinians are high and mighty. [editline]02:30AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Not Tishler;21427305]No, but I've been to Hebron. haha, ok, so some guy on the internet says I have pure hatred, never did specify... so that means the people I support are going to shoot me pure hatred for what now?[/quote] Pure hatred for Israel. A rational person would be able to look at both sides of the arguments, but you have not once pointed out any flaws in the Palestinian cause. [QUOTE=Not Tishler;21427305]so that giant wall has nothing to do with anything[/QUOTE] You keep mentioning the wall. And why don't the Palestinians fire rockets into Egypt - after all, they've stuck up another giant wall too? So I guess it doesn't have too much to do with it. Not dying that it has no responsibility for Hamas's actions.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;21427368]Palestinian aren't a religion. What about the 1.1 million Palestinians that are Israeli citizens? That's around 18% of the country. There have also been over 1000 deaths of Israeli civilians by Palestinians over the conflicts. Nothing justifies a death, but don't pretend the Palestinians are high and mighty.[/QUOTE] I know that, i meant the nationality. The difference is, hamas has far less military capability. It just fires blindly. The Israeli military DIRECTLY fired upon innocents. The Palestinians are only Israeli citizens because Israel forced them to be when it stole their land. I'll quote: [QUOTE=Nyaos;21391020]To all of you who believe that there is some sort of legit war going on against the angry muslims and the defending Jews, here is a picture for you. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Palestine_election_map.PNG[/img] See this map? All of this is legally Palestinian land. Every major country recognizes that. The dark green is actually under their control, the light green is Israeli control. It's hardly a "occupation" when you're building homes and sending Israelis to live there.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;21427480]I know that, i meant the nationality. The difference is, hamas has far less military capability. It just fires blindly. The Israeli military DIRECTLY fired upon innocents. [/QUOTE] I can assure you, if the US, UK, Germany, India knew that Israel was firing directly upon innocent people, then they would stop their arms and munition trading. But this has not happened. Israel releases almost all tapes from Apache helicopters and bombers - so if you want to verify that the attacks are legitimate or not, you can do so yourself. [QUOTE=Keeshond v2;21427480]The Palestinians are only Israeli citizens because Israel forced them to be when it stole their land.[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about Israeli occupation of the West Bank. I'm talking about Arabs that live intergrated in the actual land of Israel with Israeli passports.
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