David Miliband: we need a second vote on Brexit deal - Polidicks

[QUOTE=TraderRager;52594471]Brexit only succeeded due to extremely low voter turnout - Almost no one legitmatley believed it would happen and they didn't show up to the polls. It was a complete fluke. [img_thumb]https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/11/05/11/brexit-chart.jpg[/img_thumb] There should be a revote so a proper democratic choice can take place. It just didn't seem possible to most brits.[/QUOTE] Highly misleading - at 72.2%, turnout in the referendum was higher than in any national vote since 1992, and it was [URL=https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/news-releases-referendums/provisional-electorate-figures-published-ahead-of-the-eu-referendum]the largest electorate in UK history[/URL] by raw numbers. That 'not on the electoral register' figure seems to include the entire child population of the UK which is about 14 or 15 million people [url=https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/datasets/populationestimatesforukenglandandwalesscotlandandnorthernireland]according to the ONS[/URL]

[QUOTE=TraderRager;52594471]Brexit only succeeded due to extremely low voter turnout - Almost no one legitmatley believed it would happen and they didn't show up to the polls. It was a complete fluke. [img_thumb]https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/11/05/11/brexit-chart.jpg[/img_thumb] There should be a revote so a proper democratic choice can take place. It just didn't seem possible to most brits.[/QUOTE] That's a lot of assumptions you got there. Apart from what TraderRager said you are assuming that most of the people who didn't vote would have voted remain, which is complete speculation.

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;52583535]But that's something the EU will recover from eventually though. The UK, almost no matter what deals they get, will never fully recover.[/QUOTE] I am sure the UK will recover. It may be hard, but this country has been in far worse situations. Let's be realistic and not get ahead of ourselves or make an embarassment of yourself with a sensationalist and emotional assumption. Just to illustrate the sheer stupidity of your comment; one only needs to be aware of the recovery of devastated European nations war after war... especially after WW1 and WW2.

[QUOTE=Anteep;52597213]I am sure the UK will recover. It may be hard, but this country has been in far worse situations. Let's be realistic and not get ahead of ourselves or make an embarassment of yourself with a sensationalist and emotional assumption. Just to illustrate the sheer stupidity of your comment; one only needs to be aware of the recovery of devastated European nations war after war... especially after WW1 and WW2.[/QUOTE] He's not saying the UK won't recover, it will recover, just not to pre-brexit levels.

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;52597581]He's not saying the UK won't recover, it will recover, just not to pre-brexit levels.[/QUOTE] Yeah, which is moronic and unsubstantiated fearmongering. Of course it will, UK won't suddenly fall apart and regress into a third world nation and stay there for eternity. The wheels will turn and progess will continue. Worse things couldn't stop this, and leaving the EU is trivial in the grand scheme of things. Thanks for making me repeat myself. I'm well aware there are a bunch of pessimistic idiots who, for some irrational reason would love to see this country just fall apart and enjoy watching the pain and suffering it will bring upon millions. Fortunately, there are plenty more of us in the real world who are 1. rational, and 2. willing to put in the hard work and make good out of a poor situation. I am not willing to join a bunch of, to be quite frank losers in a depressive circlejerk that will accomplish nothing. Times will be tough, but that's not what we're arguing about here.

[QUOTE=Anteep;52597659]Yeah, which is moronic and unsubstantiated fearmongering. Of course it will, UK won't suddenly fall apart and regress into a third world nation and stay there for eternity. The wheels will turn and progess will continue. Worse things couldn't stop this, and leaving the EU is trivial in the grand scheme of things. Thanks for making me repeat myself. I'm well aware there are a bunch of pessimistic idiots who, for some irrational reason would love to see this country just fall apart and enjoy watching the pain and suffering it will bring upon millions. Fortunately, there are plenty more of us in the real world who are 1. rational, and 2. willing to put in the hard work and make good out of a poor situation. I am not willing to join a bunch of, to be quite frank losers in a depressive circlejerk that will accomplish nothing. Times will be tough, but that's not what we're arguing about here.[/QUOTE] theres a very real threat that british manufacturing will totally collapse without free access to europe. there is no plan for this.

[QUOTE=Anteep;52597659]Yeah, which is moronic and unsubstantiated fearmongering. Of course it will, UK won't suddenly fall apart and regress into a third world nation and stay there for eternity. The wheels will turn and progess will continue. Worse things couldn't stop this, and leaving the EU is trivial in the grand scheme of things. Thanks for making me repeat myself.[/QUOTE] But why are we even doing this? I'm yet to find any concrete evidence of positives beyond sentiment (eg we had sovereignty,[URL="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/13/is-the-eu-undemocratic-referendum-reality-check"] the EU isn't undemocratic[/URL]) . You say about rationality, but I can only rationally see downsides. It all just seems a complete waste of at least two years when we could be working together as the EU to solve the pertinent problems like climate change, Russian aggression, etc.

Again I must point out that the EU has a vested interest in absolutely shafting the UK. If the UK comes out stronger then it was in the EU then it defeats the purpose of the EU and the whole thing falls apart. Britain is screwed unless they can negotiate their way back into the EU