Prop 8 Striked down in california, allowing gay marriage - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Splurgy_A;23843540]It's being sorted out! :fuckyou: Regarding the argument over the last couple of pages: Just do what we do in the UK - tax breaks to married couples/civil partnerships and then tax credits and an allowance to people who have kids (because you don't have to be married to have kids). Also gays can "give birth" - lesbians through artificial insemination, gay guys through surrogacy.[/QUOTE]Please don't. Full marriage please. Civil partnership is not enough, and I've yet to hear a decent reason why we are not allowed to call it marriage. There ARE differences between marriage and civil partnership by the way.

[QUOTE=mbutler2;23862669]A step in the wrong direction.[/QUOTE] I'm wondering at which point gays being able to marry will bring our country down to ruin

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23874816]I'm wondering at which point gays being able to marry will bring our country down to ruin[/QUOTE]It will be the beginning of the Tribulation.

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23874816]I'm wondering at which point gays being able to marry will bring our country down to ruin[/QUOTE] We might convert the children of the future to be gay and turn this entire god loving country into a sin filled god hating gay country...That's what some people might actually think.

[QUOTE=TailsPrower;23874739]Please don't. Full marriage please. Civil partnership is not enough, and I've yet to hear a decent reason why we are not allowed to call it marriage. There ARE differences between marriage and civil partnership by the way.[/QUOTE] Well there's a couple of straight people over here who are trying to get a civil partnership because they object to the religious overtones. Once they succeed, civil partnership will probably be just the same as marriage.

Christian: Is Prop 8 still in-place? Christian 2:No it was overruled Christian 1 2 and 3:[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tim5nU3DwIE[/media]

[QUOTE=Morcam;23841650]Or maybe I just didn't like having the default avatar.[/QUOTE] Nope, preeeetty sure it's the prick thing...

[QUOTE=RacistRace;23877608]Christian: Is Prop 8 still in-place? Christian 2:No it was overruled Christian 1 2 and 3:[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tim5nU3DwIE[/media][/QUOTE] hehe stupid christians

[QUOTE=SSBMX;23878381]hehe stupid christians[/QUOTE] I believe that people have the right to say whatever they want and believe whatever they want, but if they try to make laws to control a group they dislike I think they should just be told to fuck off. I think the judge said its not about what the religious groups want in the ruling.

The thing is, I understand what's going on in the heads of certain Christians. They're raised under the post-50's belief that the world at large is getting worse and worse, that fewer people are believing in God, and that God protects the people who stand up for what is right, so you're doing the right thing if you do. Personally, I think the world is no worse than it ever was, perhaps better. Communication technologies lifted the fog of war we used to have, and now we see everything that happens and hear about it almost instantly. To the naive, the sudden upsurge in atrocities, genocide, war and rampant crime is the world spiraling out of control, when in reality we're just finally able to step back and SEE what's been going on the whole time. From a moral perspective, I think the world at large has taken some major steps away from ignorance. We have a lot of new problems, but we've dropped plenty along the way too. Christians believe the Bible to be unimpeachable, true accounts of events. They are unwilling to accept that there's a good chance books intended for the Bible were dropped to further someone's agenda, or that certain Biblical figures twisted some facts. Plenty of them mis-interpret the Bible, because they read it based upon terminologies they know. Most are unaware that the word "abomination" was more akin to meaning "unconventional", and therefore not as damning as they might believe. There's also a matter of context. Romans for instance, spoke ill of homosexuality, not out of issues of marriage or gender, but because the persons in question performing anal sex were doing so in a pagan fertility ritual, and therefore going against God by worshiping another "false" God. Christians who follow the Bible blindly aren't taking responsibility for themselves. They hail Jesus in one hand, by all means an extremely compassionate and peaceful figure, and proceed with the other to tell people he hates you for one reason or another. They don't consider WHY something is wrong or WHY something is sinful. If there isn't a logical reason, then the only reason is "God said so". That shouldn't be enough for them, or anyone. They forget the context of a lot of the rules and misapply them. If God is the perfect being he's supposed to be, and Jesus is the man from the stories who protected a prostitute from being stoned to death, then the question of what they think of the men and women who found love with another of the same gender is a supremely needless one. God would understand that the last thing this overpopulated world needs currently, is to do more multiplying, and there are thousands of parent-less children who could have homes. Also, I'm not totally convinced in God's "perfection". I consider God to be a trans-dimensional entity, perhaps some celestial consciousness that transcends the limitations of time and space, perhaps created as a result of the Big Bang, or one of the bangs before it. Existing on a plane where time has no meaning, regardless of when it was created, it would perceive it's existence as having always existed, and will always continue to exist. I believe that our belief in His perfection is a product of primeval thinking. Galileo rocked the boat when he told everyone the planets weren't perfect spheres, but had blemishes, craters, mountians and valleys. Because the planets were of "heaven", they were assumed to be perfect. This could also hold true of God. God says himself that he is selfish, and He betrays emotion often. While likely capable of infinite logic, being so powerful an entity and having no concept of time, therefore having unlimited time to make and form decisions, a being capable of emotion is capable of falling victim to it's feelings. If man was made in God's image, and his image is of a free mind with emotional capacities, it would make sense for him to make mistakes now and then, but I doubt he is rash often. Either way, lack of questioning and lack of reasoning are not what it means to be a "good Christian". Those who believe so are fooling themselves, and are themselves becoming immoral.

[QUOTE=J-Dude;23888386] Christians believe the Bible to be unimpeachable, true accounts of events. They are unwilling to accept that there's a good chance books intended for the Bible were dropped to further someone's agenda, or that certain Biblical figures twisted some facts. [/QUOTE] Hang on - Jesus may actually have been a cat! The Bible may simply have been distorted by other to present him as a human! That's an invalid argument. You can't simply go into a series of infinite hypothetical situations.

Well, isn't that just gay.

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;23911574]Hang on - Jesus may actually have been a cat! The Bible may simply have been distorted by other to present him as a human! That's an invalid argument. You can't simply go into a series of infinite hypothetical situations.[/QUOTE] But WHAT IF Jonas didn't actually live inside the fish?! my faith has been shaken

[QUOTE=TailsPrower;23874739]Please don't. Full marriage please. Civil partnership is not enough, and I've yet to hear a decent reason why we are not allowed to call it marriage. There ARE differences between marriage and civil partnership by the way.[/QUOTE] Marriage....it basic terms. Not worth it anymore, if you truly love someone. Why should you propose? Isn't showing you love them by being with them, helping them and just being their significant other enough. This goes for everyone, I'm not singling you out. I just...I don't believe in marriage, it over romanticizes the idea of sticking with one person. In pirate Yar, why be porting up when ye could be sailin' the seven seas in a fleet of lovely pillagin? Be they not the same bloomin' thing?

[QUOTE=Swilly;23911732]Marriage....it basic terms. Not worth it anymore, if you truly love someone. Why should you propose? Isn't showing you love them by being with them, helping them and just being their significant other enough. This goes for everyone, I'm not singling you out. I just...I don't believe in marriage, it over romanticizes the idea of sticking with one person. In pirate Yar, why be porting up when ye could be sailin' the seven seas in a fleet of lovely pillagin? Be they not the same bloomin' thing?[/QUOTE] The only reason to get married is for tax breaks. I personally don't believe in marriage. I still believe that everyone has the right to get married however.

[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;23911728]But WHAT IF Jonas didn't actually live inside the fish?! my faith has been shaken[/QUOTE] There's a difference between the two. Old Testament isn't to be taken literally, while New Testament is.

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;23912075]There's a difference between the two. Old Testament isn't to be taken literally, while New Testament is.[/QUOTE] How do you know the old testament wasn't meant to be taken literally? Who's going into a series of hypothetical situations now? Many people back then believed it was, saying now that it isn't is just a "what if". How did you fall into this trap it was so obvious

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;23912075]There's a difference between the two. Old Testament isn't to be taken literally, while New Testament is.[/QUOTE] That is literally the dumbest thing I've ever fucking heard.

This is fabulicious

Marriage is a good excuse for a knees-up. You get to celebrate your love for someone surrounded by all your nearest and dearest who're all dressed to the nines. THAT's why weddings are a good thing.

:smile:

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;23912545]That is literally the dumbest thing I've ever fucking heard.[/QUOTE] Love you too.

[QUOTE=Splurgy_A;23913405]Marriage is a good excuse for a knees-up. You get to celebrate your love for someone surrounded by all your nearest and dearest who're all dressed to the nines. THAT's why weddings are a good thing.[/QUOTE] The real reason is for the rights they bestow upon the people

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;23913497]Love you too.[/QUOTE] What? Does one book have "This is literal" and the other book have "this is a metaphor" in it? No, they don't. You made up that distinction yourself. Both were at one time or another considered to be literal interpretations of the world. People pick and choose what they believe out of the bible, out of religion, and you're NO different. That's why religion is a hock of shit. The over arching moral codes(While stupid anyways, Kill disobedient kids?) are never adhered to strictly, and are basically treated like a buffet line. [editline]06:24AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Splurgy_A;23913405]Marriage is a good excuse for a knees-up. You get to celebrate your love for someone surrounded by all your nearest and dearest who're all dressed to the nines. THAT's why weddings are a good thing.[/QUOTE] I think Canada has "commonlaw spouses" which gives similar rights in emergencies as marriage does, but only requires living together as a couple for two years. I think, I could be wrong. Of course, this is just a hold off to marriage I think, but I think it's a totally valid way to have a stepping stone to marriage.

government saves some money if gays can't marry

nah [editline]11:37AM[/editline] they could make money

[QUOTE=Fkpuz Version 1;23919357]government saves some money if gays can't marry[/QUOTE] At what cost? AT WHAT COST?!

[QUOTE=Fkpuz Version 1;23919357]government saves some money if gays can't marry[/QUOTE] Tax the rich, makes up for the what little lost income. :downs: But seriously, what does marriage signify when half don't even last that long?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;23915463]I think Canada has "commonlaw spouses" which gives similar rights in emergencies as marriage does, but only requires living together as a couple for two years. I think, I could be wrong. Of course, this is just a hold off to marriage I think, but I think it's a totally valid way to have a stepping stone to marriage.[/QUOTE] Yeah, the UK has this too. If you're together long enough and break up I think you can even bring divorce proceedings [editline]09:20PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ZekeTwo;23914780]The real reason is for the rights they bestow upon the people[/QUOTE] That was mainly directed to the "WE SHOULD JUST BAN MARRIAGE BECAUSE IT'S UNNECESSARY HERP DERP" people

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;23915463]I think Canada has "commonlaw spouses" which gives similar rights in emergencies as marriage does, but only requires living together as a couple for two years. I think, I could be wrong. Of course, this is just a hold off to marriage I think, but I think it's a totally valid way to have a stepping stone to marriage.[/QUOTE] We also legalized gay marriage nationwide, so it doesn't matter. [editline]08:26PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Splurgy_A;23922059]Yeah, the UK has this too. If you're together long enough and break up I think you can even bring divorce proceedings[/QUOTE] Which is total shit because your roommate can royally screw you if you don't sign a cohabitation agreement. (There is no "partners must be seen as a couple" clause in common-law relationships like there is in say, Saskatchewan) He/she can't take half your stuff but in Canada (British Columbia at least) you're financially responsible for them after only a period of two years. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage#Other_provinces]Source 1[/url] [url=http://www.lawyerahead.ca/research/what-is-a-prenuptial-agreement_154.html]Source 2[/url] (See "what if the parties are not married")