Prop 8 Striked down in california, allowing gay marriage - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;23928367]We also legalized gay marriage nationwide, so it doesn't matter. [editline]08:26PM[/editline] Which is total shit because your roommate can royally screw you if you don't sign a cohabitation agreement. He/she can't take half your stuff but in Canada (British Columbia at least) you're financially responsible for them after only a period of two years.[/QUOTE] I meant more as an alternative to marriage for those who disagree with marriage for other reasons, not gay or straight marriage.

[QUOTE=mbutler2;23862669]A step in the wrong direction.[/QUOTE] Your mother getting pregnant was a step in the wrong direction.

[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;23928456]Your mother getting pregnant was a step in the wrong direction.[/QUOTE] Most brilliant come back ever, and I mean it. :cool:

sweet sweet victory.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;23915463]What? Does one book have "This is literal" and the other book have "this is a metaphor" in it? No, they don't. You made up that distinction yourself. Both were at one time or another considered to be literal interpretations of the world. People pick and choose what they believe out of the bible, out of religion, and you're NO different. That's why religion is a hock of shit. The over arching moral codes(While stupid anyways, Kill disobedient kids?) are never adhered to strictly, and are basically treated like a buffet line. [/QUOTE] Faith. That's a lot of it. I'm not a Catholic scholar, so I really can't tell you the exact answer. Truth comes in many forms, (metaphorical, historical, spiritual). Some parts of both testaments are regarded as physically true, while some parts of others are regarded as metaphorically true (e.g. Gospel of John's first parts). On one hand, you can say that the teachings of Jesus, both on God and God's morals, are unquestionably true. God also isn't a very moody figure, thus, as Christ said, he would always have been benevolent, and always will be. Thus, all the understandings of an angry, violent God in the Old Testament are not literally true. They ARE, however, expressions of the strength of love for God. At the same time, the Ten Commandments are directly regarded as the messages of God, thus true - but in what truth? It really comes down to faith. It is my faith in God and Christ which explains this to me. You obviously don't have faith in God, so I doubt you'd understand what I mean, and I don't blame you for it. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_law_in_Christianity#The_Roman_Catholic_view[/url] Take a look through here, might help.

We don't give a shit about faith. Your apologetics are... uninpressive.

You've just said "I know which bits of the Bible are true because of my faith" which amounts to "I just know in my heart which bits are true". I just know in my heart that there is no God. Both arguments are in theory equally valid and so cancel each other out. You'll be needing a better argument.

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;23936133]Faith. That's a lot of it. I'm not a Catholic scholar, so I really can't tell you the exact answer. Truth comes in many forms, (metaphorical, historical, spiritual). Some parts of both testaments are regarded as physically true, while some parts of others are regarded as metaphorically true (e.g. Gospel of John's first parts). On one hand, you can say that the teachings of Jesus, both on God and God's morals, are unquestionably true. God also isn't a very moody figure, thus, as Christ said, he would always have been benevolent, and always will be. Thus, all the understandings of an angry, violent God in the Old Testament are not literally true. They ARE, however, expressions of the strength of love for God. At the same time, the Ten Commandments are directly regarded as the messages of God, thus true - but in what truth? It really comes down to faith. It is my faith in God and Christ which explains this to me. You obviously don't have faith in God, so I doubt you'd understand what I mean, and I don't blame you for it. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_law_in_Christianity#The_Roman_Catholic_view[/url] Take a look through here, might help.[/QUOTE] I was raised catholic by my parents, faith isn't enough to justify it at some point for a lot of people. And it still really doesn't change the fact you pick and choose your beliefs. Faith isn't enough when you start picking and choosing because then it's just a load of bullshit. You can't pick and choose.

Dunno if this has been posted, but I'm gonna put there here: "A civilization which couldn't survive gay marriage didn't deserve to in the first place." Just sayin'.

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;23936133]Faith. That's a lot of it. I'm not a Catholic scholar, so I really can't tell you the exact answer. Truth comes in many forms, (metaphorical, historical, spiritual). Some parts of both testaments are regarded as physically true, while some parts of others are regarded as metaphorically true (e.g. Gospel of John's first parts). On one hand, you can say that the teachings of Jesus, both on God and God's morals, are unquestionably true. God also isn't a very moody figure, thus, as Christ said, he would always have been benevolent, and always will be. Thus, all the understandings of an angry, violent God in the Old Testament are not literally true. They ARE, however, expressions of the strength of love for God. At the same time, the Ten Commandments are directly regarded as the messages of God, thus true - but in what truth? It really comes down to faith. It is my faith in God and Christ which explains this to me. You obviously don't have faith in God, so I doubt you'd understand what I mean, and I don't blame you for it. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_law_in_Christianity#The_Roman_Catholic_view[/url] Take a look through here, might help.[/QUOTE] God is benevolent? What a crock of shit. An all powerful being does nothing to stop the wanton chaos and destruction across the planet. This alone makes him neutral at BEST. The reasonings for doing so don't matter. Especially when we consider that an all powerful being would have seen it all coming. Every. Act. Of. Evil. and did nothing to stop it.

This is a good thing. [editline]03:49AM[/editline] Why do people argue about religion (or the lack thereof)? Nobody cares, and if they do, they should be ignored.

[QUOTE=lulzbocks;23946424]This is a good thing. [editline]03:49AM[/editline] Why do people argue about religion (or the lack thereof)? Nobody cares, and if they do, they should be ignored.[/QUOTE] Because some people believe their religion should dictate moral values for everyone, and they're loud enough to make a lot of people listen subsequently leading to less rights for some.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;23946570]Because some people believe their religion should dictate moral values for everyone, and they're loud enough to make a lot of people listen subsequently leading to less rights for some.[/QUOTE] Why do gays want Marriage if it is for religious people, why can't they just have a civil service, why should ministers be forced to marry two gay people if they believe it is wrong?

[QUOTE=Thom12255;23946706]Why do gays want Marriage if it is for religious people, why can't they just have a civil service, why should ministers be forced to marry two gay people if they believe it is wrong?[/QUOTE] nobody is forcing anyone to do anything

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;23946570]Because some people believe their religion should dictate moral values for everyone, and they're loud enough to make a lot of people listen subsequently leading to less rights for some.[/QUOTE] I hate these types of people. Why can't you just live your life how you want to and leave everyone else alone? [QUOTE=Thom12255;23946706]Why do gays want Marriage if it is for religious people, why can't they just have a civil service, why should ministers be forced to marry two gay people if they believe it is wrong?[/QUOTE] I don't think that anyone should have to practice their religion or any type of belief differently because of someone else. However, if your religion hurts someone, then it needs to change. But I wouldn't want to force a priest to marry two gay people. That's not right.

[QUOTE=GunFox;23946405]God is benevolent? What a crock of shit. An all powerful being does nothing to stop the wanton chaos and destruction across the planet. This alone makes him neutral at BEST. The reasonings for doing so don't matter. Especially when we consider that an all powerful being would have seen it all coming. Every. Act. Of. Evil. and did nothing to stop it.[/QUOTE] I would actually point to what Mordin says about how as species, you must move forward culturally while hand in hand scientifically. To jump in and stop it would fuck that balance up as pointed out with the Krogan. Think about it, we freaked out about different skin colors. If god were to suddenly make his presence known, what do you think would happen?

[QUOTE=Thom12255;23946706]Why do gays want Marriage if it is for religious people, why can't they just have a civil service, why should ministers be forced to marry two gay people if they believe it is wrong?[/QUOTE] Because marriage ISN'T a religious thing. It's a government thing. As soon as marriage became something the government handeled, it was no longer a religious institution. If it were a religious instition, would it not then, be completely in the hands of religion? Yes, then clearly in our situation, it is not a religious convention.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;23946706]Why do gays want Marriage if it is for religious people, why can't they just have a civil service, why should ministers be forced to marry two gay people if they believe it is wrong?[/QUOTE] gays can't be religious? [editline]11:43PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;23946827]I would actually point to what Mordin says about how as species, you must move forward culturally while hand in hand scientifically. To jump in and stop it would fuck that balance up as pointed out with the Krogan. Think about it, we freaked out about different skin colors. If god were to suddenly make his presence known, what do you think would happen?[/QUOTE] Ok, this is the second time you used ME 2 as evidence. You're starting to creep me out.

[QUOTE=Warhol;23947375]gays can't be religious? [editline]11:43PM[/editline] Ok, this is the second time you used ME 2 as evidence. You're starting to creep me out.[/QUOTE] You know what they say, ME2 is a perfect reference for philosophy

There's some deep Ethical insight in it, but like, he mentioned Morodin like twice now. I personally think Morodin is unethical, but i would feel shitty if this got derailed by it.

[QUOTE=Warhol;23947375]gays can't be religious? [editline]11:43PM[/editline] Ok, this is the second time you used ME 2 as evidence. You're starting to creep me out.[/QUOTE] Religion and video games are Western Capitalist pig-dog propaganda and both must be stricken down in order to further the Communist revolution!

you're not even making sense anymore.

My point is still valid, just the message is creepy.

Well Morodin is right, but his idea was science was genocide.

[QUOTE=Warhol;23949833]Well Morodin is right, but his idea was science was genocide.[/QUOTE] Lets not get this discussion swayed :v: Still someone explain to me this obsession with marriage? Because I swear to god, if it was just one asshole guy trying to show off.....Imma kill a bitch.

Why not have the conversation swayed? It's not like discussions on religion and gay marriage are rare here.

Its not really the appropriate thread.

Well It's not like it's completely unrelated. You brought up the subject in the context of the original topic, and threads go off on tangents all the time.

[QUOTE=LCBADs;23950377]Well It's not like it's completely unrelated. You brought up the subject in the context of the original topic, and threads go off on tangents all the time.[/QUOTE]Actually, the only legitimate claim against gay marriage is religious. That one claim is the only thing that's keeping gay marriage from happening, so I think religion has everything to do with this.

-Edit- Actually I would argue that our society in the current state it is in now, is not prepared for gay marriage. We don't even have control over straight marriage. You never want to make societal changes during down turns, only during up turns. During down turns everyone is at eachother's throats while during up turns everyone is lovely dovey so its easier to pass societal changes then,