Prop 8 Striked down in california, allowing gay marriage - Polidicks

[QUOTE=TailsPrower;23951915]I never once said that marriage was needed by everyone. In fact, if you would read, I said the opposite--it is nothing but want. The reason so many marriages have failed is because of liberty vs societal traditions of marriage; without there being an honest desire for the long term commitment, marriage won't last in today's world. I did, however, say it provides many benefits and it has a very real and needed place in society as a whole, for the people who so desire it. The idea that marriage is nothing but romanticized thought is asinine. Please tell me how this is unclear thought.[/QUOTE] Wait, so are you trying to say that marriage is needed in society, but only for the people who want marriage in the first place?

[QUOTE=TailsPrower;23951915]I never once said that marriage was needed by everyone. In fact, if you would read, I said the opposite--it is nothing but want. The reason so many marriages have failed is because of liberty vs societal traditions of marriage; without there being an honest desire for the long term commitment, marriage won't last in today's world. I did, however, say it provides many benefits and it has a very real and needed place in society as a whole, for the people who so desire it. The idea that marriage is nothing but romanticized thought is asinine. Please tell me how this is unclear thought.[/QUOTE] Except for the part about it goes against male instincts of reproductive survival?

[QUOTE=LCBADs;23952216]Wait, so are you trying to say that marriage is needed in society, but only for the people who want marriage in the first place?[/QUOTE]Marriage is a needed option, as a safety net and for couple rights. The ideology behind marriage itself changes, the legal implications do not. The legal aspects, some are not really even benefits, are needed. [QUOTE=Swilly;23952352]Except for the part about it goes against male instincts of reproductive survival?[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but LOL

[QUOTE=TailsPrower;23952364]Marriage is a[B] needed option[/B], as a safety net and for couple rights. The ideology behind marriage itself changes, the legal implications do not. The legal aspects, some are not really even benefits, are needed.[/QUOTE] oh wow, you're literally braindead.

[QUOTE=TailsPrower;23952364] I'm sorry but LOL[/QUOTE] :lol: This guy ignores the same science that explains his homosexuality.

-snip, quoted wrong person-

[QUOTE=Swilly;23952542]:lol: This guy ignores the same science that explains his homosexuality.[/QUOTE]Huh? Also, I found this. [url]http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04353r.pdf[/url] The official list of marriage benefits.

[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;23952624]Alright, this has gone on long enough. I take exception to your attitude. You know NOTHING about homosexuality, so keep your asinine comments and opinions to yourself you fucking bigot.[/QUOTE] So it has nothing to do with genetics?

[QUOTE=Swilly;23952732]So it has nothing to do with genetics?[/QUOTE] [citation needed]

[QUOTE=Swilly;23952732]So it has nothing to do with genetics?[/QUOTE] Holy shit, I'm sorry man. I quoted the wrong person from the wrong page. I'll snip my post. I still disagree with you that introducing gay marriage now would be detrimental, it isn't. And you still come across as anti-gay.

[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;23952846]Holy shit, I'm sorry man. I quoted the wrong person from the wrong page. I'll snip my post. I still disagree with you that introducing gay marriage now would be detrimental, it isn't. And you still come across as anti-gay.[/QUOTE] I'm saying now, while we're at a down turn is a bad idea. Just look at the 1920s when everyone had money, blacks and whites had better relations and as a whole, everyone was happy. But when the depression hit, well...those red necks in pointed white hats are just ghosts.

You still haven't justified WHY it's a bad idea. You mention the KKK or something, what does that have to do with this?

[QUOTE=Swilly;23952903]I'm saying now, while we're at a down turn is a bad idea.[/QUOTE] and why's that? ending discrimination is a bad idea? what reality are you living in

[QUOTE=thisispain;23952837][citation needed][/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instinct[/url] Citation. [editline]11:22PM[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;23952944]and why's that? ending discrimination is a bad idea? what reality are you living in[/QUOTE] Society only flips a dime in anger, when you want acceptance, it takes at least a full century, the aftermath of the Civil Rights movement is perfect example. [editline]11:23PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ZekeTwo;23952924]You still haven't justified WHY it's a bad idea. You mention the KKK or something, what does that have to do with this?[/QUOTE] They grew their strongest during the depression.

The state that American society is in is nowhere near as bad as it was during The Depression. It can handle an advance in civil rights or two.

[QUOTE=Swilly;23952947]They grew their strongest during the depression.[/QUOTE] The difference is that today, there are laws to prevent organizations like the KKK from taking hold in their full capacity again. You can't just go around lynching gays today like you could go around lynching blacks then.

[QUOTE=LCBADs;23953075]The state that American society is in is nowhere near as bad as it was during The Depression. It can handle an advance in civil rights or two.[/QUOTE] However, we do not know if we will hit a double dip. I'm more of just putting the warning flag up there, that right now...people are too pissed about their jobs, the uncertainty. The media isn't helping any, raising and crushing peoples hopes with information that they seek out to listen even if its not true.

[QUOTE=Swilly;23952947][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instinct[/url] Citation. [/QUOTE] inconclusive results are not citations the idea of a gay gene is while a nice idea, very far fetched. studies have not shown that having gay family member puts you in at "higher risk" than not having gay family members and we can't really test for this gene because we don't even know what 98% of the genes in our genome do

[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;23953117]The difference is that today, there are laws to prevent organizations like the KKK from taking hold in their full capacity again. You can't just go around lynching gays today like you could go around lynching blacks then.[/QUOTE] Very true....but if push comes to shove...But I think that kind of hatred is being pointed more towards illegal immigrants at the moment. All we really have is Westboro Dick heads :v: going against gays all the time.

[QUOTE=TailsPrower;23951915]I never once said that marriage was needed by everyone. In fact, if you would read, I said the opposite--it is nothing but want. The reason so many marriages have failed is because of liberty vs societal traditions of marriage; without there being an honest desire for the long term commitment, marriage won't last in today's world. I did, however, say it provides many benefits and it has a very real and needed place in society as a whole, for the people who so desire it. The idea that marriage is nothing but romanticized thought is asinine. Please tell me how this is unclear thought.[/QUOTE] It is romantacized because there are things that replace it in a temporary sense, without any of the fuss. Getting married isn't that special unless you make it out to be. I don't see why we need marriage in the first place, but we can keep it for all I care, and it goes without saying, marriage should be for all if it exists. The reason marriages fail(The number one reason) is the lack of forethought.

[QUOTE=thisispain;23953123]inconclusive results are not citations the idea of a gay gene is while a nice idea, very far fetched. studies have not shown that having gay family member puts you in at "higher risk" than not having gay family members and we can't really test for this gene because we don't even know what 98% of the genes in our genome do[/QUOTE] Oh for fuck's sake!:doh: Now I'm fucking confused. Is your sexual preferences genetic? Or come about from the experiences in your life!? I got screamed at one point in GD for comparing our genetics to the "if then" statements in MS-DOS.

[QUOTE=Fkpuz Version 1;23841380]why is there even a debate about this[/QUOTE] Dumbass teenagers who think they know EVERYTHING about humanity because they read a biology textbook and actually believe that human males must fuck every female that moves to "continue the species" because it's "instinct."

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;23953417]Dumbass teenagers who think they know EVERYTHING about humanity because they read a biology textbook and actually believe that human males must fuck every female that moves to "continue the species" because it's "instinct."[/QUOTE] Thank you for using the "you're an idiot because you're younger" card...:geno:

[QUOTE=Swilly;23953414]Oh for fuck's sake!:doh: Now I'm fucking confused. Is your sexual preferences genetic? Or come about from the experiences in your life!? I got screamed at one point in GD for comparing our genetics the "if then" statements in MS-DOS.[/QUOTE] There are other options you're missing. Your sexual preferences could be a combination of those two things, a result of neither of those things, or something else entirely. The science simply isn't there yet. The only thing that's been conclusively proven is that having gay parents doesn't make you more likely to be gay, infer from that whatever you want.

[QUOTE=Swilly;23953414]Oh for fuck's sake!:doh: Now I'm fucking confused. Is your sexual preferences genetic? Or come about from the experiences in your life!? I got screamed at one point in GD for comparing our genetics to the "if then" statements in MS-DOS.[/QUOTE] It's a biological and psychological inclination that "shifts" over time. Well, according to some pyschologist I read in univeristy.

So I was fucking right.....I hate General Discussion -_-

Judges thoughts: Well, I don't think we should deny gays happiness. This dosn't affect anybody but them. Homophobes will just have to get over it.

I don't see why there's such a debate as to the origins of homosexuality. Whether it's voluntary or not, genetic or environmental or whatever, why should people have less rights for something as harmless as being sexually attracted to your own gender? Hell, you could be as straight as a rod and you should still be able to marry someone of the same sex.

[QUOTE=Swilly;23953491]Thank you for using the "you're an idiot because you're younger" card...:geno:[/QUOTE]Any adult wouldn't believe something so foolish.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;23954028]Any adult wouldn't believe something so foolish.[/QUOTE] Most adults back in 60's still thought racism was okay :geno: Most adults are just as dumb as their teenage counter parts. Most adults continually fight to stay young.