Swedish man is fined $650,000 for uploading a single movie - Polidicks

And once again, thanks to MPAA and the likes, the industry is saved.

[QUOTE=gokiyono;43225715]I have never understood these insane amounts. I can understand you will get fined something, but holy hell.[/QUOTE] they can't pursue every person who downloads a movie. so when they do, they make an example out of the person to try and deter future downloads. there is no "morality" or "logic" to why the fine is so high, it's simply there to be a harsh punishment.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43248927]they can't pursue every person who downloads a movie. so when they do, they make an example out of the person to try and deter future downloads. there is no "morality" or "logic" to why the fine is so high, it's simply there to be a harsh punishment.[/QUOTE]They ruin lives in order to set an example [editline]20th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Chryseus;43248523]Really as if this is going to deter pirates in the slightest, if anything it promotes piracy, fuck supporting an industry that thinks fining someone 650k is a good idea.[/QUOTE] Care to explain how this promotes piracy? Oh look a guy got fined 600k, I better do what he did. Right?

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43247893]Except if they're an incredibly rich guy who fucked up.[/QUOTE] Maybe I'm dumb for suggesting this but.. Fines dependant on how much money the guilty party has on him? It kind of makes sense doesn't it?

[QUOTE=itisjuly;43248970] Care to explain how this promotes piracy? Oh look a guy got fined 600k, I better do what he did. Right?[/QUOTE] quite a lot of people pirate things because they dont want to supports shit like this

[QUOTE=Butthurter;43248759]fucking pirate had it coming[/QUOTE] I can't tell if this post is sarcastic or not.

[QUOTE=elowin;43249209]quite a lot of people pirate things because they dont want to supports shit like this[/QUOTE] Nah they just use it as an excuse to get free stuff. If they actually cared about not supporting shit like this they wouldn't consume the product.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;43249542]Nah they just use it as an excuse to get free stuff. If they actually cared about not supporting shit like this they wouldn't consume the product.[/QUOTE] I care about the artist, actors, etc, who does the actual work, and not some greedy and (today) completely unnecessary third party that only acts as middleman and takes the most of the income from record/movie sales.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;43249542]Nah they just use it as an excuse to get free stuff. If they actually cared about not supporting shit like this they wouldn't consume the product.[/QUOTE] Some granted do pirate just because they can, others like myself only pirate to avoid getting shafted by some greedy publisher, Usually I buy games when they're on sale or my money is going direct to the developers (I.E Starbound). Yes I could avoid pirating the product altogether but why should I have to miss out due to capitalist scumbags who earn 7 figure salaries exploiting others for maximum financial gain, frankly I don't care if the industry falls to bits, there is no need for artists to rely on publishers and record labels now that we have the internet.

[IMG]http://s28.postimg.org/xej6vqy6h/Screen_Shot_2013_12_20_at_16_06_17.png?noCache=1387555636[/IMG] Damnit, thought there was some nice news for once.

[QUOTE=Chryseus;43250559]Some granted do pirate just because they can, others like myself only pirate to avoid getting shafted by some greedy publisher, Usually I buy games when they're on sale or my money is going direct to the developers (I.E Starbound). Yes I could avoid pirating the product altogether but why should I have to miss out due to capitalist scumbags who earn 7 figure salaries exploiting others for maximum financial gain, frankly I don't care if the industry falls to bits, there is no need for artists to rely on publishers and record labels now that we have the internet.[/QUOTE] Funny they don't care about you either so they sue you to ruin your life.

[QUOTE=Chryseus;43250559]Some granted do pirate just because they can, others like myself only pirate to avoid getting shafted by some greedy publisher, Usually I buy games when they're on sale or my money is going direct to the developers (I.E Starbound). Yes I could avoid pirating the product altogether but why should I have to miss out due to capitalist scumbags who earn 7 figure salaries exploiting others for maximum financial gain, frankly I don't care if the industry falls to bits, there is no need for artists to rely on publishers and record labels now that we have the internet.[/QUOTE] There is a reason developers rely on publishers, money. You seem to forget that a lot of the developers are also "capitalist scumbags", sure they don't earn 7 figure salaries, but they sure as shit are making money off their work. Without a publisher a developer is quite limited to what they can do, with little capital to get their idea going they are either restricted to it being something they work on as a hobby outside of earning enough to live on, or they resort to selling early access (and likely not producing quite what they wanted due to obligations to buyers). A publisher resolves this. The publisher gives the developer capital, they don't have to worry about working two jobs to make their product now, they can work using a wage from the publisher. The only requirement being that the publisher receives a cut and the distribution rights (which is only a problem when your publisher is a cock). Without publishers we wouldn't see a lot of the games that we consider classics, we wouldn't see half the films we recognise as classics, it just wouldn't be possible for people to make these like they do today. No matter how you cut it, piracy is harmful. It can be construed as lost sales (people who pirate may have bought it if it was the only option, even if it's not a majority), it shows there is interest in a product, but not enough to justify funding it any more, and so forth. A vast majority of people are not pirating to "get back at the system", they are pirating because it's free shit. Most people don't understand the publisher/developer relationship, and therefore don't actually care and just pirate because they can get expensive luxury x for free instead of paying.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;43250582]Funny they don't care about you either so they sue you to ruin your life.[/QUOTE] You're more likely to get run over leaving your house than get sued for piracy, even more piracy is becoming increasingly a social norm among younger people, even 10 years ago pretty much every person I knew pirated music and games, hell even if you didn't have internet you could just ask someone to stick it on a disk for £5, it's never going to go away, the only way to reduce it is to provide better alternatives like Steam. [QUOTE=hexpunK;43250635]post[/QUOTE] I don't mind companies making money as long as they respect their customers and in the case of publishers the developers who work for them which quite a few (EA being a fine example) don't. As I said above there is always going to be piracy and treating people like shit is only going to make the problem many times worse, if people are pirating your product heavily chances are you've done something wrong.

[QUOTE=Chryseus;43250834]I don't mind companies making money as long as they respect their customers and in the case of publishers the developers who work for them which quite a few (EA being a fine example) don't. As I said above there is always going to be piracy and treating people like shit is only going to make the problem many times worse, [B]if people are pirating your product heavily chances are you've done something wrong.[/B][/QUOTE] Or they are seeing it as free shit? People don't like paying for things unless they know paying for something provides more. It's why Steam is mostly succeeding, people are happy to pay to have their games available all the time from one place. If it weren't for the fact Steam provides a lot, people would be pirating games offered over it a shit ton more. Most developers are quite humble, and do actually care about their fans, but it provides a minor conflict of interest, their job is to make money for the publisher by making products for their clients. If they are spending more money than needed on products, then they aren't making as much money. This is one issue with the publisher/ developer system that only really exists with the big AAA publishers because they are just so large that operating alone is ungodly expensive.

[QUOTE=Explosions;43225957]Makes sense though. A company isn't going to pass up such easy money if the law allows them to take it.[/QUOTE] I hate talking about companies like they're sentient entities. They are made up of people who are very well off regardless of whatever imaginary potential sales they've allegedly lost, and I think [i][b]people[/b][/i] should be empathetic and kind, but that's just me.

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;43226079]The moral of the story, never download shitty movies.[/QUOTE] Friend of mine got a really nasty virus from trying to download "King Ralph" on Limewire. It was one of those "poses as an antivirus" virii back when those were a new thing and there were no tools to completely remove them, so as I'm formatting his HDD I asked him "Was it worth it?" "No... ;_;" I mean seriously, why would someone pirate a movie you can find in the Wal-mart bargain bin for $5 or a garage sale for $1?

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;43265789]Friend of mine got a really nasty virus from trying to download "King Ralph" on Limewire. It was one of those "poses as an antivirus" virii back when those were a new thing and there were no tools to completely remove them, so as I'm formatting his HDD I asked him "Was it worth it?" "No... ;_;" I mean seriously, why would someone pirate a movie you can find in the Wal-mart bargain bin for $5 or a garage sale for $1?[/QUOTE] well personally speaking 1) you might not have a dvd drive or a tv, or a dvd reader etc 2) it's easier to pirate a movie than to walk to wal-mart and buy the shit 3) why waste money on a trashmovie to begin with I also personally think that more effort should be spent on services like Netflix that give a better service than pirating shit, since you get it streamed, with subtitles and it's all in one place edit: but yeah since that was probably before the year 2000, netflix didn't even exist. but my point still stands since we're not really talking about the past tho are we

My question is what can we do about it or the local swede's instead of going "ain't it awful" on a forum and forgetting about this man who may as well commit suicide, as far as I'm concerned these corporates and the fucked justice system are murderers, they just use a pen instead of a gun.

[QUOTE=Mooe94;43265838]well personally speaking 1) you might not have a dvd drive or a tv, or a dvd reader etc 2) it's easier to pirate a movie than to walk to wal-mart and buy the shit 3) why waste money on a trashmovie to begin with I also personally think that more effort should be spent on services like Netflix that give a better service than pirating shit, since you get it streamed, with subtitles and it's all in one place edit: but yeah since that was probably before the year 2000, netflix didn't even exist. but my point still stands since we're not really talking about the past tho are we[/QUOTE] 1) He had a DVD player and TV. 2) He goes to Wal-Mart all the time. 3) If he wants to watch if that bad he can damn sure spend <$5 on it, he wasn't exactly down on his luck in those days (making $200 a NIGHT driving trucks).