Lara Croft to be Rape Victim in Upcoming 'Tomb Raider' Video Game - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ataxia;36337423] And too the people saying "oh it's not as bad as murder or genocide! stop complaining!" let me just say this: a) rape IS genocide, want to wipe out a population? better yet, replace it with your own.[/QUOTE] i'm sorry but, you really cannot compare the extinction of an ethnic or cultural group to the sexual violation of a person. rape is incredibly evil, but genocide is far far worse. [editline]16th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;36358194]Again, not now about the themes of rape. It's that the crime is being used cheaply as a transparently shallow ploy to seem 'deep,' and to justify the game mechanics of killing people in droves. It's shitty writing. Fucking amateur-hour stuff. They're not using rape seriously as a facet of the plot, they're just using it to be arbitrarily dark and gritty.[/QUOTE] yeah it is stupidly cheap, i won't deny that.

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;36358211]i'm sorry but, you really cannot compare the extinction of an ethnic or cultural group to the sexual violation of a person. rape is incredibly evil, but genocide is far far worse.[/QUOTE] Actually rape [I]is[/I] a facet of genocide as defined by the UN. For instance, the Conquistadors committed genocide against native Central American indigenous populations by killing the men and enslaving/raping the women. The far-future end result, following the complete destruction of those cultures, was the Mestizo ethnicity, which later got super pissed at the (white) Spaniards and booted them out.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36358232]Actually rape [I]is[/I] a facet of genocide as defined by the UN. For instance, the Conquistadors committed genocide against native Central American indigenous populations by killing the men and enslaving/raping the women. The far-future end result, following the complete destruction of those cultures, was the Mestizo ethnicity, which later got super pissed at the (white) Spaniards and booted them out.[/QUOTE] genocide incites and causes rape, but rape does not EQUAL genocide. that is what Ataxia was implying. Ataxia was implying that rape is as bad as/[I]is[/I] genocide, not that genocide incites/causes rape.

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;36358260]genocide incites and causes rape, but rape does not EQUAL genocide. that is what Ataxia was implying.[/QUOTE] Ataxia was saying that rape is not wholly distinct from genocide. No, not all rape is genocide, but all genocide has had its fair share of rape. There is a correlation between the two. An analogy: Not all policemen are corrupt cops, but all corrupt cops are policemen. The inverse of an idea is not always its opposite.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36358194]Again, it's not about the themes of rape. It's that the crime is being used cheaply as a transparently shallow ploy to seem 'deep,' and to justify the game mechanics of killing people in droves. It's shitty writing. Fucking amateur-hour stuff. They're not using rape seriously as a facet of the plot, they're just using it to be arbitrarily dark and gritty.[/QUOTE] That's more opinion then anything.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;36359854]That's more opinion then anything.[/QUOTE]Its solidly opinion.

[QUOTE=My Infection;36352335]Forget about the rape, she killed the man. I mean what the fuck![/QUOTE] She did!? No wonder why those guys are out on a witch hunt to hang her.

Now that I think about it, implied attempted rape is pretty common in TV and whatnot, even in PG stuff.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;36359854]That's more opinion then anything.[/QUOTE] well thats just like your opinion man

[QUOTE=Cl0cK;36355748]The real controversy should be the amount of quick time events this game appears to have, which is just a terrible way to get a player involved in a game.[/QUOTE] QTE's should be gameplay based without the whole menu or whatever. Like uh... what is it.. right, gameplay. Where you don't push A when it tells you to push A but you simply react and hit A to kill the guy about to slug you.

[QUOTE=Archonos 2;36360261]QTE's should be gameplay based without the whole menu or whatever. Like uh... what is it.. right, gameplay. Where you don't push A when it tells you to push A but you simply react and hit A to kill the guy about to slug you.[/QUOTE]The problem with that is that many events like that would be otherwise impossible because they ask for you to hit buttons that would otherwise do something else, or even randomly generate what to hit. I honestly don't have a problem with Quick-Time Events as long as they are used appropriately and not for some arbitrary reason.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;36360323]The problem with that is that many events like that would be otherwise impossible because they ask for you to hit buttons that would otherwise do something else, or even randomly generate what to hit. I honestly don't have a problem with Quick-Time Events as long as they are used appropriately and not for some arbitrary reason.[/QUOTE] What would be an example of an appropriate use? Would the little things that crawl up on you and rip your suit apart in Dead Space 2 count? The game doesn't make a big deal about it, doesn't affect your gameplay at all. You just get a "Press E" that floats above your head, and jamming it has Isaac rip the things off your suit. Personally I'm okay with events like that, because they're entirely non-intrusive. It's the QTE's that completely interrupt the gameplay, like the QTE's for the quick-kills in [i]Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones[/i] that I have issue with. Just wondering if you consider those appropriate, though. The ones like in DS2.

I hated QTE's in Resident Evil 5, because you never knew if it was just a cutscene before the end of a chapter, or if it was a QTE. So you would sit on the edge of your seat for nothing, or you would relax just to get killed. I hope they make the QTE's noticeable in the game, like not putting widescreen bars on the top before a QTE or something. That way you enjoy the cinematic value and you know when you are going to have to be engaged.

Doesn't it say something about the human race that the _real_ controversy isn't the fact that she'll probably slaughter about 400 human beings in the game. Western people are fucking weird, biggest cock teases when it comes to sexualisation (Lara Croft being the biggest sex kitten in video games) but slip that cock out of tease mode and OH NO, NO NO NO, FILTHY... COVER THAT SHEEEEEIT UP.

[QUOTE=Archonos 2;36346626][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol_-QGlwRqc[/URL] Wait. Was this the trailer everyone is freaking out about? Because I read about this already and the description in there is exactly what I just watched. Man getting beaten up and shot in the face. I see no signs pointing to "she will be raped."[/QUOTE] Man that trailer is trying WAY too hard to be all 'Hollywood' and 'Cinematic'. Deep down you can see in amongst all of the split-framing and jittery cuts that it's just classic Tomb Raider gameplay with fiddly controls and spastic camera angles, only this time it looks like we have interactive cutscenes and maybe quicktime events. Hmm...

I'm not going to bother reading 10 pages, but I would see this as a huge step down for Lara as a character, she was always the strongest and smartest. But then I saw the actual trailer and nothing happened, and she completely destroyed the guy. Sensationalist news title if I ever saw one.

[QUOTE=patq911;36361384]I'm not going to bother reading 10 pages, but I would see this as a huge step down for Lara as a character, she was always the strongest and smartest.[/QUOTE]You do know that this is a prequel, right? This is the story of how she actually becomes the Lara Croft everyone knows her as now. How she goes from innocent girl to tomb raider.

I'm mixed about this. This could be really good. OR REALLY FUCKING BAD.

[QUOTE=Swilly;36361753]I'm mixed about this. This could be really good. OR REALLY FUCKING BAD.[/QUOTE] How could it be really fucking bad when she simply gets stabbed if you fail the event? They're not putting full on nude interactive rape gamemode, relax and stop overreacting.

I think rape, even in a cutscene could mesh pretty well with a serious storyline... but to have in a quicktime event? Just winds up making it gamey and tacky, and ergo sort of offensive.

I bet this will be brought up in a negative way by the woman doing the women in video games tropes kickstarter.

[QUOTE=Yukinari;36368537]I bet this will be brought up in a negative way by the woman doing the women in video games tropes kickstarter.[/QUOTE] No one gives a shit about her though. From her tv tropes videos it's almost obvious nothing will please her. Women are underdeveloped? BAD. Women are developed and are main character of the story? BAD. Rape happens in real life, it's reality. Stories borrow from reality. I especially love how in the end of some of her videos she goes "See directors, lets not do this mistake again", yeah like they care or give a shit.

[QUOTE=Keelwar;36360734]I hated QTE's in Resident Evil 5, because you never knew if it was just a cutscene before the end of a chapter, or if it was a QTE. So you would sit on the edge of your seat for nothing, or you would relax just to get killed. I hope they make the QTE's noticeable in the game, like not putting widescreen bars on the top before a QTE or something. That way you enjoy the cinematic value and you know when you are going to have to be engaged.[/QUOTE] Actually in RE5, if I remember correctly, there would be a quick flash before a QTE. I think they would make QTEs noticeable, since there will be a lot, and nobody wants to see Lara die when they could've just pressed a button or moved a joystick.

I've posted my opinion in the other thread: [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1190735&p=36372729&viewfull=1#post36372729[/url]

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;36365528]How could it be really fucking bad when she simply gets stabbed if you fail the event? They're not putting full on nude interactive rape gamemode, relax and stop overreacting.[/QUOTE] IT could belittle the actual experience if the acting is corny enough. It could insult those who've gone through it.

Should Quake 4 be banned for the stroggification process then? That was hard to watch too. While rape is much harder to watch in fiction than killing, ethically, killing is worse. Most people joke about how they would rather die than be raped, but people tend to take rape over death, hence rape can be committed at gunpoint. If they got too raw with it, there's no way that I personally would buy it, because I can barely handle Game of Thrones, but I think they are entitled to their freedom of artistic expression, even if it is a fucked up scene.

[QUOTE=Lord_Ragnarok;36379091]Should Quake 4 be banned for the stroggification process then? That was hard to watch too. While rape is much harder to watch in fiction than killing, ethically, killing is worse. Most people joke about how they would rather die than be raped, but people tend to take rape over death, hence rape can be committed at gunpoint. If they got too raw with it, there's no way that I personally would buy it, because I can barely handle Game of Thrones, but I think they are entitled to their freedom of artistic expression, even if it is a fucked up scene.[/QUOTE] Game of Thrones and the like doesn't use rape as a cheap ploy. Nor is anyone saying government should intervene in any case. And if you're trying to say that regular old violence in video games isn't tasteless, uhh?

[QUOTE=Lankist;36379271]Game of Thrones and the like doesn't use rape as a cheap ploy. Nor is anyone saying government should intervene in any case. And if you're trying to say that regular old violence in video games isn't tasteless, uhh?[/QUOTE]You feel its a cheap ploy, and others say its a character development point. What, should the young girl who has basically never killed anything before in her life just kill them indiscriminately? Traveling through the woods on this island, sees a group of men, and thinks "Ohh, well obviously their bad people and I must kill them!" A little motivation isn't a bad thing.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;36380947]You feel its a cheap ploy, and others say its a character development point. What, should the young girl who has basically never killed anything before in her life just kill them indiscriminately? Traveling through the woods on this island, sees a group of men, and thinks "Ohh, well obviously their bad people and I must kill them!" A little motivation isn't a bad thing.[/QUOTE] maybe a young girl shouldn't be killing people indiscriminately [editline]18th June 2012[/editline] literally, you're just trying to justify gameplay with rape right now.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36380976]maybe a young girl shouldn't be killing people indiscriminately [editline]18th June 2012[/editline] literally, you're just trying to justify gameplay with rape right now.[/QUOTE]You know what, if you're going to be stupid about this, I'll be patronizing. Yeah, I think rape is great, everyone needs rape. All video game characters should be raped. Episode 3 needs to have Gordon getting raped by the Gman in a flashback to show why he is so good with firearms. The Gears of War prequel should show all of the main characters get raped in prison. Rape is for everyone! Seriously, can you actually explain why using just the allusion to potential rape is automatically a cheap ploy? Not even showing it, just alluding to it as a potential that never occurs.