Lara Croft to be Rape Victim in Upcoming 'Tomb Raider' Video Game - Polidicks

[QUOTE=goon165;36337221] Because I expect it to be some softcore copout and this bullshit to be just LOL BUY OUR GAME AND WATCH LARA CROFT GET RAPED LOLOLOLOLOLOL WHY CAN'T I HOLD ALL THIS HYPE!? [/QUOTE] softcore copout? who the fuck is going to animate an actual rape scene? imagine being given that job as an animator.

[QUOTE=The golden;36337233]In their defense, why would they need to put a high-detail rape cutscene in a series that is about platforming.[/QUOTE] they wouldn't, but if you put a rape scene in something it better be at the very least unsettling.

[QUOTE=The golden;36337215]I fail to understand how you can liken rape to prostitution.[/QUOTE] You're missing the point. You're saying a video game like, for instance, the original Call of Duty, is somehow better than a game that has any form of rape because rape is "physical and mental torture". Do you understand what PTSD is? Do you, in your sheltered, safe, life, understand that war is so destructive to a persons' mental and emotional safety that some many veterans end up killing themselves because of it? I'm not saying rape is good, but saying that rape is wrong in games but murder and war are okay is ignorance. When you lose a friend to PTSD and he almost commits suicide, you realize that war and killing a man is no joking matter. Maybe you haven't realized that yet. Go out and talk to a Vietnam War veteran and ask him how fun killing little kids was.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36337244]You're saying a video game like, for instance, the original Call of Duty, is somehow better than a game that has any form of rape[/QUOTE] what the fuck are you talking about?

She doesn't ACTUALLY get raped. It says attempted, so it's probably just that bit from the tralier where that bloke starts groping her.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36337258]what the fuck are you talking about?[/QUOTE] The whole concept of war. Killing a man. It's the same thing as being raped in a video game. You're just desensitized to it because video games have had "killing" since day 1.

[QUOTE=goon165;36337221]Honestly I want to play this scene and get Bad end, Not because I want to watch someone get raped, but to see how far they actually go with it. Because I expect it to be some softcore copout and this bullshit to be just LOL BUY OUR GAME AND WATCH LARA CROFT GET RAPED LOLOLOLOLOLOL WHY CAN'T I HOLD ALL THIS HYPE!? Prove me wrong developers.[/QUOTE] I hope you're joking, unless you like watching simulated rape. Japan has quite a few games you might like though. :v:

[QUOTE=The golden;36337157]Ok, I'm sorry but I'm going to have to point this one line out as it is just fucking stupid. Rape is physical and mental torture. So much so that many rape victims actually turn to suicide to end the suffering.[/QUOTE] jesus christ it's a video game. I don't see anyone bitching about it when it's portrayed in other medias (unless it was badly written) How about growing up a bit?

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36337272]The whole concept of war. Killing a man. It's the same thing as being raped in a video game. You're just desensitized to it because video games have had "killing" since day 1.[/QUOTE] okay but he never ever said a game is better than another game just because it lacks a depiction of rape. i don't know where you got that from

[QUOTE=ADT;36337284]jesus christ it's a video game How about growing up a bit?[/QUOTE] It's not even that it's a video game. It's that he refuses to understand that just because he kills innocent civilians in GTAV for chuckles, that's just as bad as having a game with rape in it. He says that adding rape to it makes it bad because of the effects it has on real victims, yet he refuses to say that war is bad in games, even though victims of war or people who witness murders of family usually develop PTSD and kill themselves just like some rape victims. But of course killing in games is fine because it's been here since the beginning! I think that killing in games is fine, because it's just a game. That's why I think that a rape in a game is fine too, because to allow one in and not the other is ignorant. Stop making death and killing people sound like it's not an awful thing. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;36337296]okay but he never ever said a game is better than another game just because it lacks a depiction of rape. i don't know where you got that from[/QUOTE] He said that this crossed the lines. If we really want to argue semantics, lets say that he only likes a select few video games. I will bet money that any game he claims to enjoy involves him killing another player or person.

I think it's good to include controversial topics like this, if done right it can even be therapeutic to rape victims to see that such topics aren't being shamed and shunned.

ugh rape is the new dead parents want a strong, independent female protagonist? just add rape and she'll be sympathetic and incredibly strong-willed, not to mention incredibly tragic!!!! it makes me sick that something as incredibly wrong as rape has become such a cliche in works starring female protagonists. If you want to use rape in your story, you have to be really fucking careful about it, otherwise you just come off as a sensationalist pretentious douchebag. You know what the opposite of "being careful" about it is? Going all over news sites and bragging about your rape scene as a selling point. Not to mention said "incredibly sodeep rape scene" is a two-second qte where a man grabs Laura and if you fail the qte she dies. It's that kind of hamfisted treatment that's completely ruining my outlook for this game. Yeah, it looks like a cool game and it could have an interesting story of a "pre-badass" Laura Croft, but god dammit if the first thing you do is hop on the rape train and then start bragging about it in your advertising campaign, all that does is make me not want to support you because you are a gigantic moronic tool. also [QUOTE=KingKombat;36337101]I guess it's too different in the sense that Lara has always been this strong female lead who was a badass, however that image went right down the drain after the replaced her boobs with skin balloons. [/QUOTE] What the fuck are YOU talking about? Laura's always had gigantic knockers, from day one. That's what made her so iconic in the first place.

Please stop throwing this out of proportion. As in the trailer she gets slightly felt up. Then she fights back and kills the guy. For gods sake it probably wont be a QTE. It probably will be a cut-scene. I doubt that they will actually show her getting raped.

as in never shining a spotlight on bad things that can happen to people can make them feel more outcast and shamed [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] my automerge :(

[QUOTE=ADT;36337056]Poor poor video game character[/QUOTE] For the love of God, will someone PLEASE think of the pixels?!

[QUOTE=The Calzone;36337327]ugh rape is the new dead parents want a strong, independent female protagonist? just add rape and she'll be sympathetic and incredibly strong-willed, not to mention incredibly tragic!!!! it makes me sick that something as incredibly wrong as rape has become such a cliche in works starring female protagonists. If you want to use rape in your story, you have to be really fucking careful about it, otherwise you just come off as a sensationalist pretentious douchebag. You know what the opposite of "being careful" about it is? Going all over news sites and bragging about your rape scene as a selling point. Not to mention said "incredibly sodeep rape scene" is a two-second qte where a man grabs Laura and if you fail the qte she dies. It's that kind of hamfisted treatment that's completely ruining my outlook for this game. Yeah, it looks like a cool game and it could have an interesting story of a "pre-badass" Laura Croft, but god dammit if the first thing you do is hop on the rape train and then start bragging about it in your advertising campaign, all that does is make me not want to support you because you are a gigantic moronic tool. also What the fuck are YOU talking about? Laura's always had gigantic knockers, from day one. That's what made her so iconic in the first place.[/QUOTE] I don't see any game company, at all, not one, bragging about rape scenes. Hell, I haven't seen a game with a female that was raped. Why is it, like I said before, that rape is incredibly wrong as plot development, but murder is okay? Are you saying that war, murder and death are all hunkie-dorie, PG stuff, but rape is awful? Like I said before, if you step away from the games and look at death from the same standpoint you are with the rape, then you'll see that it's just as bad, if not worse.

[QUOTE=ADT;36337284]jesus christ it's a video game. I don't see anyone bitching about it when it's portrayed in other medias [b](unless it was badly written)[/b] How about growing up a bit?[/QUOTE] this is the problem, most videogames are about as well written as a twilight fanfiction i think before videogames should depict such heavy stuff, they should be given more time to evolve as a medium and prove that they can handle other issues without hamfisting it

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36337348]I don't see any game company, at all, not one, bragging about rape scenes. Hell, I haven't seen a game with a female that was raped. Why is it, like I said before, that rape is incredibly wrong as plot development, but murder is? Are you saying that war, murder and death are all hunkie-dorie, PG stuff, but rape is awful? Like I said before, if you step away from the games and look at death from the same standpoint you are with the rape, then you'll see that it's just as bad, if not worse.[/QUOTE] This whole politically correct thing is bullshit.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36337309] He said that this crossed the lines. If we really want to argue semantics, lets say that he only likes a select few video games. I will bet money that any game he claims to enjoy involves him killing another player or person.[/QUOTE] he didn't say any of that, let me recreate this conversation arc for you since you obviously didn't read anything he wrote. [quote] Here's the thing. Everyone says rape is awful, but rape is no worse than murder, genocide, being forced into prostitution, or whatever.[/quote] false equivalency but okay [quote]Ok, I'm sorry but I'm going to have to point this one line out as it is just fucking stupid. Rape is physical and mental torture. So much so that many rape victims actually turn to suicide to end the suffering.[/quote] and here he points out that false equivalency by saying that the depiction of rape is very different than the depiction of murder in a videogame, to which you reply. [quote]Are you telling me survivors of the Syrian massacres, or veterans of The Vietnam War got off easy compared to Lara after she was slightly felt up in that video?[/quote] which is the craziest response ever!! there's a huge difference between a survivor of a real massacre and a videogame where you shoot completely unrealistic and non-existent people, and within that the depiction of rape and the emotion it's trying to convey is also completely different from either of those fucking things!! so WTF?

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36337348]I don't see any game company, at all, not one, bragging about rape scenes. Hell, I haven't seen a game with a female that was raped. Why is it, like I said before, that rape is incredibly wrong as plot development, but murder is? Are you saying that war, murder and death are all hunkie-dorie, PG stuff, but rape is awful? Like I said before, if you step away from the games and look at death from the same standpoint you are with the rape, then you'll see that it's just as bad, if not worse.[/QUOTE] no sir I'm saying that rape as a part of a woman protagonist's backstory is becoming incredibly cliche, which I do not approve of. It isn't something that people should become desensitized to. The fact that it's a video game has nothing to do with it.

[QUOTE=Revan564;36337283]I hope you're joking, unless you like watching simulated rape. Japan has quite a few games you might like though. :v:[/QUOTE] No, If they're going to pull a stunt like this they better back it up or frankly it would be insult to the legitimacy of the medium.

[QUOTE=Derpmonster;36337354]This whole politically correct thing is bullshit.[/QUOTE] The only reason they're not okay with rape in games, but they are okay with killing people is because we've been playing games ever since we first started that involved death or killing. Death isn't good, and murder outright is plain disgusting, I think moreso than rape if you look at it from the standpoint of "oh look, some random civilians in GTA, let me run them over." Of course, when we kill all those people, we don't think about it because we've done it all our lives. Now we are shown something different and people freak out. Yeah, rape is bad, but if you're saying it's bad because of the real life implications, then almost every game out there is just as bad because in real life, victims of these things like massacres and genocides are sometimes much worse off than rape victims.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36337348]I don't see any game company, at all, not one, bragging about rape scenes. [/QUOTE] you're in a thread in which a developer is announcing a depiction of rape in their upcoming game. unless i'm mistaken and developers want to sabotage their own hype and sales, i'm pretty sure he's trying to convince you that the game is good and worth playing

[QUOTE=The Calzone;36337363]no sir I'm saying that rape as a part of a woman protagonist's backstory is becoming incredibly cliche, which I do not approve of. It isn't something that people should become desensitized to. The fact that it's a video game has nothing to do with it.[/QUOTE] Rape of a woman in backstory has only been talked about in TV shows. Not once has it been in a video game. In my opinion it is cliche if its backstory. Although, in the moment if it is happening in front of you on a show or game. It causes emotions to come out. That's probably what they are trying for.

[QUOTE=The Calzone;36337363]no sir I'm saying that rape as a part of a woman protagonist's backstory is becoming incredibly cliche, which I do not approve of. It isn't something that people should become desensitized to. The fact that it's a video game has nothing to do with it.[/QUOTE] attempted rape is a always a part of a girls rite of passage to womanhood

[QUOTE=The Calzone;36337363]no sir I'm saying that rape as a part of a woman protagonist's backstory is becoming incredibly cliche, which I do not approve of. It isn't something that people should become desensitized to. The fact that it's a video game has nothing to do with it.[/QUOTE] Why can't we be desensitized to rape but we can be desensitized to murder and death? I mean, look at any game. Do you think twice before beheading a guy in Skyrim? Do you think about the kids that are watching in the Jarls' palace? No, because it's a game and you're desensitized to it. Rape is not any worse than murdering a man in front of children.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36337377]The only reason they're not okay with rape in games, but they are okay with killing people is because we've been playing games ever since we first started that involved death or killing. Death isn't good, and murder outright is plain disgusting, I think moreso than rape if you look at it from the standpoint of "oh look, some random civilians in GTA, let me run them over." Of course, when we kill all those people, we don't think about it because we've done it all our lives. Now we are shown something different and people freak out. Yeah, rape is bad, but if you're saying it's bad because of the real life implications, then almost every game out there is just as bad because in real life, victims of these things like massacres and genocides are sometimes much worse off than rape victims.[/QUOTE] This goes back to how people cannot accept change. Anything new to them humanity pushes aside or demonizes.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36337379]you're in a thread in which a developer is announcing a depiction of rape in their upcoming game. unless i'm mistaken and developers want to sabotage their own hype and sales, i'm pretty sure he's trying to convince you that the game is good and worth playing[/QUOTE] exactly. if the developers wanted to have it be shocking, they wouldn't be going around to news sites announcing it and citing it as a major part of the game.

[QUOTE=Hamsterjuice;36337349]this is the problem, most videogames are about as well written as a twilight fanfiction i think before videogames should depict such heavy stuff, they should be given more time to evolve as a medium and prove that they can handle other issues without hamfisting it[/QUOTE] That's where I do agree with you that rape scenes/topics shouldn't be taken lightly unless the writers know what they're talking about. I don't mind such topics being present, but only if they fit with the current setting of the game (and that just don't pop out of nowhere, with no sense)

[QUOTE=The Calzone;36337389]exactly. if the developers wanted to have it be shocking, they wouldn't be going around to news sites announcing it and citing it as a major part of the game.[/QUOTE] From what I gather, it's a big deal because this is supposed to be the first time she ever kills someone.