Lara Croft to be Rape Victim in Upcoming 'Tomb Raider' Video Game - Polidicks

[QUOTE=thisispain;36337379]you're in a thread in which a developer is announcing a depiction of rape in their upcoming game. unless i'm mistaken and developers want to sabotage their own hype and sales, i'm pretty sure he's trying to convince you that the game is good and worth playing[/QUOTE] Do you even know what you're arguing?

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36337385] Rape is not any worse than murdering a man in front of children.[/QUOTE] again there's a difference between rape in a videogame and an extremely unrealistic representation of murder. [QUOTE=Derpmonster;36337386]This goes back to how people cannot accept change. Anything new to them humanity pushes aside or demonizes.[/QUOTE] uh

[QUOTE=thisispain;36337403]uh[/QUOTE] Did you even read what I had responded to?

[QUOTE=ADT;36337395]That's where I do agree with you that rape scenes/topics shouldn't be taken lightly unless the writers know what they're talking about.[/QUOTE] That should be the case with any scene that involves anything that is adult material. If you are taking caution when writing a rape scene as to not make a rape victim commit suicide, why don't you take caution when writing a war scene as to not make PTSD victims commit suicide? You can't have one without the other. You treat all victims of all tragedies the same, regardless of if it's rape or war, and that's not happening.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36337403]again there's a difference between rape in a videogame and an extremely unrealistic representation of murder.[/QUOTE] Good thing none of that has nothing to do with anything we're talking about.

*sigh* I really hate how every single person posting in this thread is a male who has never experienced anything close to rape, or even whats depicted in the game. Seriously, you guys have no clue what you're talking about and any "facts" you have are bullshit studies that vary as much as what gives you cancer. So honestly, whether this sort of thing should be in a video game or not should be left to the artists and writers, it's their work and creation and if they feel like including this then so be it. And too the people saying "oh it's not as bad as murder or genocide! stop complaining!" let me just say this: a) rape IS genocide, want to wipe out a population? better yet, replace it with your own. b) from what I've felt, and know other women in my life have felt, murder would be a mercy in comparison. So seriously, if you don't have personal first hand knowledge, please stop bitching about this stuff, it's not your place or right.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36337403]again there's a difference between rape in a videogame and an extremely unrealistic representation of murder.[/QUOTE] Because every video game with shooting and killing shows an unrealistic representation of murder... [video=youtube;zv3oiTSi-xo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv3oiTSi-xo[/video]

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;36337401]Do you even know what you're arguing?[/QUOTE] it should be pretty easy to see what i'm arguing, which is that this rape shtick is a pretty silly at making a shocking news story and generating marketing hype. i don't agree that it's the next step in writing good plots or characters, and i really doubt the game will treat it as anything more than just a QTE. i could be wrong, but i've played a lot of tomb raider games, and the plot was definitely not the reason why anybody played them. i'm also the fan of the series so it irks me when they make a big deal about this.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36337385]Why can't we be desensitized to rape but we can be desensitized to murder and death? I mean, look at any game. Do you think twice before beheading a guy in Skyrim? Do you think about the kids that are watching in the Jarls' palace? No, because it's a game and you're desensitized to it. Rape is not any worse than murdering a man in front of children.[/QUOTE] Again you're bringing up the unnecessary parallel. I'm not talking about the act itself, I'm talking about the presentation. The Devs of this game are dick-waving their rape scene and that isn't the proper way to handle things. This has nothing to do with the fact that it's a video game, it's about the way that the devs are parading around the deepness of their game instead of letting players feel it for themselves. What they're doing right now is fucking stupid and does not bode well for their game. [QUOTE=Ataxia;36337423]*sigh* I really hate how every single person posting in this thread is a male who has never experienced anything close to rape, or even whats depicted in the game. Seriously, you guys have no clue what you're talking about and any "facts" you have are bullshit studies that vary as much as what gives you cancer. So honestly, whether this sort of thing should be in a video game or not should be left to the artists and writers, it's their work and creation and if they feel like including this then so be it. And too the people saying "oh it's not as bad as murder or genocide! stop complaining!" let me just say this: a) rape IS genocide, want to wipe out a population? better yet, replace it with your own. b) from what I've felt, and know other women in my life have felt, murder would be a mercy in comparison. So seriously, if you don't have personal first hand knowledge, please stop bitching about this stuff, it's not your place or right.[/QUOTE] right, because as a 2brutish manpig I have absolutely no right to sympathize with women, nor do I have the right to disapprove of the depiction of rape as a marketing ploy

[QUOTE=Ataxia;36337423]*sigh* I really hate how every single person posting in this thread is a male who has never experienced anything close to rape, or even whats depicted in the game. Seriously, you guys have no clue what you're talking about and any "facts" you have are bullshit studies that vary as much as what gives you cancer.[/QUOTE] This is generalised ignorance that has absolutely no baring on what anyone in this thread has said.

[QUOTE=Ataxia;36337423]*sigh* I really hate how every single person posting in this thread is a male who has never experienced anything close to rape, or even whats depicted in the game. Seriously, you guys have no clue what you're talking about and any "facts" you have are bullshit studies that vary as much as what gives you cancer. So honestly, whether this sort of thing should be in a video game or not should be left to the artists and writers, it's their work and creation and if they feel like including this then so be it. And too the people saying "oh it's not as bad as murder or genocide! stop complaining!" let me just say this: a) rape IS genocide, want to wipe out a population? better yet, replace it with your own. b) from what I've felt, and know other women in my life have felt, murder would be a mercy in comparison. So seriously, if you don't have personal first hand knowledge, please stop bitching about this stuff, it's not your place or right.[/QUOTE] I agree with this. Although she gets touched for [B]TWO[/B] seconds in the video then proceeds to kick his ass. I do not call that rape. Sure, he might have been trying to but, it did [I]not[/I] happen. Rape is a horrible thing, so is murder/torture. We shouldn't blow this out of proportion though.

[QUOTE=Ataxia;36337423]*sigh* I really hate how every single person posting in this thread is a male who has never experienced anything close to rape, or even whats depicted in the game. Seriously, you guys have no clue what you're talking about and any "facts" you have are bullshit studies that vary as much as what gives you cancer. So honestly, whether this sort of thing should be in a video game or not should be left to the artists and writers, it's their work and creation and if they feel like including this then so be it. And too the people saying "oh it's not as bad as murder or genocide! stop complaining!" let me just say this: a) rape IS genocide, want to wipe out a population? better yet, replace it with your own. b) from what I've felt, and know other women in my life have felt, murder would be a mercy in comparison. So seriously, if you don't have personal first hand knowledge, please stop bitching about this stuff, it's not your place or right.[/QUOTE] Rape is not gender specific. Men can be raped too. Don't pull that card and say that you know more about the effects or rape when male rape victims exist as well. I'm also not saying that rape isn't bad, I'm saying that watching someone die or having to kill a man is just as bad. I know you know women who say that murder would be mercy, but they've never been raped. I have a friend who struggled with PTSD after he returned from his tours and he nearly killed himself. He tried hanging himself but the rope snapped. I know firsthand the damage that occurs to victims of war, and while I'm not saying rape is a lesser pain, I'm saying that you shouldn't make rape seem worse than everything else in the world because, yes it's god awful, but so is having to kill people, watching your friends die, and the lot.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36337439]it should be pretty easy to see what i'm arguing, which is that this rape shtick is a pretty silly at making a shocking news story and generating marketing hype. i don't agree that it's the next step in writing good plots or characters, and i really doubt the game will treat it as anything more than just a QTE. i could be wrong, but i've played a lot of tomb raider games, and the plot was definitely not the reason why anybody played them. i'm also the fan of the series so it irks me when they make a big deal about this.[/QUOTE] So in your opinion they're doing this just for hype? That's a pretty stupid basis for an argument, unless you have some sort of proof then it's unwarranted. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=The Calzone;36337440]The Devs of this game are dick-waving their rape scene and that isn't the proper way to handle things. [/quote] Except they're uh you know not

[QUOTE=Revan564;36337429]Because every video game with shooting and killing shows an unrealistic representation of murder...[/QUOTE] there's a difference between graphic and realistic. a murder isn't a horrible thing because blood or guts come out of someone. it's horrible because (well this is based on your personal morality) a conscious being with a strong effect on someone else is removed from the planet and causes great strife to the people that cared about them. that doesn't happen in videogames on any huge basis and it would be silly to say that a scene where someone is graphically killed would illicit the same emotional response as an actual murder. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Governor Goblin;36337452] That's a pretty stupid basis for an argument[/QUOTE] if it's such a stupid basis for an argument then you shouldn't have any trouble arguing against it.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36337451] I'm saying that you shouldn't make rape seem worse than everything else in the world because, yes it's god awful, but so is having to kill people, watching your friends die, and the lot.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Loriborn;36337451]Rape is not gender specific.[/QUOTE] This is what people seem to forget. They generalize rape as it only happening to females. (Not all but most) People also think so casually of murder in comparison on rape.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36337451]Rape is not gender specific. Men can be raped too. Don't pull that card and say that you know more about the effects or rape when male rape victims exist as well. I'm also not saying that rape isn't bad, I'm saying that watching someone die or having to kill a man is just as bad. [B]I know you know women who say that murder would be mercy, but they've never been raped[/B]. I have a friend who struggled with PTSD after he returned from his tours and he nearly killed himself. He tried hanging himself but the rope snapped. I know firsthand the damage that occurs to victims of war, and while I'm not saying rape is a lesser pain, I'm saying that you shouldn't make rape seem worse than everything else in the world because, yes it's god awful, but so is having to kill people, watching your friends die, and the lot.[/QUOTE] subtext dude, holy shit

Am I the only person who does not give a shit? I mean come on, I don't like rape obviously but it's just a fucking video game. Rarely will a game ever make me gasp due to an unexpectedly violent gesture, you're playing a video game. You should be ready for anything.

[QUOTE=mixshifter;36337485]Am I the only person who does not give a shit? I mean come on, I don't like rape obviously but it's just a fucking video game. Rarely will a game ever make me gasp due to an unexpectedly violent gesture, you're playing a video game. You should be ready for anything.[/QUOTE] As I have been saying: People are blowing this out of proportion.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;36337475]subtext dude, holy shit[/QUOTE] She doesn't imply she know's rape victims, she said that she talked to friends that would prefer to die than be raped. "Yeah, I'd rather be killed than be raped." Doesn't mean she knows a rape victim. Even if she does, my point still stands, a PTSD victim and a rape victim are two peas in the same pod and if you're going to say that rape in games is bad because of rape victims, war is bad in games because of war victims.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36337490]She doesn't imply she know's rape victims, she said that she talked to friends that would prefer to die than be raped. "Yeah, I'd rather be killed than be raped." Doesn't mean she knows a rape victim. Even if she does, my point still stands, a PTSD victim and a rape victim are two peas in the same pod and if you're going to say that rape in games is bad because of rape victims, war is bad in games because of war victims.[/QUOTE] no i'm p. sure she's implying that

[QUOTE=mixshifter;36337485]Am I the only person who does not give a shit?[/QUOTE] well sure it's not a big deal but it's still kind of silly. i mean considering how quick developer comments spread across the internet they seem to be pretty keen on being "that one game that had attempted rape". well at least she has pants now. that's a big step!

[QUOTE=thisispain;36337500]well at least she has pants now. that's a big step![/QUOTE] This doesn't even make any sense.

Why are you guys arguing about a non-existent rape scene ?

[QUOTE=TheHydra;36337494]no i'm p. sure she's implying that[/QUOTE] Regardless, how does that make her point any more relevant? I'm not arguing that rape isn't bad. Yes, I know that rape victims enter depression, sometimes commit suicide, trust issues, and the lot, but what I'm saying is that people who have survived other tragedies are going to be suicidal, be paranoid, have trust issues, and sometimes even mental breakdowns.

[QUOTE=FuzzyPoop;36337512]Why are you guys arguing about a non-existent rape scene ?[/QUOTE] because the exec. producer said it's a rape scene

[QUOTE=thisispain;36337500]well sure it's not a big deal but it's still kind of silly. i mean considering how quick developer comments spread across the internet they seem to be pretty keen on being "that one game that had attempted rape". well at least she has pants now. that's a big step![/QUOTE] But even from what you're saying it's not the developers themselves blowing this up, it's the viewers and internet users. I don't see articles everywhere quoting devs doing all these interviews showing off their shiny rape scene. It's not even a real rape scene, from the video, it looks like a dude tries to rub her side and she kicks him in the dick. It's not a big deal, it's not going to revolutionize storytelling in video games, and a year after release nobody is going to remember or care.

[QUOTE=Derpmonster;36337506]This doesn't even make any sense.[/QUOTE] do you know anything about tomb raider? the old [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/56/Tomb_Raider_-_Underworld.png[/img] the new [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/New_Lara_Croft.jpg[/img] they got rid of the short shorts and gave her pants.

[QUOTE=Bentham;36337522][B]But even from what you're saying it's not the developers themselves blowing this up, it's the viewers and internet users. I don't see articles everywhere quoting devs doing all these interviews showing off their shiny rape scene.[/B] It's not even a real rape scene, from the video, it looks like a dude tries to rub her side and she kicks him in the dick. It's not a big deal, it's not going to revolutionize storytelling in video games, and a year after release nobody is going to remember or care.[/QUOTE] did you even read the first post

[QUOTE=thisispain;36337524]do you know anything about tomb raider? the old [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/56/Tomb_Raider_-_Underworld.png[/img] the new [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/New_Lara_Croft.jpg[/img] they got rid of the short shorts and gave her pants.[/QUOTE] Maybe she'll be sliding down a muddy bank and the pant legs will tear off. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=TheHydra;36337527]did you even read the first post[/QUOTE] Missed that, my apologies.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36337462]there's a difference between graphic and realistic. a murder isn't a horrible thing because blood or guts come out of someone. it's horrible because (well this is based on your personal morality) a conscious being with a strong effect on someone else is removed from the planet and causes great strife to the people that cared about them. that doesn't happen in videogames on any huge basis and it would be silly to say that a scene where someone is graphically killed would illicit the same emotional response as an actual murder.[/QUOTE] I'm really confused about what you're trying to argue. What you said about the strong effect of death and murder was shown in that video with the kid and his parents. It's supposed to give you an emotional response but you're apparently not seeing it and instead looking at the blood.