Lara Croft to be Rape Victim in Upcoming 'Tomb Raider' Video Game - Polidicks

[QUOTE=The golden;36337038]Because rape is (arguably) up there in terms of being the ultimate form of physical and mental torture. It can physically and mentally destroy someone for the rest of their life. A person who is dead no longer feels anything. A rape victim is haunted for the rest of their life.[/QUOTE] So the torture scene at the start of World at War was unacceptable? I mean, watching a guy have a cigarette shoved into his eye is pretty fucked up. Or, better yet, how about any of the atrocities we commit as gamers? If gaming is to advance much as movies have and become a more intriguing form of entertainment and storytelling, then audiences should embrace games approaching reality a bit more. We've had games where heroes go on for years of killing aliens and shit without ever taking a wound. That doesn't happen in reality. If you're trying to tell a semi-realistic story, indulging in something that happens fairly often and is a very visceral, life-changing event for the sake of the plot is worth it. The characters, story and experience overall tend to be better for it.

Good god where was all this fervor when Heavy Rain came out? Heavy rain: -Forced to strip down at gunpoint -Can be "drilled" -Rape ninjas Tomb Raider: -Can be dragged out of a tunnel -If you get dragged out of the tunnel you get stabbed in the chest. Replace Laura Croft with Drake and the scene is absolutely the same, there aren't any sexual overtones of dialogue to suggest otherwise.

Pfft, big deal. The Japanese have been putting rape in their games for years.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;36341730]Pfft, big deal. The Japanese have been putting rape in their games for years.[/QUOTE] please list AAA japanese titles which realistically depict rape

[QUOTE=geoface;36340757]so what if i don't "help" her....do i get to see lara croft get raped?[/QUOTE] Nope, she just gets stabbed. Like I said in the News Node thread, I'm fine with this. The only thing I don't like is that one dev's statement that guys will want to "protect" her like some creepy father figure. Fuck that, I want to BE her and PROTECT myself. It's a vastly different scenario, less of a "creepy parent" vibe and more of a "badass survivor" vibe.

[QUOTE=Xenomoose;36341822]Like I said in the News Node thread, I'm fine with this. The only thing I don't like is that one dev's statement that guys will want to "protect" her like some creepy father figure. Fuck that, I want to BE her and PROTECT myself. It's a vastly different scenario, less of a "creepy parent" vibe and more of a "badass survivor" vibe.[/QUOTE] yeah now THAT would be something wrong with this, the idea of "protecting" her, totally agree

I'm not gonna make any judgments on it until the game is actually out and in my hands. It could be terrible implemented but it could be totally fine.

[QUOTE=Medevilae;36338271]I'm making the inference from when she says they are "slow to wake, but once they are up you will have a hard time taking them down"[/QUOTE] She's talking about the combine as a whole, not the ones she just killed/knocked out - she obviously had no trouble with those few.

I'm fine with that. Shit, I'd be fine with it if she actually did get full blown raped.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;36342936]I'm fine with that. Shit, I'd be fine with it if she actually did get full blown raped.[/QUOTE] facepunch ladies and gentlemen

[QUOTE=Sanius;36342947]facepunch ladies and gentlemen[/QUOTE] I don't [i]want[/i] Lara Croft to be raped, like, I'm not sitting there with my dick in my hand, but I'm fine with the fact that they want to put rape in there.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;36342936]I'm fine with that. Shit, I'd be fine with it if she actually did get full blown raped.[/QUOTE] seek professional-grade help

[QUOTE=Ownederd;36342993]seek professional-grade help[/QUOTE] oh man I need a therapist I'm okay that something bad could happen to a fictional person should I also seek help if I'm not up in arms over characters I like in games being murdered [editline]edit[/editline] Okay, let's take for example, Fallout 3. [sp]James is forced to kill himself in an attempt to stop the Enclave from getting control of the purifier. He's forced to commit suicide in front of his own son, who can only stand helpless and watch, and who will be forever scarred from it. It's terrible, it extremely sucks that it happened. But it's okay that it did. Not many people enjoyed it. Loads wish it didn't happen, because they like the character. But nobody is up in arms over it, because it's totally fine to make a man kill himself in front of his son in a video game. And it's okay to have a woman get raped in a video game. Bad things happen to video game characters too. Deal with it.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Sanius;36341758]please list AAA japanese titles which realistically depict rape[/QUOTE] The joke being that saying hentai games include rape is probably missing the point.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;36340011]Same reason it's a million times scarier playing Amnesia than watching someone else play it or watching a similar movie. For a movie you can distance yourself and shut down, in a game that gets you fucked up so you have to keep your head in it. Watching someone get raped you don't have to think, in a game you do, and it resonates a lot more. Also games = shit at handling sex, see GTA:SA Hot Coffee. Because death is desensitised in games just from being systemised. Save for the post-Nuke part in CoD4 or the post-traumatic stress induced by Red Orchestra 2, it's far from the realistic act of killing people. Look at deaths of major characters as part of the story, now make it something that isn't so much sacrifice-noble-death bullshit and more traumatic, for your character, and you have to keep playing as them.[/QUOTE] So your example of games not handling sex well is a removed part of a fairly unserious game from 8 years ago? Video games won't advance as an entertainment medium if there is uproar whenever they try and do something different.

It's strange how people say "it's too early for games" bla bla. It will be forever too early if no one does it first. What's the crying about I don't know as rape doesn't happen at all, not even off screen.

Mafia 2 has a "rape scene", when the other inmates try to rape the main character in the prison showers, no actual rape happens but it's strongly hinted and just because it's directed at a male character doesn't make it any less controversial as a female one. If Mafia 2 got away with it (and only hinting at it, which is what supposedly is going to be happening in TR) I don't see why Tomb Raider can't.

[QUOTE=DeanWinchester;36344039]Mafia 2 has a "rape scene", when the other inmates try to rape the main character in the prison showers, no actual rape happens but it's strongly hinted and just because it's directed at a male character doesn't make it any less controversial as a female one. If Mafia 2 got away with it (and only hinting at it, which is what supposedly is going to be happening in TR) I don't see why Tomb Raider can't.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately for some people, the fact it's a male[I] does[/I] make it less controversial.

[QUOTE=mixshifter;36344148]Unfortunately for some people, the fact it's a male[I] does[/I] make it less controversial.[/QUOTE] Because male rape is a joke /sarcasm

Think about it. One pretty, helpless, young woman, captured by a hostile, all-male(?) group. What the fuck do you think is going to happen? No, seriously. The whole basis of the goddamn game is a more realistic Lara. If you have a problem with this, don't cry about games not being as mature/innovative as you want them to be. Controversy is going to be inevitable, yes. However, that shouldn't hinder the damn industry. Movies get away with it all the fucking time. And yeah, I am mad that this is even an issue.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;36342993]seek professional-grade help[/QUOTE] Good job completely taking him out of context.

[QUOTE=The golden;36337038]Because rape is (arguably) up there in terms of being the ultimate form of physical and mental torture. It can physically and mentally destroy someone for the rest of their life. A person who is dead no longer feels anything. A rape victim is haunted for the rest of their life.[/QUOTE] I don't know about you but I'd choose rape over death any day

So, now some random guy touching her side before he stabs her is attempted rape. Wait what?

[QUOTE=Cone;36336980]holy sensationalist title batman from what I know one of the mooks just grabs her, you've given a QTE, and if you fail he just stabs her and she dies straight away. I don't know what's so rape-y about this.[/QUOTE] But, but, but.... SHE GETS PENETRATED WITHOUT CONSENT!

[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;36338925]Rape = the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group What the fuck am I reading[/QUOTE] He (she?) probably meant to say that it's just as traumatic as genocide.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36337014]brilliant, in order for the character to evolve she must be sexually assaulted![/QUOTE] I am sorry the game offends you, how about we petition to change it to her knitting and accidentally stabbing her hand.

[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;36345530]I am sorry the game offends you, how about we petition to change it to her knitting and accidentally stabbing her hand.[/QUOTE] yes that's clearly the only alternative to depicting attempted rape

[QUOTE=Sanius;36345595]yes that's clearly the only alternative to depicting attempted rape[/QUOTE] It's more in reference to this attitude that a story may never contain ____. Even if there was a rape in this game and it was handled in a mature manner I wouldn't have a problem with it. It's not condoning it nor agreeing with it but merely the acknowledgment that it can and has occurred. You aren't condoning Nazism just by watching Downfall.

[QUOTE=Sanius;36345595]yes that's clearly the only alternative to depicting attempted rape[/QUOTE] There shouldn't be an alternative, saying there needs to be one is saying there's something wrong with putting that element in a story.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36337014]brilliant, in order for the character to evolve she must be sexually assaulted![/QUOTE] yeah giving human qualities to female characters isn't the way to go in fact, not only is rape offensive, but so is murder and so is driving over the speed limit, guess we ought to ban every game containing any of those history can be pretty offensive too, I mean look at the holocaust, that shit's horrible let's just gather up all the books we deem offensive or dangerous and burn them while we're at it [editline]asdf[/editline] aren't you one of the people that always goes off on a tirade every time something popular comes under fire? "gosh darn soccer moms! they don't know what they're talking about! even though this has [controversial theme] it was handled with maturity and added to the overall depth of [product]!" you're a soccer mom