Atheists Raise $180,000 for Doctors Without Borders. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Noble;33796522]We've discussed this issue about having to "respect other peoples beliefs" many times in other threads here. It's not intolerance if someone explains to you why your reasoning process that leads you to believe god exists is flawed. Attacking religious people by saying "they're all dumb" would be intolerant, but the beliefs themselves are fair game to be criticized. If someone is sensitive to having their beliefs about god criticized, then I'm afraid that's just too bad. I'm sure holocaust deniers are sensitive to having their beliefs about history criticized, it doesn't change the fact that what they believe is completely wrong and inconsistent with reality.[/QUOTE] Christians are now on the same level as holocaust deniers, joy!

[QUOTE=Noble;33796522]We've discussed this issue about having to "respect other peoples beliefs" many times in other threads here. It's not intolerance if someone explains to you why your reasoning process that leads you to believe god exists is flawed. Attacking religious people by saying "they're all dumb" would be intolerant, but the beliefs themselves are fair game to be criticized. If someone is sensitive to having their beliefs about god criticized, then I'm afraid that's just too bad. I'm sure holocaust deniers are sensitive to having their beliefs about history criticized, it doesn't change the fact that what they believe is completely wrong and inconsistent with reality.[/QUOTE] In your own personal opinion, I would assume. It seems like a fallacy to compare debating whether God exists to whether the Holocaust happened. We have eyewitness accounts, millions of documents, and tangible evidence to say that the Holocaust happened. The reality is in the history. There's no evidence to say that God does or does not exist. I thought the point of believing in something was above what another person considers "reality" anyway. I don't really think someone who chooses to believe in God wants to be told that their "reasoning processes" are flawed.

[QUOTE=scout1;33797904]Christians are now on the same level as holocaust deniers, joy![/QUOTE] Godwin's Law [editline]19th December 2011[/editline] Well not exactly, but still.

[QUOTE=scout1;33797904]Christians are now on the same level as holocaust deniers, joy![/QUOTE] Well, if you deny evolution, then yeah you're on the same level of stupid. The holocaust deniers have an extra kind of callousness associated with them though.

[quote]"I WAS gonna buy some Taco Bell... but screw it," wrote DJW3NCH, who donated $5.00 via firstgiving.com[/quote] The sacrifices some people go through. It's unbearable.

[QUOTE=Garik;33795891]Religious people could easily have taken part in this.[/QUOTE] If I had money, I sure would have. [editline]19th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;33797044]Actually plenty of hardcore Christians hate gays, including people that have risen to areas of significant influence in politics, atleast in America.[/QUOTE] Most of my Christian friends actually have gay friends.

[QUOTE=Lolkork;33798070]Religious people aren't stupid; they're misinformed. You can't really call a person stupid because he believes in something that everyone said to him was true.[/QUOTE] That's true, but when you are presented with compelling evidence to the contrary and you don't change your viewpoint, you are being stupid.

[QUOTE=Turnips5;33798478]That's true, but when you are presented with compelling evidence to the contrary and you don't change your viewpoint, you are being stupid.[/QUOTE] I still wouldn't put them on the same level as holocaust deniers.

[QUOTE=Lolkork;33798070]Religious people aren't stupid; they're misinformed. You can't really call a person stupid because he believes in something that everyone said to him was true.[/QUOTE] misinformed? you realise that it's 2011, right? [editline]p[/editline] misinformation would only be a valid excuse in the dark ages

[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;33798499]I still wouldn't put them on the same level as holocaust deniers.[/QUOTE] There's no real metric for stupid, I must admit.

[QUOTE=Lolkork;33798650]You do realize that there still are whole villages and neighborhoods where everyone are Christian. I think that most people wouldn't question a philosophy if everyone; their parents, siblings, friends and teachers are believing the same thing. [editline]19th December 2011[/editline] E.G. they are brainwashed.[/QUOTE] If they have no access to books or the internet, then fair play, but for the purposes of this discussion I'm assuming we're talking about christians living in first world countries. [editline]19th December 2011[/editline] If you have an internet connection, you have the sum total of humanity's knowledge at your fingertips. Not using it is almost criminal in my eyes.

[quote] *From article* One atheist reached across the divide to ask what the Christians thought about the donation campaign. A redditor calling himself Duke_Newcombe replied: "What do I think? Praise God. And thank you, r/atheism." [/quote] This guy has the right attitude. At the end of the day, thousands were raised through charitable donation. That should be good news no matter what the benefactors believe.

[QUOTE=JumJum;33798305] Most of my Christian friends actually have gay friends.[/QUOTE] I'm not *ist towards x, I have x friends!

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33798927]I'm not *ist towards x, I have x friends![/QUOTE] "some of my best friends are poor"

[QUOTE=Bird;33796635]It's funny, I've never PERSONALLY met a Christian who expressed hate towards atheists or people of other beliefs. On the other hand I've met a lot of atheists hating christians and other religious people.[/QUOTE] I have, my ultra-conservative Christian future in-laws spout shit off about me being a terrible person on a daily basis simply because I do not believe in god.

[QUOTE=Bird;33796635]It's funny, I've never PERSONALLY met a Christian who expressed hate towards atheists or people of other beliefs. On the other hand I've met a lot of atheists hating christians and other religious people.[/QUOTE] Argument from personal experience. [QUOTE=Gmod4ever;33796792]Pretty much this. All of the hardcore Christians I know (about a dozen) are incredibly fun-loving people, very open-minded to everyone's opinions and beliefs, and believe in a coexisting Creationism/Evolution blend (IE God created the first beings, then set into motion natural selection to evolve into what we have today). Whereas at least 80% of the atheists I know (again, about a dozen) are militant antitheists, taking every opportunity they can to shoot down any and all religion (though targeting Christianity) and any and all who believe it, and whenever they find new antithiestic literature to spew, they're all too happy to jump on it and make sure [b]everyone[/b] knows their disdain for it. It gets really fucking annoying.[/QUOTE] "Militant antitheists/atheists" = argues aggressively about and against religion. Mostly over the internet. Militant theists = blows up, shoots and otherwise maims people, oppresses, halts progress, and so on... I'm getting a bit miffed about fucktards throwing this term around, when they aren't actually referring to anything that's even remotely militant.

"I wouldn't really care about this, but it says Atheists in the title so I do!" - Facepunch

[QUOTE=Taishu;33799870]Argument from personal experience. "Militant antitheists/atheists" = argues aggressively about and against religion. Mostly over the internet. Militant theists = blows up, shoots and otherwise maims people, oppresses, halts progress, and so on... I'm getting a bit miffed about fucktards throwing this term around, when they aren't actually referring to anything that's even remotely militant.[/QUOTE] You can tell someone is wrong when they use the words "militant atheism" seriously. It's a misnomer created by fundamentalist Christians to scare people to their side after atheists finally starting combating their practices in public view after hundreds of years of ideological monopoly.

to be a militant christian you have to blow up an abortion clinic to be a militant atheist you have to write a few angry words about religion on a blog

[QUOTE=Turnips5;33800089]to be a militant christian you have to yell at some gay dude while holding up signs to be a militant atheist you have to write a few angry words about religion on a blog[/QUOTE] FTFY

[QUOTE=Scoot12;33800121]FTFY[/QUOTE] Why would people call that militant Christianity when we have so many other wonderful examples of violence perpetrated in it's name?

[QUOTE=Scoot12;33800121]FTFY[/QUOTE] actually no, nobody uses the phrase "militant christian", they're "extremists"

[QUOTE=Scoot12;33800121]FTFY[/QUOTE] That's just an activist christian. The point of the "militant" addition to the adjective, is to make it clear that this is an extreme case. The point being that the most militant of Christians target abortion clinics and doctors with violence in the name of their religion, while the "extremist" atheists circle-jerk on the internet over pictures of the prophet, or whine about the mistreatment of fellow human beings over something as stupid as sexual orientation, and the bigotry of their representatives.

[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;33800357]That's just an activist christian. The point of the "militant" addition to the adjective, is to make it clear that this is an extreme case. The point being that the most militant of Christians target abortion clinics and doctors with violence in the name of their religion, while the "extremist" atheists circle-jerk on the internet over pictures of the prophet, or whine about the mistreatment of fellow human beings over something as stupid as sexual orientation, and the bigotry of their representatives.[/QUOTE] I was accused of militant atheism the other day on these fine boards for comparing the Christian God to Poseidon, God of the Sea. I hope the tides take this entire heathen forum down to Hades itself.

facepunch atheists lmao

[QUOTE=Scoot12;33799963]"I wouldn't really care about this, but it says Atheists in the title so I do!" - Facepunch[/QUOTE] Yes, we would just be so callous and uncaring if it was just "dudes raised 180,000 dollars for charity", because that's totally insignificant.

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[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33801001]Another fine post from Kinglah Crab, author of such classics as: You've made the exact same post in 5 other threads now, it may be time to stop.[/QUOTE] that's a rather impressive compilation

[QUOTE=scout1;33797904]Christians are now on the same level as holocaust deniers, joy![/QUOTE] That's all you managed to take away from my example? I was using an example to illustrate that just because you are sensitive about what you believe in (the holocaust is a sensitive topic like religion which is why I used it as an example), that doesn't change the fact that your views on it may simply be flat out wrong. [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33797934] It seems like a fallacy to compare debating whether God exists to whether the Holocaust happened. We have eyewitness accounts, millions of documents, and tangible evidence to say that the Holocaust happened. The reality is in the history. There's no evidence to say that God does or does not exist. [/quote] We have mountains of evidence for evolution too yet a great deal of religious people still choose to believe that our world is a few thousand years old and that humans walked the earth alongside the dinosaurs. I wasn't looking to get into these details anyway, my point was to illustrate that just because there is sensitivity surrounding an issue, that doesn't mean both beliefs have "equal weight", one side may just be completely and totally wrong. It also doesn't mean that both beliefs deserve "respect" just because people are sensitive about a particular subject. [quote]I don't really think someone who chooses to believe in God wants to be told that their "reasoning processes" are flawed.[/QUOTE] Well I'm afraid that's just too bad. If their reason for believing in god is fallacious, something like "I believe in him because you can't prove he doesn't exist", it's not a matter of intolerance to point out why an argument from ignorance is not a good reason to believe something. [QUOTE=Kinglah Crab;33800642]facepunch atheists lmao[/QUOTE] Can you grow up and stop reposting this trash please

[QUOTE=Turnips5;33801025]that's a rather impressive compilation[/QUOTE] You definitely have to admire the dedication.