Atheists Raise $180,000 for Doctors Without Borders. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Contag;33801513]You definitely have to admire the dedication.[/QUOTE] it's my life's work, thanks

[QUOTE=The DooD;33797006]Because it's often said that Atheists are uncharitable or less likely to give to charity.[/QUOTE] That's because it's true that atheists are statistically less likely to be charitable. This is an undeniable fact. It is not a slight upon atheists nor in support of Christians, merely an established truth, which I know Facepunch is big on.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33802587]That's because it's true. This is an undeniable fact. It is not a slight upon atheists nor in support of Christians, merely an established truth, which I know Facepunch is big on.[/QUOTE] okay do you have facts to back this up, because this donation drive seems to indicate otherwise [editline]19th December 2011[/editline] you're saying atheists are uncharitable which is clearly bullshit, look at the god damn article staring you in the face

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33802587]That's because it's true.[/quote] No it isn't. [quote]This is an undeniable fact. [/quote] No it isn't. [quote]merely an established truth[/QUOTE] No it isn't.

[QUOTE=Turnips5;33802620]okay do you have facts to back this up, because this donation drive seems to indicate otherwise[/QUOTE] Really now? Because as stated previously... [QUOTE=hegrec;33796132]$15,000 / 20,000 Christians = $0.75 per christian $180,000 / 300,000 Atheists = $0.60 per atheist. Looks like the christians have it.[/QUOTE] Christians donated more per person. Also, [URL="http://www.cfsv.org/communitysurvey/results.html"]91% of religious people donate, as opposed to 66% of people who are nonreligious, and 67% of religious people volunteer, as opposed to 44% of people who are nonreligious.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Turnips5;33802620]okay do you have facts to back this up, because this donation drive seems to indicate otherwise [editline]19th December 2011[/editline] you're saying atheists are uncharitable which is clearly bullshit, look at the god damn article staring you in the face[/QUOTE] I'm saying atheists are [I]less [/I]charitable than theists.

[QUOTE=Bird;33800019]Argument for what? I shared my personal experience, but I wasn't trying to argument for something. I'm probably not as anti-religion as the majority of Facepunch, but I don't support religious groups who murder/rape/discriminate with God as an excuse. It's disgusting. I just wanted to say that atheist aren't free of faults either. The absolute best solution would be that everyone can believe what they want, as long as you don't force it on other people.[/QUOTE] It seemed that way to me at the time, and if it wasn't the case, I do apologize. It is true that no one is perfect, religious or otherwise, however, to quote Steven Weinberg: "With or without religion you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." I also agree with you that people should be free to believe whatever they want, as long as they aren't forcing it upon others, including their children.

[QUOTE=Scoot12;33799963]"I wouldn't really care about this, but it says Atheists in the title so I do!" - Facepunch[/QUOTE] You're not helping.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33802768]I'm saying atheists are [I]less [/I]charitable than theists.[/QUOTE] You quoted his whole statement. You're saying that atheists are uncharitable unless your post explains otherwise, which it did not. I'll concede for now that nonreligious people are statistically less likely to give to charity.

[QUOTE=Turnips5;33802915]You quoted his whole statement. You're saying that atheists are uncharitable unless your post explains otherwise, which it did not. I'll concede for now that nonreligious people are statistically less likely to give to charity.[/QUOTE] "Because it's often said that Atheists are uncharitable[I] or less likely[/I] to give to charity." I can understand the confusion, I probably should have clarified, my apologies.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33802751]Really now? Because as stated previously... Christians donated more per person. Also, [URL="http://www.cfsv.org/communitysurvey/results.html"]91% of religious people donate, as opposed to 66% of people who are nonreligious, and 67% of religious people volunteer, as opposed to 44% of people who are nonreligious.[/URL][/QUOTE] Then how come the top donators to charity, country-wise, are nearly all atheistic nations? Actually I think there's more to this than simply faith, when considering the survey you posted. It probably has more to do with being in a community, something which many (if not all) non-believers in America lack, sadly.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33802751]Really now? Because as stated previously... Christians donated more per person. Also, [URL="http://www.cfsv.org/communitysurvey/results.html"]91% of religious people donate, as opposed to 66% of people who are nonreligious, and 67% of religious people volunteer, as opposed to 44% of people who are nonreligious.[/URL][/QUOTE] I couldn't find where it said that, but assuming it's true, how much of those donations go towards advancing religion and faith based activities? Also found this bit on your article you linked [quote]intense involvement in communities of faith is more likely to be associated with intolerance: i.e., favoring banning unpopular books from libraries, antipathy to equal rights for immigrants, lower levels of support for racial intermarriage and lower levels of friendships with gays. Religious involvement is linked to greater support for needy individuals, but it is not necessarily associated with greater support for social justice. The "social capital" embodied in religious communities is more likely to "bond" individuals with those like them than to "bridge" them to those unlike them. Communities of high religiosity are generous in their giving and volunteering, but they are relatively low on measures of social action (marches, petitions, rallies) and relatively low on tolerance (for immigrants, gays, unpopular ideas in general).[/quote]

I was merely pointing out that saying that atheists are less likely to give to charity is a completely true and justifiable statement. Now, the validity and effect of the social work of atheists and theists is an entirely different topic. Perhaps atheists accomplish more social progress. However being relatively low on "tolerance" (a rather broad umbrella term) is not necessarily a negative thing. Against gays? Certainly. Against "unpopular ideas in general" isn't always bad. [editline]19th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Taishu;33802978]Then how come the top donators to charity, country-wise, are nearly all atheistic nations? Actually I think there's more to this than simply faith, when considering the survey you posted. It probably has more to do with being in a community, something which many (if not all) non-believers in America lack, sadly.[/QUOTE] Source? According to Gallup's World Giving Index, the top countries in terms of overall charity are actually some of the more religious first world nations.

[QUOTE=Bird;33796635]It's funny, I've never PERSONALLY met a Christian who expressed hate towards atheists or people of other beliefs. On the other hand I've met a lot of atheists hating christians and other religious people.[/QUOTE] That's funny, the mother of a girl I dated said I was evil and lacked any morals because I didn't go to church. Then I started going to her church and the pastor said the hurricane that fucked up New Orleans was done by God to attack the gays there. Yeah, I'm totally the evil, morally lacking bad guy here. Fucking retards.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33803137]I was merely pointing out that saying that atheists are less likely to give to charity is a completely true and justifiable statement.[/quote] That hasn't really been demonstrated because if the "charity" is just money being poured into the advancement of religion and religious activities then of course that is going to offset those numbers. Also you should probably take into account atheists' donations towards schools, scientific and medical research, and other areas that aren't charitable organizations but work towards helping society.

[QUOTE=Noble;33803247]That hasn't really been demonstrated because if the "charity" is just money being poured into the advancement of religion and religious activities then of course that is going to offset those numbers.[/QUOTE] Good point. If the donations are going to religious organizations furthering religious causes, calling it charity might not be completely honest.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33803137]I was merely pointing out that saying that atheists are less likely to give to charity is a completely true and justifiable statement. Now, the validity and effect of the social work of atheists and theists is an entirely different topic. Perhaps atheists accomplish more social progress. However being relatively low on "tolerance" (a rather broad umbrella term) is not necessarily a negative thing. Against gays? Certainly. Against "unpopular ideas in general" isn't always bad.[/QUOTE] In this case, I'm pretty sure it's intolerance against homosexuality and other religions. Maybe perhaps even race. I can't see what else it should be. [QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33803137]Source? According to Gallup's World Giving Index, the top countries in terms of overall charity are actually some of the more religious first world nations.[/QUOTE] Sweden, Norway and Denmark are some of the least religious countries in the world.

[QUOTE=Taishu;33803459]Sweden, Norway and Denmark are some of the least religious countries in the world.[/QUOTE] Sweden, Norway, and Denmark aren't even in the top 15 of that index.

[QUOTE=Noble;33803247]That hasn't really been demonstrated because if the "charity" is just money being poured into the advancement of religion and religious activities then of course that is going to offset those numbers. Also you should probably take into account atheists' donations towards schools, scientific and medical research, and other areas that aren't charitable organizations but work towards helping society.[/QUOTE] You're changing the definition of "charity" now. char·i·ty   [char-i-tee] Show IPA noun, plural -ties. 1. generous actions or donations to aid the poor, ill, or helpless: to devote one's life to charity. Advancing the availability of religious services to people in need is still charity. Jeep-Eep, are you going to continue rating everyone you disagree with dumb without contributing a word to the discussion?

[QUOTE=teh pirate;33796339]nobody here believes that holy shit. stop spewing bs about the south, you have no goddamn idea what you are talking about.[/QUOTE] If I remember right, more than 50% of Americans believe that Atheists are evil in some form.

[QUOTE=Noble;33803247]That hasn't really been demonstrated because if the "charity" is just money being poured into the advancement of religion and religious activities then of course that is going to offset those numbers. Also you should probably take into account atheists' donations towards schools, scientific and medical research, and other areas that aren't charitable organizations but work towards helping society.[/QUOTE] I understand this is anecdotal evidence and should be taken with a grain of salt, but when I was younger and attended church, church-supported charities and fundraisers were not geared toward advancing religion or other religious activities (whatever that means), but towards feeding the homeless and providing for the sick and the elderly.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33803522]Sweden, Norway, and Denmark aren't even in the top 15 of that index.[/QUOTE] Might be wrong, but since those countries have excellent social welfare programmes, could it be that their citizens don't feel the need to donate as much to the poor in their own country? I need to look up what charities the money actually goes to. If donors in the US give mainly to their own poor, then it might be an explanation. If they mainly give to third world countries overseas, then my argument will hold no water.

[QUOTE=Noble;33802981]I couldn't find where it said that, but assuming it's true, how much of those donations go towards advancing religion and faith based activities? Also found this bit on your article you linked[/QUOTE] And did you read the paragraph right after that? [quote]Not surprisingly, perhaps, residents of ethnically diverse communities are more likely to report friendships with people of color and gays, as well as having a stronger sense of their own ethnic identity. Moreover, in some respects these diverse communities are also more tolerant: for example, the greater the ethnic diversity of a community, the less likely its residents are to say that "A book that most people disapprove of should be kept out of my local public library." Civil liberties, one might almost say, are safer in the hands of immigrants.[/quote]

Facepunch gotta grow up Are you guys really gonna be little pretentious one sided faggots all your life?

[QUOTE=Scoot12;33807112]Facepunch gotta grow up Are you guys really gonna be little pretentious one sided faggots all your life?[/QUOTE] Another "I'm cooler than this argument" post. Yeah thanks for the input bro. Now go fuck a dog or something. [QUOTE=Bird;33803501]Please, don't think I'm a dumb faggot just because I share my personal experiences. Read everything I have to say before confronting me.[/QUOTE] For what it's worth, when I said "fucking retards" I wasn't including you. I was referring to the nutcases I had to deal with. When posting I had no idea what your personal beliefs are and wasn't about to pretend I knew either. I just wanted to let you know that this stuff is remarkably common. The religious are taught to fear us atheists, to think of us as morally lacking and untrustworthy. I should know, I grew up a Christian and I have been to many churches belonging to quite a few different denominations in the area. Granted my personal experience applies only to Christianity but I have no reason to think it's any different with Islam or Judaism.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;33807427]Now go fuck a dog or something.[/QUOTE] On second thought I am too cool for this argument bye

[QUOTE=Scoot12;33807112]Facepunch gotta grow up Are you guys really gonna be little pretentious one sided faggots all your life?[/QUOTE] my favorite part of this post is where you told other people to grow up but then used the word faggot unironically

[QUOTE=Sanius;33807505]my favorite part of this post is where you told other people to grow up but then used the word faggot unironically[/QUOTE] Shut up faggot

[QUOTE=Scoot12;33807112]Facepunch gotta grow up Are you guys really gonna be little pretentious one sided faggots all your life?[/QUOTE] you are literally the worst

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33803522]Sweden, Norway, and Denmark aren't even in the top 15 of that index.[/QUOTE] What index? They are in the top 4 when comparing to their GNI. 1. Sweden – 1.12% 2. Norway – 1.06% 3. Luxembourg – 1.04% 4. Denmark – 0.88%