UKIP rally ends in disaster as protesters call them racist, steel band pulls out, Farage doesn't tur - Polidicks

[QUOTE=lazyguy;44862036]The Liberal Democrats are all a bunch of [url=http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/23/mike-hancock-sexual-harassment-allegations]sex[/url] [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27047442]criminals [/url]and [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-24653507]terrorists[/url].[/QUOTE] we aren't talking about them though

[QUOTE=lazyguy;44862036]The Liberal Democrats are all a bunch of [url=http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/23/mike-hancock-sexual-harassment-allegations]sex[/url] [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27047442]criminals [/url]and [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-24653507]terrorists[/url].[/QUOTE] and?

[QUOTE=The mouse;44862009]If someone's proud of their country then they feel a greater compulsion to contribute to it. Nation pride only becomes bad when you start hating people of other nations, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with being proud of your own.[/QUOTE] "National pride" contributed to the creation of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy and it's also part of how North Korea maintains its dictatorship.

[QUOTE=Streecer;44862100]we aren't talking about them though[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=.Lain;44862141]and?[/QUOTE] No, lazyguy raises a good point, for all the stuff we hear about UKIP members [B]say[/B], what about the stuff that members of other parties actually [B]do[/B]. No UKIP candidate has ever been caught making bombs, and they have found far less sex offenders in their ranks. We may see bad [B]words [/B]coming out of UKIP, but we often see bad [B]deeds [/B]from the other parties.

[img]https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/t1.0-9/10365770_728914440517290_2533863031457067468_n.jpg[/img] Take Britain back, vote UKIP :'(

[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44862211]No, lazyguy raises a good point, for all the stuff we hear about UKIP members [B]say[/B], what about the stuff that members of other parties actually [B]do[/B]. No UKIP candidate has ever been caught making bombs, and they have found far less sex offenders in their ranks. We may see bad [B]words [/B]coming out of UKIP, but we often see bad [B]deeds [/B]from the other parties.[/QUOTE] No he doesn't, the actions of other parties are completely irrelevant becuase [B]we're talking about [/B][B]UKIP[/B]. You can claim "media persecution" and "well at least they aren't the lib dems!" but at the end of the day they still say and do stupid shit.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;44861822]idk sounds like a way to remove human rights if i've ever heard of it[/QUOTE] Tories want to do the same thing.

[QUOTE=The mouse;44862009]If someone's proud of their country then they feel a greater compulsion to contribute to it. Nation pride only becomes bad when you start hating people of other nations, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with being proud of your own.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;iw0MripVxss]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw0MripVxss[/video]

[QUOTE=lazyguy;44862036]The Liberal Democrats are all a bunch of [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/23/mike-hancock-sexual-harassment-allegations"]sex[/URL] [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27047442"]criminals [/URL]and [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-24653507"]terrorists[/URL].[/QUOTE] um okay? to call us hypocrits using these examples assumes we are lib dem supports which no one here has stated or implied. regardless, pointing the finger at very extreme examples from other parties that date back 40 years is the most childish and small-minded defense of ukip i can think of

[QUOTE=The mouse;44861959]What's wrong with instilling a sense of national pride? The aim of the policy is to make integration more effective so that communities are less fractured and society can function better as a whole, it's only fair that if people want to live here they should live like the rest of us. You have a strange definition of Racism.[/QUOTE] What's wrong with it? The inherit sense of superiority that it breeds, it's nature of forcing people to ignore problems and only focus on the good things. The element of power it gives to "pure" whatever race/nationality we're talking about is utterly pointless, useless, and founded on nothing. Look, if you have a sense of pride of where you live, that's good, but you have a sense of pride in what country you're born in? that's idiotic. You didn't choose it. You just happened to be born there and to blindly say "I was born in the best place on earth" is fucking stupid and short sighted and breeds people who do not look at the actual problems attacking our world and instead focus on petty nationalities. Who the fuck cares where you were born. The things you choose to do have infinitely more value than simply where you were born and I think it's a ridiculous waste of national energy to instill some sense of "pride" over that. [editline]20th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=lazyguy;44862036]The Liberal Democrats are all a bunch of [url=http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/23/mike-hancock-sexual-harassment-allegations]sex[/url] [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27047442]criminals [/url]and [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-24653507]terrorists[/url].[/QUOTE] If the only argument you can make against accusations is to point to more accusations you're doing it wrong. Argue what they said either doesn't matter or isn't representative of them, don't try and just point to some other dude in the room like that'll make your problems vanish. confront them or don't, there really isn't a middle ground method of arguing about something that's not even tangentially related to the original argument.

"[I]Conceit, arrogance, and egotism are the essentials of patriotism. Let me illustrate. Patriotism assumes that our globe is divided into little spots, each one surrounded by an iron gate. Those who have had the fortune of being born on some particular spot, consider themselves better, nobler, grander, more intelligent than the living beings inhabiting any other spot. It is, therefore, the duty of everyone living on that chosen spot to fight, kill, and die in the attempt to impose his superiority upon all the others. The inhabitants of the other spots reason in like manner, of course, with the result that, from early infancy, the mind of the child is poisoned with bloodcurdling stories about the Germans, the French, the Italians, Russians, etc. When the child has reached manhood, he is thoroughly saturated with the belief that he is chosen by the Lord himself to defend his country against the attack or invasion of any foreigner.[/I]" - Emma Goldman One of my favourite quotes on patriotism.

[QUOTE=The mouse;44861784]It seeks to remove peoples' Human Rights and essential freedoms. Which Ukip doesn't.[/QUOTE] Doesn't ukip [I]literally[/I] want to abolish the Human Rights Act? Oops, already been called out on it like a dozen times

[QUOTE=Robbobin;44862753]Doesn't ukip [I]literally[/I] want to abolish the Human Rights Act?[/QUOTE] What Mouse said: [QUOTE=The mouse;44861832]and replace it with a British Bill of Rights.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=The mouse;44861891]Because we wrote it and can tailor it better to our interests.[/QUOTE] The whole point of [I]human[/I] rights is that they are derived from your being a human, not your fucking geographical location. Human rights that are tailored to a subcategory of humans are not human rights. Ergo they're abolishing human rights. Isn't this completely obvious? Fuck this "our interests" bullshit, too. I'm really sick of tired of being identified as a British person like it makes me any different in and of itself than anyone else. It's bullshit like this that I find really sinister about ukip; the way in which they use language to alienate groups of people from one another. I don't really believe in the democratic system as it's manifest in the UK at all, but ukip actually worming their way in is a fucking terrifying prospect because it means britain is by and large full of xenophobicm uneducated twats (or at least confirming my belief that the democratic system is flawed if ukip votes are largely tactical votes to stir up the establishment which is a fucking joke). Seriously, how dense do you really have to be to believe that you're putting it to the man by voting for this dirt?

[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44862819]What Mouse said:[/QUOTE] Yeah, covering just British citizens responsible just to british government letting them pretty much dictate how people can be treated inside the nation. Now, if I think about that power being in the hands of a guy who feels that romanian =/= human trafficker, it sounds an awful lot like a bad fucking idea.

[QUOTE=The mouse;44861959]What's wrong with instilling a sense of national pride? The aim of the policy is to make integration more effective so that communities are less fractured and society can function better as a whole, it's only fair that if people want to live here they should live like the rest of us. You have a strange definition of Racism.[/QUOTE] National pride instilled via political entities such as UKIP will pretty much invariably lead to EXTREME nationalism to the point of xenophobia but considering that, in the first place, much of UKIP's actual circle and proposed voters are xenophobic (whether they wish to admit it or not), that should be pretty obvious

[QUOTE=The mouse;44861036]It wasn't a protest, it was an public event which was ruined by mobs of thugs shouting them down.[/QUOTE] Truly a tragedy for BNP lite, sad songs will be played on various classical instruments in mourning of Nigel Farage, the last great light of democracy in Britain. He's a tool with tool ideals, held up in glory for all the tool people who think immigration is an issue and that Romanians are Lucifers minions on earth here to steal cars and traffic each other while they steal cars.