Please note by the way that this is just 800,000 who are coming to Germany. They still have to get processed and have their application for asylum accepted.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;48648154]Yes, that is what I meant; we take only the most capable; women, children, elderly and disabled who fled, because they didn't want to fight, among those 2-4 million refugees...[/QUOTE]
Even if literally the whole reason they're refugees is because they're fleeing war and to not be in battle?
You would conscript foreign national refugees?
Replacement genocide, the german ethnicity, culture and Language will no longer be the primary ethnicity\culture\language in germany, Merkel is fast-tracking germany to become an islamic state. German culture is as good as dead.
Also, everyone states these are all refugees and yet 3/4 of refugees are MALE. I guess the females are back in syria with the kids doing the fighting and waiting for the plane tickets to come through.
[QUOTE]
The distribution of asylum applicants by sex shows that men were more likely than women to seek asylum. Across the EU-28, the gender distribution was most balanced for asylum applicants aged less than 14, where boys accounted for 53 % of the total number of applications in 2014. [B]There was a greater degree of gender inequality for asylum applicants aged 14–17 or 18–34, where around three quarters of applicants were male.[/B] [/QUOTE]
[url]http://ec.europa.eu/.../statistics.../mobile/index.php[/url]... statistics&lg=en
Germanys population is: 81,083,600 (30 September 2014)
Of which around 20% of Germany's population do not hold a German passport or are descendents of immigrants, so 60 million people are germans, so if the trend of things continue and they do meet the criteria of 500,000 refugees + mass migration from international sources\eu, the german population are set to become a minority in their country in roughly 30 years. Of course europes solution to falling birth rates is to have mass immigration rather than resolving the problem.
Source, wikipedia: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany#2011_Census[/url]
[QUOTE=Arrows;48648275]Replacement genocide, the german ethnicity, culture and Language will no longer be the primary ethnicity\culture\language in germany, Merkel is fast-tracking germany to become an islamic state. German culture is as good as dead.
Also, everyone states these are refugees and yet 3/4 of refugees are MALE. I guess the females are back in syria with the kids doing the fighting and waiting for the plane tickets to come through.
[url]http://ec.europa.eu/.../statistics.../mobile/index.php[/url]... statistics&lg=en
Germanys population is: 81,083,600 (30 September 2014)
Of which around 20% of Germany's population do not hold a German passport or are descendents of immigrants, so 60 million people are germans, so if the trend of things continue and they do meet the criteria of 500,000 refugees + mass migration from international sources\eu, the german population are set to become a minority in their country in roughly 30 years. Of course europes solution to falling birth rates is to have mass immigration rather than resolving the problem.
Source, wikipedia: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany#2011_Census[/url][/QUOTE]
Holy fuck, you're seriously going Youtube neo-nazi? Having a bunch of people immigrate to a place and mix with the locals is not in anyway fucking genocide. Genocide implies that their genes are dying off, which just doesn't happen when people mix.
Also, seriously, who the fuck gives a shit about some culture bullshit. Culture is a very fucking flexible thing, who cares if it mixes with the new immigrants culture to form something that may bet better or worse.
And finally, having an Islamic state is not inherently a bad thing. As long as the culture isn't militant and the type of religion isn't a form of fundamentalism (like Wahabism), then really there's no problem.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48648351]Careful there dude, you're getting pretty close to Youtube neo-nazi level there.[/QUOTE]
Good one, shout racism or nazi to close down the debate even when the facts are right in front of you, but hey, the leftist regime of brainwashing are good at covering their eyes and ears and ignoring the facts.
[QUOTE=Arrows;48648360]Good one, shout racism or nazi to close down the debate even when the facts are right in front of you, but hey, the leftist regime of brainwashing are good at covering their eyes and ears and ignoring the facts.[/QUOTE]
Oh yes, of course since I shouted the words nazi or racism that immediately shuts down the debate. No, it doesn't, but apparently that right wing brainwashing allows you to think that.
I wasn't labeling you part of that group, I was simply comparing the fact that a lot of your views are similar to them.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48648351]Holy fuck, you're seriously going Youtube neo-nazi? Having a bunch of people immigrate to a place and mix with the locals is not in anyway fucking genocide. Genocide implies that their genes are dying off, which just doesn't happen when people mix.
Also, seriously, who the fuck gives a shit about some culture bullshit. Culture is a very fucking flexible thing, who cares if it mixes with the new immigrants culture to form something that may bet better or worse.
And finally, having an Islamic state is not inherently a bad thing. As long as the culture isn't militant and the type of religion isn't a form of fundamentalism (like Wahabism), then really there's no problem.[/QUOTE]
You don't run to another country and press the natives to adopt your culture. You integrate into theirs.
Which these refugees, unfortunately, probably won't do.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48648426]You don't run to another country and press the natives to adopt your culture. You integrate into theirs.
Which these refugees, unfortunately, probably won't do.[/QUOTE]
Who says that though. It's all theoretic. It's entirely possible that Germany could actually integrate them as well.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48648351]
Also, seriously, [B]who the fuck gives a shit about some culture bullshit[/B]. Culture is a very fucking flexible thing, who cares if it mixes with the new immigrants culture to form something that may bet better or worse.
And finally, [B]having an Islamic state is not inherently a bad thing[/B]. As long as the culture isn't militant and the type of religion isn't a form of fundamentalism (like Wahabism), then really there's no problem.[/QUOTE]
Are you fucking serious?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48648195]Even if literally the whole reason they're refugees is because they're fleeing war and to not be in battle?
You would conscript foreign national refugees?[/QUOTE]
Maybe some didn't have a fighting chance, because the country had no resources to train and equip them in time. If among all those people you can't find few hundred patriots who would accept the chance to get prepared and fight for their country then maybe that country was doomed long ago.
[QUOTE=Arrows;48648275]Of which around 20% of Germany's population do not hold a German passport or are descendents of immigrants, so 60 million people are germans, so if the trend of things continue and they do meet the criteria of 500,000 refugees + mass migration from international sources\eu, the german population are set to become a minority in their country in roughly 30 years. Of course europes solution to falling birth rates is to have mass immigration rather than resolving the problem.[/QUOTE]
There is no solution to this problem. Today's youth is all about being independent, having a career and shit, even when they could afford kids they just get a dog. Children are seen as a burden and a bad investment. Basically an object.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48648439]Who says that though. It's all theoretic. It's entirely possible that Germany could actually integrate them as well.[/QUOTE]
That's absurdly doubtful. You're being incredibly naive.
These are refugees, not migrants. Migrants half the time don't want to assimulate and they willingly left their home and culture behind.
These refugees, if given a choice, would probably prefer to live peacefully at their old home before the war than go off into Europe (I'm sure not all, but I doubt 500,000+ have always had the desire to live in Europe).
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48648351]Holy fuck, you're seriously going Youtube neo-nazi? Having a bunch of people immigrate to a place and mix with the locals is not in anyway fucking genocide. Genocide implies that their genes are dying off, which just doesn't happen when people mix.
Also, seriously, who the fuck gives a shit about some culture bullshit. Culture is a very fucking flexible thing, who cares if it mixes with the new immigrants culture to form something that may bet better or worse.
And finally, having an Islamic state is not inherently a bad thing. As long as the culture isn't militant and the type of religion isn't a form of fundamentalism (like Wahabism), then really there's no problem.[/QUOTE]
My God, you're so delusional, your so far left you make even Karl Marx look mediocre. So, you state you don't care about culture, but then contradict that when you state that you would rather European culture be replaced by middle eastern culture destroying it and that you don't mind the Islamic state, you are one hell of a islamic appeaser, i bet if a terrorist took you hostage you would try to appease him while he puts a bullet in your head.
Boy oh boy Hitler is turning in his grave you Germans have got yourselves into a mess havent you.
If you arent careful he'll come back.
[QUOTE=Arrows;48648525]My God, you're so delusional, your so far left you make even Karl Marx look mediocre. So, you state you don't care about culture, but then contradict that when you state that you would rather European culture be replaced by middle eastern culture destroying it and that you don't mind the Islamic state, you are one hell of a islamic appeaser, i bet if a terrorist took you hostage you would try to appease him while he puts a bullet in your head.[/QUOTE]
hes hardly left if he supports an Islamic state. An Islamic state is like a Fascist state.
ok maybe he thinks he's left, but he is just delusional.
They'd have him killed for being an athiest like the rest of us, what a madman.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48648439]Who says that though. It's all theoretic. It's entirely possible that Germany could actually integrate them as well.[/QUOTE]
That right there is not a good way of thinking. In the past there has already been issues with migrants from the middle east not integrating well in to European society. It's not that they're bad people but instead of wanting to become productive citizens of their host country they tend to clump together and reject any changes to their way of life. This is how those Islamic courts sprung up that deal with religious matters even though they have absolutely no place in a modern society.
Germany is not prepared to accept this many refugees and instead of following logic they're using political correctness to guide their decisions. It's not a bad thing to take in refugees from war torn countries but when you can't say no when there's too many trying to flood in to your country then that's when the problems arise. The U.S can and does tell people to turn around at the border if they don't meet certain criteria, even refugees have been turned back despite them applying for asylum. The media doesn't say shit about that but when Germany has a massive influx of refugees then suddenly it's a human rights abuse if they can't take them all in.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48648351]Holy fuck, you're seriously going Youtube neo-nazi? Having a bunch of people immigrate to a place and mix with the locals is not in anyway fucking genocide. Genocide implies that their genes are dying off, which just doesn't happen when people mix.
Also, seriously,[B]who the fuck gives a shit about some culture bullshit[/B]. Culture is a very fucking flexible thing, who cares if it mixes with the new immigrants culture to form something that may bet better or worse.
And finally,[B] having an Islamic state is not inherently a bad thing[/B]. As long as the culture isn't militant and the type of religion isn't a form of fundamentalism (like Wahabism), then really there's no problem.[/QUOTE]
You are a fucking lunatic. I thought at first that you were just painfully misinformed on anything Europa-related, but it is really evident now that you only try to use an appeal to emotions while sprouting shit that you would normally hear from bedlam patients. Or this got to be some top-tier trolling bait, I hope for your intelligence.
Also, even the official EU statistics show that the number of Adult Male refugees/immigrants outnumber both the amount of women and children by almost three to one now.
[url]http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.html[/url]
Isn't the reason for the whole 3/4 being male that guys are running away because they don't want to be drafted into the military?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;48648597]Isn't the reason for the whole 3/4 being male that guys are running away because they don't want to be drafted into the military?[/QUOTE]
:zing:
[QUOTE=Arrows;48648275]Replacement genocide, the german ethnicity, culture and Language will no longer be the primary ethnicity\culture\language in germany, Merkel is fast-tracking germany to become an islamic state. German culture is as good as dead.
Also, everyone states these are all refugees and yet 3/4 of refugees are MALE. I guess the females are back in syria with the kids doing the fighting and waiting for the plane tickets to come through.
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This is more misinformed than the usual right-wing extremist propaganda here, but I'll do [URL="http://www.vice.com/de/read/brennende-turnhalle-im-havelland-ein-syrer-in-der-eckkneipe-und-hitler-772"]some[/URL] [URL="https://archive.is/Y40av#selection-2773.0-2773.519"]translating[/URL] anyway:
- It's pretty normal the men would do the most dangerous part, usually coming first to allow their family a safer journey.
- There's fear that women could be raped on the way and that children could be kidnapped or become ill.
(Looking at the news about incidents along the way this very much makes sense.
Children are definitely at greater risk of drowning if/when a raft sinks for example.)
[QUOTE=Arrows;48648275][...]
Germanys population is: 81,083,600 (30 September 2014)
Of which around 20% of Germany's population do not hold a German passport or are descendents of immigrants, so 60 million people are germans, so if the trend of things continue and they do meet the criteria of 500,000 refugees + mass migration from international sources\eu, the german population are set to become a minority in their country in roughly 30 years. Of course europes solution to falling birth rates is to have mass immigration rather than resolving the problem.
Source, wikipedia: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany#2011_Census[/url][/QUOTE]
Even if that was a realistic assumption (which it isn't, the maths is blatantly skewed in your calculation to inflate the numbers), what's the problem?
It's not like we "native" Germans have some kind of god-given exclusive right to this location just because n generations of our predecessors lived somewhere in the area.
You can't even argue with tradition or anything like that considering that one of the main teachings of (at least the local version of) Christianity is to help out others in need regardless of their identity and heritage. Despite increasing atheism the cultural influence of those teachings is absolutely massive here.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;48648662]" It's not like we "native" Germans have some kind of god-given exclusive right to this location just because n generations of our predecessors lived somewhere in the area.
You can't even argue with tradition or anything like that considering that one of the main teachings of (at least the local version of) Christianity is to help out others in need regardless of their identity and heritage. Despite increasing atheism the cultural influence of those teachings is absolutely massive here.[/QUOTE]
Wow, so your endorsing that Germans don't have a right to exist and that Germany of all places is not theirs. By that logic we can conquer africa and the middle east as Africans and Arabs have 'no rights' to that land either. Weak minded people such as yourself is why backwards political correctness exists and why the European nations will fall and fail to exist, you believe that countries should not exist and have no self determination but you forget that they do exist, cultures and ethnicity exist and many different countries and people of different cultures\ethnicity will willingly do you harm to take what you have.
That's why wars are fought, if the 'utopia' we have today due to nuclear deterrent did not exist then world war 3 would have happened already and people like you would have allowed yourselves to be killed off.
[QUOTE=Arrows;48648737]Wow, so your endorsing that Germans don't have a right to exist and that Germany of all places is not theirs. By that logic we can conquer africa and the middle east as Africans and Arabs have 'no rights' to that land either. Weak minded people such as yourself is why backwards political correctness exists and why the European nations will fall and fail to exist, you believe that countries should not exist and have no self determination but you forget that they do exist, cultures and ethnicity exist and many different countries and people of different cultures\ethnicity will willingly do you harm to take what you have.
That's why wars are fought, if the 'utopia' we have today due to nuclear deterrent did not exist then world war 3 would have happened already and people like you would have allowed yourselves to be killed off.[/QUOTE]
Again you're misrepresenting things. Try again without lying about what I said.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;48647950]The pen is mightier than the sword.[/QUOTE]
Maybe in day to day life in a modern democracy but in international politics and most of middle-east it really isn't.
[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;48644066]Canada only has a population of like 35million or so. and we have a lot of open land, we can take millions, but they might get cold since the open land is like in the territories. building some camps in Canada wouldn't be the worst idea. like North Sask area.[/QUOTE]
Uhh, no thanks. Do you know how fast that would tear apart the country? We already have an issue with voter sway due to immigration. [B]We already take in 250,000 a year[/B]. The area I grew up in Toronto that in [B]2006[/B] had 57% foreign born residents. None of which would really be an issue if more people cared about assimilation a little bit, but most people really don't. I've actually had math teachers before, who didn't have a total grasp on the English language yet were still allowed to teach.
And say what you will, but anyone who doesn't think this country has any culture is seriously only kidding themselves.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48648351]Holy fuck, you're seriously going Youtube neo-nazi? Having a bunch of people immigrate to a place and mix with the locals is not in anyway fucking genocide. Genocide implies that their genes are dying off, which just doesn't happen when people mix.
Also, seriously, who the fuck gives a shit about some culture bullshit. Culture is a very fucking flexible thing, who cares if it mixes with the new immigrants culture to form something that may bet better or worse.[/QUOTE]
Attacks against Jews have been going up in certain countries. The neo-nazi right is one of the only groups that are criticizing the perpetrators.
Also yeah. People should take pride in their cultures. Especially people from secular western democracies that have cultures that value secularism, freedom and equality.
How can we be sure that the refugees coming here won't simply repeat the problems which put them in this mess: their children growing up and in 20-25 years go back to the ME and joining some terrorist group? Homegrown terrorism and such? After all, these people are coming from some radicalized countries and were forced out by an opposing brand of islam. I doubt they will take the humanist approach and say "All religion is dumb, war is stupid, government is corrupt, etc.", I think they will turn around and say "The Sunnis did this to us, fuck the Sunnis they must die".
What exactly makes you think that?
[QUOTE=proboardslol;48649537]How can we be sure that the refugees coming here won't simply repeat the problems which put them in this mess: their children growing up and in 20-25 years go back to the ME and joining some terrorist group? Homegrown terrorism and such? After all, these people are coming from some radicalized countries and were forced out by an opposing brand of islam. I doubt they will take the humanist approach and say "All religion is dumb, war is stupid, government is corrupt, etc.", I think they will turn around and say "The Sunnis did this to us, fuck the Sunnis they must die".[/QUOTE]
Eh, looking that far into the future leaves too much to uncertainty to accurate predict that.
After the Paris shootings over the Mohammed caricature, one of the first reactions of Muslims all over the world, but especially in the west (US, England, etc.) was not to condemn the shooting or to say "this doesn't represent islam", but instead to condemn the writers and illustrators for what they said about Mohammed. They say "You can't hide behind free speech to preach hate" and saying that speech against religion (especially islam) ought to be outlawed. These are young people living in first world countries, not the ayatollah of Iran or Osama bin Laden. There are thousands of people in the US and the west with these fucked up views that are totally contrary to western society and I think we ought to be careful about who we're letting in.
Seeing the situation play out as it is, I think that these refugees are [I]everyone's[/I] responsibility, not just western nations and as such, every country should accommodate them.
I'm a person that's planning to immigrate in the near future and even I think that it's a bit bullshit that the western world has to be alone in bearing this burden when other countries (some even more religiously and regionally suited for them) should be the ones throwing open the gates. For instance, Qatar is throwing millions of fucking dollars on building a goddamn stadium. Bahrain and the other GCC countries are also in close enough proximity and have the resource and logistics to perform evacuations and get them out - why are they being allowed to remain deafeningly silent?
Hell, if the Syrians wanted we here in India could accommodate them (despite our conditions) because even if it may not be the best, it's still safe.
In short, I think the refugee situation needs to be taken up on a global level and every country needs to own up on a humanitarian level.
I don't like this this at all. I'm fine with helping those people but the amount of people is just insane. Especially when Germany suddenly wants to spend up to 6 billion euro for it. Not so long ago we students had to protest against cuts in education that would cost people their jobs and student places.
My biggest problem is that Germany is way to "friendly" if that makes sense. We seem to be the only ones in Europe welcoming more and more people. Every time you see it in the news people who are still stuck in the eastern countries just want to Germany. Nobody seems to want to go anywhere else. All to Germany. That will only cause even more people to try to get in here and Germany probably allows them to enter.
While I think the jury is still out on whether or not Islam is inherently radical/violent, I think we can conclusively say that most muslims believe in what the west considers to be some radical shit. I consider myself a liberal and pretty much always vote democrat, (and I hate Ben Shapiro), but you can't argue with the numbers
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