Russell Brand has interview with Jemery Paxman, gets people excited at the prospect of 'Revolution' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Fahrenheit;42636850]Everyone wants a revolution, just nobody wants to fight one.[/QUOTE] I'd fight one, i'm just afraid i would'nt have an army at my back.

So...I never want to vote. Does that mean MY political opinion doesn't matter? Maybe, just MAYBE my not wanting to vote IS my political opinion and a demonstration of my stance. I'm 18 I decided when i was 14, when I could actually see with my own eyes that it wasn't working, when I could see the lives of my friends falling apart around them, because mothers and fathers were loosing jobs, because the UK lost most of its money that it wasn't even spending right (imo) in the first place. I spent 2 years thinking this way and then i decided to try and re-evaluate, but I looked around again and nothing fucking changed. Even now, at 18 I'm still seeing the same mistakes, day in day out that I saw when i was 14. I dont make the mistake of thinking I know everything and I know for sure that i dont have an answer, but I think I and like minded people around me might have the right bits to make something good. I dont think we should do this through revolution, I'm not stupid enough to call myself an anarchist, humans cant be trusted to guide themselves, we need a system. But at the same time I don't want what we have now. And at the minute nothing is correct, not democracy, not communism not anarchism, because our race is just so self centered a lot of the time, that no matter what I'd vote for some one person would come and fuck it up. That's why I don't vote, because a lot of the time the individual cant be trusted.

As an American, I don't vote either.

ugh how can paxman sit through a lecture by an incoherent multi-millionaire regarding revolution? if hes that passionate then why doesn't he use his millions to start a maoist insurrection. im sure youll have lots of attention if you throw a molotov cocktail into parliament. people don't read the new statesman anyway but theyll definitely watch a hostage video.

I don't think it is debatable whether non-voters have the right to have a say in current politics. It still affects you, you can still be just as knowledgeable. Personally I vote on local affairs and small scale stuff but I am apathetic to the overall as I feel it will not make a difference. You don't need neo-nazi-lizard men conspiracies to know that nothing will change until the people in power change.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;42640198][B]You are plain and simply [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvet_Revolution"]wrong.[/URL][/B] Czechoslovakia got rid communist rule practically without any violence worth talking about. Complete change of the governing force, democratization. It was similar in many countries of the eastern block after fall of iron curtain. And I am pretty sure there was countless more, which went quite peacefully. Two years later, we had a completely planned and mutually coordinated separation of Czechoslovakia into two separate countries, again, absolutely without violence and bigger commotion, while being a quite massive change for both nations.[/QUOTE] When talking about post-communist nations, you have to consider that the peaceful cooperation between people and communities was essential for people to survive, and was backed up by shared premises/ open sharing & borrowing of resources, favors and lending in expectation of the same treatment if one was unable to provide for whatever reason. Of course, the executions of socialism are not always reflective of this, but that's the shared 'point' of the ideology in the first place - hence the names social-ism & commun-ism. AKA no comparison to the UK at all whatsoever.

[QUOTE=thisispain;42640547]ugh how can paxman sit through a lecture by an incoherent multi-millionaire regarding revolution? if hes that passionate then why doesn't he use his millions to start a maoist insurrection. im sure youll have lots of attention if you throw a molotov cocktail into parliament. people don't read the new statesman anyway but theyll definitely watch a hostage video.[/QUOTE] Because clearly this is the way to go, mass homicide on the streets NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG everyone would orderly line up armed and ready and only do what they were told, no one would use it as an excuse right!?

[QUOTE=whatthe;42640548]I don't think it is debatable whether non-voters have the right to have a say in current politics. It still affects you, you can still be just as knowledgeable. Personally I vote on local affairs and small scale stuff but I am apathetic to the overall as I feel it will not make a difference. You don't need neo-nazi-lizard men conspiracies to know that nothing will change until the people in power change.[/QUOTE] I see what you're getting at, but if you're calling an incoming revolution, but then stepping back from it by saying it's not for you to decide, it is a bit of mixed message. Personally I think that if you vote you can make a difference, and is certainly a lot more useful than just talking about change. Lead by example. Sure, we haven't had much of a change, and disillusionment in politics is very apparent, but everyone has a vote so why not put it to use?

[QUOTE=thisispain;42640547]ugh how can paxman sit through a lecture by an incoherent multi-millionaire regarding revolution? if hes that passionate then why doesn't he use his millions to start a maoist insurrection. im sure youll have lots of attention if you throw a molotov cocktail into parliament. people don't read the new statesman anyway but theyll definitely watch a hostage video.[/QUOTE] Just because his job title is different doesn't mean shit. Yes Paxmans life has been mainly about these politics but his effect on the world due to this knowledge is debatable if not nil afaik. [QUOTE=Paxman]I do understand we have to have a government, and I do firmly believe in democracy. So it's not true to say I'm not a political person. I am a political person. But I'm not a party political person. I don't believe there is a monopoly of wisdom in any one party. I suppose as one gets older – I would have described it at the age of 21 as the process of selling out, but another way of looking at it is to say, actually, the world is not a very simple place, and that as you get older simple-minded solutions seem less attractive.[/QUOTE] To append my previous post [QUOTE] Not all of us can explain the change that is required because we are not educated in that way. [/QUOTE] Like Paxman himself states ([URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Paxman"]wiki[/URL]) "I don't believe there is a monopoly of wisdom in any one party" you cannot expect Brand to have all the answers and to expect it is foolish and is an example of fallacy to a degree. People like Russel are using their passion for entertainment and media to talk about things that are important to him, and others. [editline]25th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Memobot;42640617]I see what you're getting at, but if you're calling an incoming revolution, but then stepping back from it by saying it's not for you to decide, it is a bit of mixed message. Personally I think that if you vote you can make a difference, and is certainly a lot more useful than just talking about change. Lead by example. Sure, we haven't had much of a change, and disillusionment in politics is very apparent, but everyone has a vote so why not put it to use?[/QUOTE] I have my decisions and opinions but I cannot make the decision for us all. Hence the requirement for fairness and unity ([I]lame right?[/I]) and not treating somebody different because they don't feel voting is time well spent...

[QUOTE=Memobot;42640617]I see what you're getting at, but if you're calling an incoming revolution, but then stepping back from it by saying it's not for you to decide, it is a bit of mixed message. Personally I think that if you vote you can make a difference, and is certainly a lot more useful than just talking about change. Lead by example. Sure, we haven't had much of a change, and disillusionment in politics is very apparent, but everyone has a vote so why not put it to use?[/QUOTE] But who would someone like me vote for? Someone who honestly sees no hope in any part of the systems we currently have? Putting my right to vote to use, id just be fueling a fire i want to put out.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42639937]There's also the possibility we live within the least worst system.[/QUOTE] That we currently know of or choose to at least try. Fair enough nobody can get a perfect system but we could at least try, if it doesn't work we will go back to wasting time elsewhere in another way.

[QUOTE=whatthe;42640656]That we currently know of or choose to at least try. Fair enough nobody can get a perfect system but we could at least try, if it doesn't work we will go back to wasting time elsewhere in another way.[/QUOTE] Well it's pretty much working for the time being. Communism, Fascism, Anarchism, etc have all been failures, so we can safely put those to one side. What new isms are there to try?

Am I the only one who doesn't understand half the things Russel Brand says? For someone who labels himself as a guy from this unprivileged class he certainly does distance his message from them by speaking the way he does.

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;42640600]When talking about post-communist nations, you have to consider that the peaceful cooperation between people and communities was essential for people to survive, and was backed up by shared premises/ open sharing & borrowing of resources, favors and lending in expectation of the same treatment if one was unable to provide for whatever reason. Of course, the executions of socialism are not always reflective of this, but that's the shared 'point' of the ideology in the first place - hence the names social-ism & commun-ism. AKA no comparison to the UK at all whatsoever.[/QUOTE] Your statement is a simply wrong generalization, tho.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42640690]Well it's pretty much working for the time being. Communism, Fascism, Anarchism, etc have all been failures, so we can safely put those to one side. What new isms are there to try?[/QUOTE] Not supporting any of these on in individual basis I could not say any of them would work. My point is which isms would be allowed, and would work in A. the modern age and; B. would not be overthrown because of threat to current norm. Anyway these "-isms" are a trivial and comical approach. When you are failing, try something new or improved. Improve Capitalism if that is what it takes.

[QUOTE=ViralHatred;42639993]If a revolution happened here, I'd pick a side and fight. More than likely I would side with the emergency services and help with triage.[/QUOTE] lol nothing quite like a teenager with a revolution fantasy especially when they focus only on themselves

None of the problems he mentioned necessitates revolution to fix (though he only mentioned two problems).

[QUOTE=Fahrenheit;42636850]Everyone wants a revolution, just nobody wants to fight one.[/QUOTE] I got some weapons, Lets form a militia and go raid some government buildings.

[QUOTE=Midas22;42640745]Am I the only one who doesn't understand half the things Russel Brand says? For someone who labels himself as a guy from this unprivileged class he certainly does distance his message from them by speaking the way he does.[/QUOTE] He speaks only in pretentious rhetoric. Personally, even though I mostly agree, reading through that article was embarrassing. The author treats him like he shits gold from his mouth every time he opens it, and pretty much all the stuff he says is the same drivel you hear from everyone who shares the same beliefs as him. It was about as fresh as spending ten minutes on a college campus.

[QUOTE=whatthe;42641146]Not supporting any of these on in individual basis I could not say any of them would work. My point is which isms would be allowed, and would work in A. the modern age and; B. would not be overthrown because of threat to current norm. Anyway these "-isms" are a trivial and comical approach. When you are failing, try something new or improved. Improve Capitalism if that is what it takes.[/QUOTE] I think the best method is to slowly improve and change existing institutions.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42641977]I think the best method is to slowly improve and change existing institutions.[/QUOTE] It'll be too late for this generation. Young people can't get jobs for love nor money, no matter how hard you try there's too many people going for 1 shit job with no future behind it. Old people getting told to work longer to get their pensions, so that results in jobs not freeing up allowing the natural progression and cycle of employment. Immigration adds in yet more competition for those jobs, no one really wants those shit jobs because you can't make a life out of stacking shelves, you won't own a house and you won't be able to sustain any family without the welfare state which has a noose around it's neck getting tighter and tighter (there's alot of spongers that do deserve to be sorted out though). The governments answer? other than making school compulsory till the age of 18 to delay the inevitable there isn't one. People are fed up seeing a bleak future and want the government to sort it out. If nothing happens then shit will go down again.

[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;42642270]People are fed up seeing a bleak future and want the government to sort it out. If nothing happens then shit will go down again.[/QUOTE] What does this mean?

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;42636819] Honestly... People just get this idea of 'pop revolution' in their minds after watching V for Vendetta and think 'wow yeah that sounds cool, fuck rich corporations', but then when shit really hits the fan, what actually happens is you've unleash the most bloodthirsty and power hungry upon everyone else, with no opposing force willing or able to do anything about it, and many just end up getting caught in the crossfire.[/QUOTE] And when the gore-smeared survivors stand amongst the broken glass and bloodied shells. They'll look down at their torsos and think they're liberators.

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;42642544]And when the gore-smeared survivors stand amongst the broken glass and bloodied shells. They'll look down at their torsos and think they're liberators.[/QUOTE] I don't know if you're quoting something but that sounds really dumb.

[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;42642270]Young people can't get jobs for love nor money, no matter how hard you try there's too many people going for 1 shit job with no future behind it.[/quote] Source? [quote]Old people getting told to work longer to get their pensions, so that results in jobs not freeing up allowing the natural progression and cycle of employment.[/quote] Source? [quote]Immigration adds in yet more competition for those jobs, no one really wants those shit jobs because you can't make a life out of stacking shelves, you won't own a house and you won't be able to sustain any family without the welfare state which has a noose around it's neck getting tighter and tighter (there's alot of spongers that do deserve to be sorted out though).[/quote] Immigration doesn't cause unemployment. Welfare spongers have microscopic numbers. [quote]The governments answer? other than making school compulsory till the age of 18 to delay the inevitable there isn't one.[/quote] Cough what's the problem exactly you are trying to identify? [quote]People are fed up seeing a bleak future and want the government to sort it out. If nothing happens then shit will go down again.[/QUOTE] We're leaving the bust of the boom and bust cycle at the moment anyways.

democratic utilitarianism please

[QUOTE=obdob;42642658]democratic utilitarianism please[/QUOTE] This is more or less how democracies operate anyways. Politicians pick popular ideas, and generally, popular ideas tend to be good ones. And while people may complain about "ohhh democracy in the west is actually controlled by the capitalists/FEMA/jews/godless/muslims/etc", well no. People in these countries genuinely do influence government policy all the time, life slowly changes, life is getting better. For many minority groups and countries, things certainly have improved massively in the past half century.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42638079]A revolution of mind sheds no blood.[/QUOTE] Everyone in history that has ever been executed for heretical beliefs would like a word with you.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;42642804]Everyone in history that has ever been executed for heretical beliefs would like a word with you.[/QUOTE] what a meaningless retort

This man has had his dick inside Katy Perry.