Even though it's wrong to support the Gawker / Jezebel / Kotaku aggregate, I still like Gizmodo and Jalopnik as standalone sites.
Gizmodo has a pretty decent dealzmodo section as well as being a pretty good aggregate on gizmo, science, short movie, etc news and Jalopnik has interesting commentary on car design as well as races, even going as far as [URL="http://jalopnik.com/5497042/how-a-500-craigslist-car-beat-400k-rally-racers"]supporting some [/URL] and writing great stories.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;46340467]I think it's more that people [I]didn't realise[/I] they had that power.
There's now proof that awful sites can be taken down (or at the very least hit very badly) by emailing advertisers, at least if they do something that's this unequivocally terrible. Now that this information is out there absolutely no-one will be able to erase it from public knowledge.
I fully expect this kind of activism to happen more in the future, though most likely predominantly with new-media companies.[/QUOTE]
I think that no matter how this plays out ultimately, no matter who wins, academia will be watching this closely. I think that a lot of very smart people are taking notes. I think that in a few years we're gonna be seeing this as a case study in marketing and PR textbooks. What happened here? Who did what wrong? How could have all this been avoided?
[editline]27th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;46340654]Even though it's wrong to support the Gawker / Jezebel / Kotaku aggregate, I still like Gizmodo and Jalopnik as standalone sites.
Gizmodo has a pretty decent dealzmodo section as well as being a pretty good aggregate on gizmo, science, short movie, etc news and Jalopnik has interesting commentary on car design as well as races, even going as far as [URL="http://jalopnik.com/5497042/how-a-500-craigslist-car-beat-400k-rally-racers"]supporting some [/URL] and writing great stories.[/QUOTE]
I have to admit I used to subscribe to Lifehacker. I enjoyed their software recommendations and occasional cooking tips.
[QUOTE=Xubs;46340474]new media are going to try a lot harder to suppress this sort of stuff if it becomes a regular form of protest, they'll probably start seeking alternative revenue streams that aren't so easily persuaded.[/QUOTE]
Which ones though? Government funding is unlikely to apply to those sites in a significant amount, and if partnered with corporations to essentially do press releases both they and their partners would get slammed for it even more than they are now.
They could try to sell premium plans to readers like what Rock Paper Shotgun is doing now (or setting up a Paypal/Patreon like Nichegamer), but that requires readers not hating them.
Only one of the companies mentioned in the previous sentence seems to fulfil that requirement without tons of controversy, for the other it may be viable only because of their size.
Gawker is gonna go down in flames and it's going to try and take everyone else down with it. Just before they go down, they're gonna leak information about their partners (probably under an "anonymous" source), calling it now.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;46340111]Gamergate has been invaluable to me as a guide for who is too stupid for my time.
I mean, I saw the Raspberry Pi account get involved on Twitter. Fuck off, you're an inexpensive educational computer project for kids (that became popular with everyone in general) with ties to Cambridge, you have nothing to do with this drama.[/QUOTE]
Well considering their stated goal is to get younger people interested in programming and computing, it's not that surprising they're going to be against it.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;46341076]Well considering their stated goal is to get younger people interested in programming and computing, it's not that surprising they're going to be against it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it's a good thing to teach kids that if you don't have connections you're fucked if you speak out.
[url]https://storify.com/idolminds/raspberry-pi-gamergate[/url]
Just for the record.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;46341156][URL]https://storify.com/idolminds/raspberry-pi-gamergate[/URL]
Just for the record.[/QUOTE]
Well, guess I'm never buying a raspberry pi. What would be a good alternative, in case I need something like it in the future?
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;46341156][url]https://storify.com/idolminds/raspberry-pi-gamergate[/url]
Just for the record.[/QUOTE]
And the problem with that is? It's not like they were going to support it.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;46341243]And the problem with that is? It's not like they were going to support it.[/QUOTE]
Remaining neutral is different than going actively against something you don't understand.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;46341243]And the problem with that is? It's not like they were going to support it.[/QUOTE]
Why are they commenting on it at all? What does fucking raspberry pi have to do with game journalism?
[QUOTE=Crimor;46341294]Remaining neutral is different than going actively against something you don't understand.[/QUOTE]
I think they've got a pretty good grasp of it. Even if people actually buy into the whole "It's about ethics in video games journalism" thing, it's pretty clear that a group that started out as a way to encourage young people into the programming and tech sector, should want to support people in the programming and tech sector (That includes game developers)
[QUOTE=Crimor;46341194]Well, guess I'm never buying a raspberry pi. What would be a good alternative, in case I need something like it in the future?[/QUOTE]
There are a few that are much better than Pi. Beaglebone comes to mind.
[editline]27th October 2014[/editline]
Also even ignoring the whole GG business, Gawker is at best a terrible site ran by terrible people (you could argue it has it's fair share of lawsuit worthy actions as well).
[QUOTE=Crimor;46341194]Well, guess I'm never buying a raspberry pi. What would be a good alternative, in case I need something like it in the future?[/QUOTE]
A Banana Pi of course
But how do a practically single board computer manufacturer got involved with gamergate at all?
[QUOTE=acds;46341646]There are a few that are much better than Pi. Beaglebone comes to mind.[/QUOTE]
There's a lot of better embedded systems than the RasPi, but the main thing it has behind it is the community. If you want to do something with one of the more obscure systems, you basically need to do everything yourself, where with the Pi there's hundreds of other people to help do that for you
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;46341592]I think they've got a pretty good grasp of it. Even if people actually buy into the whole "It's about ethics in video games journalism" thing, it's pretty clear that a group that started out as a way to encourage young people into the programming and tech sector, should want to support people in the programming and tech sector (That includes game developers)[/QUOTE]
I don't see how being anti-GG encourages young people to be game developers. I'm just really not seeing the connection here.
ITT people fail to realize that gawker will never go down in flames due to stuff like this
You guys misunderstand just how many people see the entire gawker network as a holy truth and their go-to one stop shop for "trendy news and other quirky information". It really is the fox news of liberal thinking. Traditional advertising and sponsorship providers might back out now but all that will happen is another one will take its place.
I feel so weird saying "liberal" in this context because I consider myself pretty liberal minded. I just don't know a better word for it. Every hardcore liberal person I know worships gawker media as a gospel truth, and are quick to jump on tech/news bandwagons that they harp on no matter what. There is only skepticism from this crowd when it comes from fox news, and never skepticism of what happens on the same side of the fence. Its a true hive-mind mentality that we all often criticise those who watch fox news all the time for having.
[editline]27th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;46341592]I think they've got a pretty good grasp of it. Even if people actually buy into the whole "It's about ethics in video games journalism" thing, it's pretty clear that a group that started out as a way to encourage young people into the programming and tech sector, should want to support people in the programming and tech sector (That includes game developers)[/QUOTE]
Really it has more to do with them trying to come off as relevant and "in the know" by commenting on a current event that very loosely shares the same demographic that your customer base is. This isn't the first time something like this has happened - just read any news blog (like.. kotaku maybe?) during any kind of political or what-have-you event going on. Despite the subject matter having NOTHING to do with what the site is about, someone can't resist the urge of having their opinion on it tackily splurged online for others to read in a bid the author/company does to affirm their relevance and worldliness to their readers, at a cost of their tact. Bonus points: it causes controversy, which means more hits! Yay!
It is really as simple as that.
[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;46344910]I don't see how being anti-GG encourages young people to be game developers. I'm just really not seeing the connection here.[/QUOTE]
Because some of the biggest targets of GamerGate were female developers (For some reason, but it's totally about ethics in video games journalism), the whole point of the Raspberry Pi is to get under-represented groups interested programming (Along with school kids, etc.), that's why they've come out against it, because the targets are groups they're trying to support.
Really the issue is that when it comes down to harassment, there really is no neutral side.
[QUOTE=KorJax;46345274]ITT people fail to realize that gawker will never go down in flames due to stuff like this
You guys misunderstand just how many people see the entire gawker network as a holy truth and their go-to one stop shop for "trendy news and other quirky information". It really is the fox news of liberal thinking. Traditional advertising and sponsorship providers might back out now but all that will happen is another one will take its place.
I feel so weird saying "liberal" in this context because I consider myself pretty liberal minded. I just don't know a better word for it. Every hardcore liberal person I know worships gawker media as a gospel truth, and are quick to jump on tech/news bandwagons that they harp on no matter what. There is only skepticism from this crowd when it comes from fox news, and never skepticism of what happens on the same side of the fence. Its a true hive-mind mentality that we all often criticise those who watch fox news all the time for having.
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We can't crash it with just advertisement, but now they can't use interns for free, they won't be able to get big name sponsors and no one except for the most hapless and least likely to vote demographic supporting them.
They're in for trouble.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;46347391]Because some of the biggest targets of GamerGate were female developers (For some reason, but it's totally about ethics in video games journalism), the whole point of the Raspberry Pi is to get under-represented groups interested programming (Along with school kids, etc.), that's why they've come out against it, because the targets are groups they're trying to support.
Really the issue is that when it comes down to harassment, there really is no neutral side.[/QUOTE]
So they stand against harassment by picking the side who harasses, threatens, and doxes at least as much as the other even though harassment being bad is their central talking point?
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;46347391]Because some of the biggest targets of GamerGate were female developers [B](For some reason, but it's totally about ethics in video games journalism)[/B], the whole point of the Raspberry Pi is to get under-represented groups interested programming (Along with school kids, etc.), that's why they've come out against it, because the targets are groups they're trying to support.
Really the issue is that when it comes down to harassment, there really is no neutral side.[/QUOTE]
I don't get why this always comes up
It literally takes two seconds of research to figure out why this is the case and why its totally moronic to actually think the whole "female developer target" is some kind of misogynistic plot just because some 4chan retards decided to send death threats months after gamergate had already started
[url]http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/gamergate[/url]
Despite the website being what it is, its actually a great breakdown over the whole thing with cited proof (and you should probably watch the videos linked in the first paragraph since they are basically exactly what started all of this).
TL;DR a female developer and a feminist blogger do a ton of backhanded things to get favors, money and attention from game journalists, it works, people expose the "conspiracy" and then things snowball from there - advertisers pulling support from said websites, Reuters revealing that every game website in existence fails their authenticity and integrity tests for including them as an aggregate news source, websites then get mad and then spread FUD on gamergate [where the whole anti-gamergate thing came from in the first place] through their own site and through social media. Obviously the two people involved with gamergate in the first place spread a ton of FUD about it on social media themselves. Gullible morons who weren't even following what was going on at all and have no capability to fact check fall for it.
Can't wait to include "Advertisers are dead" in to my future reads.
[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;46344910]I don't see how being anti-GG encourages young people to be game developers. I'm just really not seeing the connection here.[/QUOTE]
There isn't one, quite the opposite. See that's the thing; Wu and Alexander have both on tv and said "______ doesn't want women in gaming, and now that women are entering gaming, they are furious"
No one has said this.
No one.
No female dev other than Wu, Maya or Quinn have said anything of the kind. No one. And two of them said it at the prompting of Alexander, with Wu even tacitly suggesting this on a bloomberg interview.
Jade Raymond, Christina Norman and Amy Hennig have never had a problem speaking their minds before. The Warframe team's female members have plenty of air time to address any kind of inequity on a literally monthly/weekly basis on freaking camera, they have a completely open platform to address any issues they might have with the community or with their coworkers.
Not a word.
Not a peep.
Norman was the target of some brutish comments at a past con, she spoke out immediately, and if I'm remembering correctly the guy pretty much was summarily sacked.
Yet everything she's had to say in the past two months has concerned her job and getting Riot issues down the pipe as if somehow this purported leering mob of rapine and slavering rapeasauruses doesn't actually exist.
Curious.
Ever notice how the word "toxic", when used to describe anything but a chemical or poison, is typically followed by someone bitching endlessly about something?
even if gawker goes down 5 more terrible media sources will rise in its place
[QUOTE=TheHydra;46350018]even if gawker goes down 5 more terrible media sources will rise in its place[/QUOTE]
Just like the world's majority is water, there are always enough people out there to create more monstrosities such as Gawker in the future.
[QUOTE=Mecha Pirate;46350206]Just like the world's majority is water, there are always enough people out there to create more monstrosities such as Gawker in the future.[/QUOTE]
Sites like Gawker will continue to exist as long as there's people who want to read that drivel. In other words: for fucking forever. It'll just get replaced by another site that does the same thing under a different name.
Maybe I've inadvertently been living under a very specific rock for the past few years but what the fuck is Gawker even
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[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46350267]Maybe I've inadvertently been living under a very specific rock for the past few years but what the fuck is Gawker even[/QUOTE]
Kotaku n shit.
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