[QUOTE=Prismatex;27163494]snow
cold[/QUOTE]
I haven't smoked in below -10 yet, but generally it's nice to have one in the cold.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27163823]I haven't smoked in below -10 yet, but generally it's nice to have one in the cold.[/QUOTE]
True, but there are times you just want to stay warm.
If you want to stay warm, don't smoke.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;27164252]If you want to stay warm, don't smoke.[/QUOTE]
i'm insulating my lungs from the cold air with every drag
Good riddance
At least here, I think smoking should be allowed in bars and restaurants, as long as there is a sign up at all entrances saying the area is a designated smoking area. There'll be lots of complaining and confusion if people dont know it's a smoking area and its not worth the headache, so a sign could be a rule or something.
Though Im just balling ideas, I doubt it would happen due to the irrationality of the anti-smoking culture.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;27153989]I have asthma and second hand smoke, or smoke in general has barely any effect on it. Dust particles and cat dander are the biggest trigger. It pisses me off when people complain about second hand smoke and using their health as the scapegoat. Unless you are sitting in clouds of second hand smoke every single day its not going to have a discernible effect on your health. second hand smoke research is quickly turning from modest discovery into bloated urban myth. Most people can chain smoke for a good 50 years before they develop serious medical complications, what makes you think being around a wisp of smoke every month or so is going to have an effect on your health? Neurotic people just use second hand smoke as a ploy to feed their own issues.
"Second hand smoke is bad for my health" is a crap excuse, tell them to put the cigarette out because it smells like shit.[/QUOTE]
As someone who lived with a smoker for a good half of my life (So far. Hopefully I'll be living quite a bit longer than this, eh?) and suffers [i]from a lack of a sense of smell[/i], I would like to disagree. I lived with my father (split parents) 4 days out of every 7 from the ages of 4 to 15 (From birth to the age of 4 my parents lived together, meaning I was in the same house as him every day), during which time he smoked atrociously, going through the [url=http://www.olymall.com/images/marlboro-cigarettes06.jpg]larger cartons[/url] at an astounding rate in hindsight, purchasing 2-3 per week. During my childhood I had quite a few health problems, usually related to colds during which I would have terrible whooping coughs and be much more sick than a person usually would be, even when medicated. However, during stays with my mother I'd be much livelier and less prone to such debilitating sicknesses.
I remember going into the basement at my father's house one day when I was much younger, and simply being repelled by the amount of smoke in the air. It made my eyes water and I could taste it in the air. I spent the rest of the day trying to get that taste out of my mouth, I can remember it even now. I used to be pretty athletic, being one of the faster runners among my childhood friends. There was a field next to my elementary school that we used to run through as children, and I remember sprinting across it in 6th grade (the last year before the school moved us to other areas, goddamn teachers not wanting us to enjoy the grass.) and being able to be the first one to the other end, and it always felt great. My lungs and legs would hurt, but it would feel great to be able to run that hard. I ran that same field in 9th grade, the year I started high-school. I got to the other end, but finished at a weak jog with my lungs burning and I was coughing and hacking, with none of the same feeling. My shortness of breath has not improved much sense then, I'm still unable to run for a reasonable period of time without my lungs screaming to stop, despite being in decent shape and exercising on a semi-regular schedule. I consistently perform worse in athletic activities than my peers, even the "nerdy", "unathletic" ones. I still have a shortness of breath during extended activity, although it is not quite so bad to run extended periods since I left my father permanently 2 years ago. Noticeably, however, I have been much better as far as sickness goes, suffering much more moderate colds (and less to boot), while also not having to worry so much about the effects (I've missed more school days to sleep deprivation than sickness this year.) You can say that second hand smoke has "almost no effect" all you want, but as someone who lived with a smoker for 15 years of his life, I can tell you that that is not true. I've suffered a lot from the effects of second hand smoke in the households I've been in, and I've been far better since I have cut off exposure to that smoke.
Sorry for an unclear phrasing, bad formatting, or general shitness. It's a little past 12 AM typing this up on a whim. If any of these points are unclear, please point them out and I'll try to clarify as best I can.
Well he did say "unless you are sitting in clouds of second hand smoke every single day its not going to have a discernible effect on your health"
[QUOTE=scout1;27166325]As someone who lived with a smoker for a good half of my life (So far. Hopefully I'll be living quite a bit longer than this, eh?) and suffers [i]from a lack of a sense of smell[/i], I would like to disagree. I lived with my father (split parents) 4 days out of every 7 from the ages of 4 to 15 (From birth to the age of 4 my parents lived together, meaning I was in the same house as him every day), during which time he smoked atrociously, going through the [url=http://www.olymall.com/images/marlboro-cigarettes06.jpg]larger cartons[/url] at an astounding rate in hindsight, purchasing 2-3 per week. During my childhood I had quite a few health problems, usually related to colds during which I would have terrible whooping coughs and be much more sick than a person usually would be, even when medicated. However, during stays with my mother I'd be much livelier and less prone to such debilitating sicknesses.
I remember going into the basement at my father's house one day when I was much younger, and simply being repelled by the amount of smoke in the air. It made my eyes water and I could taste it in the air. I spent the rest of the day trying to get that taste out of my mouth, I can remember it even now. I used to be pretty athletic, being one of the faster runners among my childhood friends. There was a field next to my elementary school that we used to run through as children, and I remember sprinting across it in 6th grade (the last year before the school moved us to other areas, goddamn teachers not wanting us to enjoy the grass.) and being able to be the first one to the other end, and it always felt great. My lungs and legs would hurt, but it would feel great to be able to run that hard. I ran that same field in 9th grade, the year I started high-school. I got to the other end, but finished at a weak jog with my lungs burning and I was coughing and hacking, with none of the same feeling. My shortness of breath has not improved much sense then, I'm still unable to run for a reasonable period of time without my lungs screaming to stop, despite being in decent shape and exercising on a semi-regular schedule. I consistently perform worse in athletic activities than my peers, even the "nerdy", "unathletic" ones. I still have a shortness of breath during extended activity, although it is not quite so bad to run extended periods since I left my father permanently 2 years ago. Noticeably, however, I have been much better as far as sickness goes, suffering much more moderate colds (and less to boot), while also not having to worry so much about the effects (I've missed more school days to sleep deprivation than sickness this year.) You can say that second hand smoke has "almost no effect" all you want, but as someone who lived with a smoker for 15 years of his life, I can tell you that that is not true. I've suffered a lot from the effects of second hand smoke in the households I've been in, and I've been far better since I have cut off exposure to that smoke.
Sorry for an unclear phrasing, bad formatting, or general shitness. It's a little past 12 AM typing this up on a whim. If any of these points are unclear, please point them out and I'll try to clarify as best I can.[/QUOTE]
Your life situation seems almost identical to mine, except I spend everyday with my dad, and he smoked more than that and I haven't got ANY of those problems and have an amazing sense of smell.
Clearly it's not just the smoke.
[QUOTE=scout1;27166325]As someone who lived with a smoker for a good half of my life (So far. Hopefully I'll be living quite a bit longer than this, eh?) and suffers [i]from a lack of a sense of smell[/i], I would like to disagree. I lived with my father (split parents) 4 days out of every 7 from the ages of 4 to 15 (From birth to the age of 4 my parents lived together, meaning I was in the same house as him every day), during which time he smoked atrociously, going through the [url=http://www.olymall.com/images/marlboro-cigarettes06.jpg]larger cartons[/url] at an astounding rate in hindsight, purchasing 2-3 per week. During my childhood I had quite a few health problems, usually related to colds during which I would have terrible whooping coughs and be much more sick than a person usually would be, even when medicated. However, during stays with my mother I'd be much livelier and less prone to such debilitating sicknesses.
I remember going into the basement at my father's house one day when I was much younger, and simply being repelled by the amount of smoke in the air. It made my eyes water and I could taste it in the air. I spent the rest of the day trying to get that taste out of my mouth, I can remember it even now. I used to be pretty athletic, being one of the faster runners among my childhood friends. There was a field next to my elementary school that we used to run through as children, and I remember sprinting across it in 6th grade (the last year before the school moved us to other areas, goddamn teachers not wanting us to enjoy the grass.) and being able to be the first one to the other end, and it always felt great. My lungs and legs would hurt, but it would feel great to be able to run that hard. I ran that same field in 9th grade, the year I started high-school. I got to the other end, but finished at a weak jog with my lungs burning and I was coughing and hacking, with none of the same feeling. My shortness of breath has not improved much sense then, I'm still unable to run for a reasonable period of time without my lungs screaming to stop, despite being in decent shape and exercising on a semi-regular schedule. I consistently perform worse in athletic activities than my peers, even the "nerdy", "unathletic" ones. I still have a shortness of breath during extended activity, although it is not quite so bad to run extended periods since I left my father permanently 2 years ago. Noticeably, however, I have been much better as far as sickness goes, suffering much more moderate colds (and less to boot), while also not having to worry so much about the effects (I've missed more school days to sleep deprivation than sickness this year.) You can say that second hand smoke has "almost no effect" all you want, but as someone who lived with a smoker for 15 years of his life, I can tell you that that is not true. I've suffered a lot from the effects of second hand smoke in the households I've been in, and I've been far better since I have cut off exposure to that smoke.
Sorry for an unclear phrasing, bad formatting, or general shitness. It's a little past 12 AM typing this up on a whim. If any of these points are unclear, please point them out and I'll try to clarify as best I can.[/QUOTE]
there's a difference between spending your childhood around smoke 24/7 and spending an hour or two in a smoky bar full of adults
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;27166375]Well he did say "unless you are sitting in clouds of second hand smoke every single day its not going to have a discernible effect on your health"[/QUOTE]
It's not like that was the case though. I was only in the household about half the time (Assuming all holidays go to my mother, the majority usually did), and I was not always in the same room or even the same house, such as when I would go to school (typically 7 hours a day. 8-9 with my father because I would never be picked up as soon as school let out). Quite often I'd be in the basement and he would be upstairs, further limiting the exposure. But even with all that, I can still say that the effects weren't pretty. It doesn't require 24/7 exposure or even half of that to have an effect. The lingering effects are enough to damage and smoking shouldn't be allowed in public places, it's just an unnecessary harm upon everyone in the same facility. For something so minor as forcing someone to smoke outside, you're limiting the effects of the damage smoke causes. That's a pretty damn good tradeoff in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;27166491]there's a difference between spending your childhood around smoke 24/7 and spending an hour or two in a smoky bar full of adults[/QUOTE]
See this post. Any amount of damage from second hand smoke that's preventable with such a minor thing should be. There's no reason to expose anyone to the effects of second hand smoke no matter how "little" the damage may be.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;27166491]there's a difference between spending your childhood around smoke 24/7 and spending an hour or two in a smoky bar full of adults[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I am wrong, but the issue at hand was whether second hand smoking was bullshit or not, not HOW much of it you experienced
[QUOTE=Zondac;27166690]Correct me if I am wrong, but the issue at hand was whether second hand smoking was bullshit or not, not HOW much of it you experienced[/QUOTE]
there's a difference between the smoke of someone in the smoking section of a restaurant wafting over and living half your time in a house that was basically hotboxed
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