• Ministry Of Defence Shows Off Futuristic Uniform Design (And it looks silly)
    114 replies, posted
wtf where his cape
IDK but the augmentation thing looks pretty cool. I don't see a problem with this aside from the lack of neck protection and the parachute pants, like some people said.
[QUOTE=IJNOMED;48719749]IDK but the augmentation thing looks pretty cool. I don't see a problem with this aside from the lack of neck protection and the parachute pants, like some people said.[/QUOTE] He's not wearing parachute pants, they're normal size trousers. Like someone said earlier having loose pants dispels your natural silhouette allowing you to camouflage better.
[QUOTE=Metaru;48709114]trust me, by 2025 i'll be fashionable as fuck to wear digital camo.[/QUOTE] Weirdly enough, I go to school in Southern California, and there have been a couple of times I see people walking around campus wearing multicam pants that aren't in the school's ROTC program. Shit is bizarre yo.
[QUOTE=Araknid;48702074]It doesn't look too bad compare it to this [t]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/spanish_army_comfut_1-tfb.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] It's like that kid from A Christmas Story, but more militaristic. [editline]19th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Ignhelper;48702205]Shhh, the bullets are behind the lenses[/QUOTE] The lenses are perfect for concentrating fire. :v:
[QUOTE=Araknid;48702074]It doesn't look too bad compare it to this [t]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/spanish_army_comfut_1-tfb.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] He looks like he hates his life
Am I the only thing thinking it doesn't look as bad as it's being made out to be? Not that looks really matter that much. [editline]20th September 2015[/editline] Also how did the people filming that video and taking those picture not notice he was wearing the damn helmet crooked??
[QUOTE=cqbcat;48703481]I like how real life is coming closer to really being like space marines. [IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/BP2OSy.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] This (and other posts like it) are only proof that most military science fiction has no imagination. The US as well as other countries are already working hard on military exoskeletons and powered armor, which should allow near future infantry to be strong enough to lug around all the extra armor and equipment everyone seems to want to weight them with. This, along with the move towards having drones fill out more and more roles formerly taken by meat people, means future infantry should look more like this: [thumb]https://m2.behance.net/rendition/pm/27684283/max_1200/7028c528a75ad44cf70a753d6ac65736.jpg[/thumb]
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;48723180]This (and other posts like it) are only proof that most military science fiction has no imagination.[/QUOTE]... What do you think inspired the development and research? Powered armor comes from Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers, automatic sentry guns can be found in Alan Dean Foster's Aliens, and (here's a technology that currently exists) submarines wouldn't be possible at all without Jules Verne inspiring the idea with 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea. Most everything out there was inspired by science fiction [i]in general[/i] and hell, without Star Trek and Star Wars alone we wouldn't have had generations inspired to go into STEM careers.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48723584]... What do you think inspired the development and research? Powered armor comes from Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers, automatic sentry guns can be found in Alan Dean Foster's Aliens, and (here's a technology that currently exists) submarines wouldn't be possible at all without Jules Verne inspiring the idea with 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea. Most everything out there was inspired by science fiction [I]in general[/I] and hell, without Star Trek and Star Wars alone we wouldn't have had generations inspired to go into STEM careers.[/QUOTE] I'm very well aware of that. Unfortunately while there were and are visionaries in science fiction that make accurate predictions and even inspire future advances, most science fiction media from novels, to films and TV and especially video games seems to settle on what amounts to current (or even WW2 era) technology with glowing lights slapped on. Your average future grunt is usually a dude wearing a fancy motorcycle helmet, a solid chest plate (with maybe fancy shoulder guards) and if he's lucky some shin, wrist and crotch guards. He is covered in glowy lights that would make it very easy for enemies to target him and very hard to sneak in the dark, and his weapon (other than having a LED ammo count) is usually an oversized assault rifle, rarely even a bullpup, using current looking ammo and spitting out casings. There are almost never any real "smart gun" features involved like computer assisted aiming (a-la Aliens or the TitanFall smart pistol), guided or even just caseless ammunition or magnetic acceleration. And of course the whole glowy armor is rarely implied to be powered in any way. More importantly, the entire concept of advanced future armies primarily using grunts instead of drones is incredibly outdated considering even now everyone is hard at work stuffing drones into any military role they can fit them in to. I think something like Joe Haldeman's Forever Peace is more likely. The whole thing makes about as much sense as space fighters flying like WW2 aircraft and firing slow moving pew pew lasers.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;48723679]Unfortunately while there were and are visionaries in science fiction that make accurate predictions and even inspire future advances, most science fiction media from novels, to films and TV and especially video games seems to settle on what amounts to current (or even WW2 era) technology with glowing lights slapped on.[/QUOTE]Can you cite some examples that aren't shitty low-budget games that are uninspired in every way and not just in lore and aesthetic design? [QUOTE=ScumBunny;48723679]More importantly, the entire concept of advanced future militaries primarily using grunts instead of drones is incredibly outdated considering even now everyone is hard at work stuffing srones into any military role they can fit them in to.[/QUOTE]No it's not, and no they're not. There's a very real debate about the ethics of removing human life from warfare growing, and about the sense of making our most basic combat unit a machine vulnerable to cyberwarfare. Drones have [i]so[/i] many downsides, they're likely never going to leave a supplemental role in direct combat. Even if we get a fully functional AI (which is what you're expecting will happen) why the fuck would we even think about giving that thing a weapon when there's so many science fiction stories exploring how completely stupid of an idea that is? [editline]20th September 2015[/editline] Plus such an artificial intelligence would need to be easily manufactured and [i]cheaply[/i] manufactured to take over as a basic combat unit. We're nowhere near that point, we're not even close to having a functional AI anyway.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48723842]Can you cite some examples that aren't shitty low-budget games that are uninspired in every way and not just in lore and aesthetic design? No it's not, and no they're not. There's a very real debate about the ethics of removing human life from warfare growing, and about the sense of making our most basic combat unit a machine vulnerable to cyberwarfare. Drones have [I]so[/I] many downsides, they're likely never going to leave a supplemental role in direct combat. Even if we get a fully functional AI (which is what you're expecting will happen) why the fuck would we even think about giving that thing a weapon when there's so many science fiction stories exploring how completely stupid of an idea that is? [editline]20th September 2015[/editline] Plus such an artificial intelligence would need to be easily manufactured and [I]cheaply[/I] manufactured to take over as a basic combat unit. We're nowhere near that point, we're not even close to having a functional AI anyway.[/QUOTE] Good points. Okay, form the top of my head, science fiction with lazy space armor: Movies and TV: Starship Troopers Avatar (not counting the mechs) The new Total Recall Firefly Babylon 5 What little I've seen of Dark Matter and Killjoys suggest they don't have powered armor either, but I could be wrong on this. Video games: Doom 4 Quake 4 Gears of War Halo (almost everyone except Master Chief) Killzone Most Mass Effect armors Keep in mind that I'm referring to the whole non-powered/glowy-bits/oldschool-weapons combo most of the above match at least partially. As for the drones, there's a lot of truth in what you say but the fact is most movie/TV/game sci fi ignores the issue altogether. I don't know if fully autonomous drones will replace human soldiers completely in the very near future, but we're already seeing controlled and semi-autonomous drones filling a lot of roles in modern air forces, a trend that is only accelerating in recent years. And we're already seeing the early stages of the same processes in modern land and naval forces as well. So while I agree that we're not going to see an army of intelligent robot soldiers I do believe in the near future we'll move more and more towards an army where a lot of roles traditionally manned by soldiers are taken by remotely controlled drones, drone swarms etc. By the way, I mentioned Haldeman's Forever Peace because it describes a future where the west is deploying remote controlled war machines to fight an endless war against the third world. Highly recommended. Also his earlier novel Forever War (like Starship Troopers, only less optimistic). Anyway, I could be wrong, of course. The thing that bothers me is that it's not something most media even bothers considering. Like I said, in most games war looks like WW2 with glowy lights, not the high tech affair it has been for the last couple of decades.
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;48701996][IMG]http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/secondary/Soldier-347992.jpg[/IMG].[/QUOTE] I think they're going somewhat in the right direction.. [quote][t]http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110605163143/fallout/images/9/92/Imperial_guard_lg.gif[/t] [t]http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/4/48/IG_Veteran_vs._Tyranid.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20140508162820[/t] [/quote]
[QUOTE=Cmx;48702453][img]http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/secondary/Army-347993.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] What's the point of having hearing protection if there is a space between the guy's ears and the helmet? Also, that hud looks really silly and useless. I mean, obviously it's just a prototype model or even a dummy, but i can't imagine a single situation in which that giant ridiculous holo thing would be even remotely useful. I like the cameras placement though. Looks like a pretty smart decision to me, especially if combined with a gun mounted camera. Not sure why there are three of them though.
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;48709613]this, really. he looks like more of a tester than an actual soldier.[/QUOTE] truly seeing an actual soldier is like looking in the face of death. [thumb]http://b.1339.cf/eevnnwg.jpg[/thumb]
[QUOTE=latin_geek;48702936]nice helmet, guy [IMG]http://media.bloxi.com/media/uploads/images/3e89f8aa-115a-4e38-8265-e8caac4a41f3.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=StupidUsername67;48708389]literally the first thing that came to mind. the helmet is ridiculous looking.[/QUOTE] Dont knock it, the russians have been rocking it for a while now :v: [img]http://i.imgur.com/9SaRWU6.png[/img] even goofier with a fabric cover [t]http://kprfnsk.ru/upload/iblock/137/29aug_specnaz_03.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Antlerp;48718052]wtf where his cape[/QUOTE] thats ministry of dark arts
If it works, why does it need to look cool?
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48723584]... What do you think inspired the development and research? Powered armor comes from Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers, automatic sentry guns can be found in Alan Dean Foster's Aliens, and (here's a technology that currently exists) submarines wouldn't be possible at all without Jules Verne inspiring the idea with 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea. Most everything out there was inspired by science fiction [i]in general[/i] and hell, without Star Trek and Star Wars alone we wouldn't have had generations inspired to go into STEM careers.[/QUOTE] Submarines were used almost a hundred years before 20,000 leagues under the sea. Look up 'Turtle' it was a submarine that was used against British forces in the revolutionary war.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;48723940]Okay, form the top of my head, science fiction with lazy space armor:[/QUOTE]I don't really consider any of those having "lazy" space armor, can you be more specific? Some of them have questionable armor design choices (you really should have pointed out Star Wars stormtroopers than anything else) but most on that list aren't flashy or particularly noteworthy, they're just straightforward with a little aesthetic flair. Yeah you have things like Mass Effect but at the same time in that universe camouflage is either an active deal or doesn't matter at all. (though I agree, the glowy lights looks kind of neat but it stupid) Mind you some of those I haven't played or watched, but I still don't know how Starship Troopers, Halo, (no glowy bits on the armor anywhere except on the Covenant forces, who largely wear elaborate ceremonial armor and focus on appearance so that point is moot) and Firefly. Actually in regards to that last one, most of the armor in that series is in the form of this "western" style of retrofuturistic that Firefly sort of made famous, that's not lazy or uninspired at all, it's aesthetically and intellectually interesting given the lore of the series. [QUOTE=ScumBunny;48723940]As for the drones, there's a lot of truth in what you say but the fact is most movie/TV/game sci fi ignores the issue altogether.[/QUOTE]Well games might, but that's not part of the actual lore design. There's plenty of automated drone systems in a lot of the sci-fi video games you mentioned but they aren't featured in the game in any meaningful way because they're not really important plot devices and they're not exactly worthy of mentioning most of the time. [QUOTE=ScumBunny;48723940]So while I agree that we're not going to see an army of intelligent robot soldiers I do believe in the near future we'll move more and more towards an army where a lot of roles traditionally manned by soldiers are taken by remotely controlled drones, drone swarms etc. By the way, I mentioned Haldeman's Forever Peace because it describes a future where the west is deploying remote controlled war machines to fight an endless war against the third world. Highly recommended. Also his earlier novel Forever War (like Starship Troopers, only less optimistic).[/QUOTE]We're already seeing issues with drones that are just a part of the game, they're inherently vulnerable to cyberwarfare and I think as technology increases they'll be more focused on alleviating supply issues than actually being used in combat. I mean for every soldier there's like five non-combatants or something, removing even one of them reduces your force size by about 16% without a reduction in capability. That's a much more effective use of drones and unmanned vehicles than throwing them in combat where they're likely going to be a target of attacks on their command signal or their actual software, hell, simply disabling them through electromagnetic pulses severely reducing a combat force's total strength. Also thanks for the reference, I'll check them out. [QUOTE=ScumBunny;48723940]Anyway, I could be wrong, of course. The thing that bothers me is that it's not something most media even bothers considering. Like I said, in most games war looks like WW2 with glowy lights, not the high tech affair it has been for the last couple of decades.[/QUOTE]See I don't necessarily mind the WWII dogfight style because if you could emulate in space combat it would be easier on a human pilot. I like how Battlestar Galactica did it, there was Newtonian physics at play but they still operated using a doctrine that's not only familiar to us but also clearly developed from terrestrial air combat. (I mean, something had to have existed before the Viper Mk.II right?) Plus certain "magic" sci-fi technologies could influence the way the fighters and ships move, perhaps making it look or behave somewhat like that. If you had something that could dampen the inertial effects on a spacecraft, would it influence how it moved through space-time? Like how a gyroscope behaves when you try to move against it's axis of rotation? Maybe that's why everything isn't flying a million miles an hour, they're constantly experiencing drag created by this device that makes a 98g turn feel like a 8g turn. [editline]20th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48725177]Submarines were used almost a hundred years before 20,000 leagues under the sea. Look up 'Turtle' it was a submarine that was used against British forces in the revolutionary war.[/QUOTE]Yes, technically there have been submersibles in the past but have they inspired future technology? The Turtle was a one-off, nobody followed up with it and the CSA Alligator was another one-off deal, it was Jules Verne that really described a modern submarine and it wasn't until the 20th century that they were fully realized.
I don't think by 2025 we'll go beyond regular modern soldier look. If anything, soldiers will look more like the ones from [url=http://www.armatog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/arma3_nato_soldier_fullgear.jpg]Arma[/url] It's a prototype. Once it's been put through vigorous testing, I'm sure they will put those silly cameras somewhere else. Also, I don't see a carrier vest. Where dem mags at?!
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48726801]Lots of good points.[/QUOTE] Okay, this is one of my favorite topics but I'll try to keep it reasonably short. When I say most science fiction armor is lazy I mean exactly what you said: that it's essentially what a contemporary soldier wears, somewhere between the Vietnam era [URL="http://d12vb6dvkz909q.cloudfront.net/uploads/galleries/3514/starship_troopers_large_05.jpeg"]flak vest, equipment belt and no sleeves[/URL] look to the [URL="http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/f/f7/ReachConcept_SoldierVariant.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20100126003855"]modern Afghanistan tacticool[/URL] style, except with "future" flare like excessive shoulder pads, blue lights and segmented textures. The thing is, just look at how much a soldier's gear progressed between WW2 and now. Why would a soldier in a future where technology advanced to the point of FTL travel be wearing something slightly less protective than what an American soldier wore in Afghanistan? No, science fiction is speculative fiction, so let's speculate. Maybe soldiers will be wearing powered armor like in Starship Troopers and Forever War, making them walking, flying armies-of-one, each deploying all the armor and weapons its technology can carry. Maybe they'll wear unitards made of advanced materials like in Old Man's War that can provide protection and camouflage, adjust to different environments and even provide medical care. Maybe like in Forever Peace or Armada soldiers will remotely operate robot soldiers. Maybe there will even be fully autonomous Terminators. And the weapons? We're already developing [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2540879/US-Military-testing-smart-rifle-automatically-aim-turn-ANYONE-sharp-shooter.html"]smart weapons[/URL] and [URL="http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/29/us/us-military-self-guided-bullet/"]smart bullets[/URL] , why think that even if if stick with ballistic weapons for the next couple of centuries we wont make crazy advancement that go far beyond holographic ammo counters and blue lights on the side of the barrel? You know what game made interesting future soldier guesses? Titanfall. You have personal gear that lets soldiers jetpack around and run up walls, smart guns with computer assisted aiming and a shitload of robot drone soldiers running around as cannon fodder, keeping most of the bullets away from the precious meat troopers. The titans themselves make about as much sense as space fighters, though. See, as awesome as the idea of piloting a giant man sized robot or a space fighter jet, these ideas just don't make sense in the real world even if technology allowed them. Space is huge. If fighting ever did happen in it it would be more like modern naval combat: fought at ridiculous distances with weapons that travel at the speed of light. There will be no dogfighting- you can't dodge a laser beam. And in any case there's no point limiting yourself by putting a slow thinking human that gets all squishy if the acceleration is too hard inside your craft. So again: drones. By the way, Firefly used props from Starship Troopers for the [URL="http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/191618FireflySD2.jpg"]evil Alliance soldiers[/URL]. So did the Power Ranger in at least one season, I think.
Related: [video=youtube;_w_0stlqq5g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=12&v=_w_0stlqq5g[/video] [video=youtube;GUMg4KADC0E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUMg4KADC0E[/video] [video=youtube;_OiVOOjEOC0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OiVOOjEOC0[/video]
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.