German Cities Refugee Crime investigation unit releases hard numbers and facts - Polidicks

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49626869]Germany has been already accused of not only fudging the numbers but also covering up the truth as well. Of course [I]proving[/I] these allegations are hard, but it does cast some doubt on what this guy's saying especially when the media's easily saturated with stories of young migrant men who shouldn't even be in Germany to begin with doing bad things.[/QUOTE] No, it doesn't even remotely provide enough to cast doubt on anything. Accusations alone are not enough to discredit someone so Germany being accused of fudging numbers doesn't even remotely cast any doubt, unless there is some sort of basis for this accusation and Germany has a huge history of fudging numbers in which case I'm talking out my ass. As for the media they're likely just taking what's a popular issue and running with it, as the media always does. If there was a huge climate of anti-Slavic feelings in Germany right now there would probably be a huge saturation of stories of Slavs committing crimes.

There's a legitimate fudging of the statistics by cherry-picking on what to report on. If one looks at Germany's use of the police force you'd know that a lot of the refugees/migrants are actually never charged for what they did; they're held in detention and then let go. This clearly intentionally moves the statistics in the favour by basing them on convictions then, which allow most of the criminals (Not all refugee/migrants are criminals, mind you) to actually not appear on the lists. Congratulations, Killuah. I do understand that most of us are on opposing viewpoints of the current crisis, but it's one thing to decry Rumbler from posting his slanted views only to turn around and post your own, all while complaining and bitching about us instead of actually debating. I don't understand why you have such a hostile attitude towards the people who wish for this crisis to end with deportations of the majority, but I hope you overcome such vulgarities.

.[QUOTE=pkhzor;49629593]I have a feeling the Killuah is a muslim who has a lot of 'refugee' relatives and that's why he feels such an urge to fog up the truth about the crime statistics. Can't say anything bad about my people or else. It's been pointed out multiple times that the statistics are skewed to avoid public backlash against the refugees.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49629862]My money's on agnostic, white and self-loathing.[/QUOTE] Can we please stick to arguing facts and opinions instead of resorting to ad hominem, this is pathetic

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49630196]"fog up the truth" "his article doesn't agree with my narrative"[/QUOTE] ...his article doesn't agree with the truth, which is that German authorities have been covering up and attempting to cover up crimes committed by these people in their own country-- who have been guilty of committing everything from property damage, theft, and shoplifting to obviously (obvious to anyone who pays attention to the news that is) rape, murder, assault, and sexual harassment. It's not a matter of "this is [i]his[/i] personal narrative"; this is what has been going on, verifiably, for months now. [QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49630196]i mean, the fact that you're putting refugees in scare quotes says basically everything for me[/QUOTE] Probably because it doesn't agree with your narrative, which is that there's no problems at all since these people were let in. That's bullshit, no matter who's saying it. The German government has since closed its border with Austria to try and stem the migrant flow, because, surprise, turns out there's a lot of issues with letting this many people who come from a vastly different culture and maintain an equally different lifestyle into your country unimpeded-- from rises in petty crimes and serious offenses to small native communities being overwhelmed by their influx (and thusly increased tensions between native Germans and these migrants), problems with assimilation (of course), potential issues with terrorism, etc. The fact of the matter is that Germany should never have even attempted to be this accommodating in the first place. This was just excessive all the way around; they let people in freely to the point where they were swamped and admitted that they couldn't process everybody (again, hence why they've curtailed their open-door policies since October-Novemberish). [editline]29th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=da space core;49630881]Can we please stick to arguing facts and opinions instead of resorting to ad hominem, this is pathetic[/QUOTE] Not really. It's a perfectly normal and sensible thing to think about, especially considering how many Germans aren't enthusiastic to be taking these people in, think they're causing problems in the short term and will cause problems in the long term, etc. Not to say all feel this way, but there's definitely much more pessimism now than before.

I wonder is Ingsoc Merkels party or what? What's happening there is strait up totalitarian, its a fucking joke. A professor says he is scared for his childrens future and then he gets arrested.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49630991]I dont understand this "They fudge the statistics so that they can bring more refugees in" narrative. Motive is always missing. What do the policemen, the politicians, the reporters have to gain from this coverup? Why would they do so? [editline]29th January 2016[/editline] Now this is wrong. Not all germans are against the refugees for starters,furthermore, SH isnt a whining safespace. He said dumb stuff and got banned for it, people shouldnt be discussing that instead of the article.[/QUOTE] The idea is that the politicians don't want to look like they are wrong. I wouldn't call it a coverup, i would call it flawed policy, after reading jordax's post and his sources. I can see how these statistics can be skewed. However, this is the fault of poor higher level management, the proper response is not Islamophobia, which is a position some have unfortunately taken.