Conor Oberst Rape Accuser: 'I Made Up Lies to Get Attention' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Swilly;45398542]It is a chargable offense, any false claim that wastes Emergency resources is a crime. Its a misdemeanor though.[/QUOTE]No I mean having a record of crime you did not commit.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;45398558]No I mean having a record of crime you did not commit.[/QUOTE] No, its not. It'll be on his record that he was charged and the charges were dropped. Most people don't go beyond the 'being charged with'. In the US at least, there is only one way for your record to get expunged, and that's when you turn 18.

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;45397121]People like her who falsely and knowingly accuses someone of rape are just as bad as those who do rape.[/QUOTE] It's moronic to to make that comparison, especially about sensitive crimes like that, where every situation can be wildly different. Secondly, here are some of the social impacts of rape. [quote]These injuries can be caused by friends, family and most often by the professionals victims encounter as a result of the crime. Law enforcement officers, prosecutors, judges, social service workers, the media, coroners, clergy, and even mental health professionals can cause secondary injuries. Those individuals may lack the ability or training to provide the necessary comfort and assistance to the victim. Often, those individuals blame the victim for the crime.[/quote] [url]http://www.svfreenyc.org/survivors_factsheet_49.html#6[/url] [quote]2) The majority of mental health professionals surveyed (84%) agreed that contact with social service providers retraumatizes rape victims. a) Eightyone percent of study participants believed that the legal system's treatment of rape victims is psychologically detrimental. b) Eightynine percent of study participants agreed that the medical, postrape exam was traumatizing for rape survivors. c) Fiftyeight percent of study participants implicated mental health professionals in contributing to secondary victimization of rape survivors through harmful practices.[/quote] [url]https://www.musc.edu/vawprevention/r...ctimrape.shtml[/url] [quote]one in 10 respondents consider most claims of rape to be ‘probably false’, and more than half the female respondents think there are situations when the rape victim is to blame.[/quote] [url]http://www.emmainteractive.com/index...12&Itemid=3158[/url] Thirdly, psychological impacts. [quote]men who are sexually assaulted are highly unlikely to report their victimization[/quote] [url]http://www.prearesourcecenter.org/si...nsequences.pdf[/url] [quote][img]http://i.imgur.com/blzM4KQ.png[/img][/quote] [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2761643/[/url] [quote]Sexual abuse in childhood is associated with later incidents of deliberate self-harm and may well be an etiologic factor in its development.[/quote] [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7653690[/url] Not listed is the physical harm, pregnancy, and/or STDs that can be consequences of rape.

Not to mention that the damage from rape is inherent in the act while the damage from false accusation is because of how we react to accusations. You can't make rape any less bad, but you can certainly remind people that an accusation doesn't equal a conviction (something that so many people, even here, seem to forget).

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;45397121]People like her who falsely and knowingly accuses someone of rape are just as bad as those who do rape.[/QUOTE] Are you honestly comparing the heinous crime of forcing sex onto someone unwilling and unwanting to a lie? Don't get me wrong, I hate that people lie about rape because not only does it potentially ruin an individuals reputation for life in addition to devaluing and undermining legitimate rape accusations, but this is a fucking stupid comparison and the amount of agrees this post has for me shows that a lot of people are completely ignorant to how horrible this crime is.

what a fucking cunt

Certain crimes, such as rape and murder, should have both the victim and the defendant both being anonymous, with the defendant's identity only being revealed if they are found guilty in a court of law.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;45397146]They're not comparable crimes[/QUOTE] In some ways a false accusation can be a horrible crime. Especially when the falsely accused has some other element in his life that is lost. Let's say a teacher falsely accused- no career after that. Think about it, your entire future is gone, the one you were living. Now you have to start all over again, with many still thinking you're a rapist. Now consider someone famous, someone with a public career. Not only do you lose there, but publicly you've been declared a rapist. I don't think you can split hairs on what's more horrible when both things are unacceptable(being raped, being falsely accused of it).

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[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;45397121]People like her who falsely and knowingly accuses someone of rape are just as bad as those who do rape.[/QUOTE] In absolutely no way are being falsely accused of rape and actually being raped equal in any way. There are some crimes that this would apply to, but not rape, absolutely not.

[QUOTE=TamTamJam;45399342]Are you honestly comparing the heinous crime of forcing sex onto someone unwilling and unwanting to a lie? [/QUOTE] A lie that has a potential (and intention, let's not forget intention, it's a big thing in the court of law) to put you in prison where you have less than comforting chances to get raped yourself, that absolutely will ruin your life starting from the point of accusation and report. These crimes are wildly different indeed, but long-term effects and consequences for the victim are more or less comparable.

[QUOTE=gudman;45399788]A lie that has a potential to put you in prison where you have less than comforting chances to get raped yourself, that absolutely will ruin your life starting from the point of accusation and report. These crimes are wildly different indeed, but long-term effects and consequences for the victim are more or less comparable.[/QUOTE] so being accused of being a rapist is worse than being raped because... you MIGHT get raped? [editline]15th July 2014[/editline] *claps enthusiastically*

[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;45396754]It's people like these who make extremist feminists and SJWs look like a gaggle of bratty "my way or the highway" teenagers who will never actually help their case and will never be taken seriously.[/QUOTE] Why even bring up this complete non sequitur, it just shits up the thread

[QUOTE=innerfire34;45399802]so being accused of getting raped is worse than rape because... you MIGHT get raped? [editline]15th July 2014[/editline] *claps enthusiastically*[/QUOTE] Because I totally said exactly this, right? I'd compliment your ability to read more than five words, but it seems excessive.

[QUOTE=gudman;45399824]Because I totally said exactly this, right? I'd compliment your ability to read more than five words, but it seems excessive.[/QUOTE] you literally think accusing someone of rape is as bad as raping someone, i'd tone down your condescension bud

[QUOTE=innerfire34;45399852]you literally think accusing someone of rape is as bad as raping someone, i'd tone down your condescension bud[/QUOTE] You can not read a simple thing and you tell me what I "literally" think? That's quite ironic. I'm pretty sure I know better what I think, and that's not that.

[QUOTE=gudman;45399894]You can not read a simple thing and you tell me what I "literally" think? That's quite ironic. I'm pretty sure I know better what I think, and that's not that.[/QUOTE] Im not sure why you are trying to argue with mr.strawman

[QUOTE=gudman;45399894]You can not read a simple thing and you tell me what I "literally" think? That's quite ironic. I'm pretty sure I know better what I think, and that's not that.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=gudman;45399788]long-term effects and consequences for the victim are more or less comparable.[/QUOTE] ^this isn't true i'm glad i could clear things up for you

[QUOTE=gudman;45399788]A lie that has a potential (and intention, let's not forget intention, it's a big thing in the court of law) to put you in prison where you have less than comforting chances to get raped yourself, that absolutely will ruin your life starting from the point of accusation and report. These crimes are wildly different indeed, but long-term effects and consequences for the victim are more or less comparable.[/QUOTE] you dogg how about you just don't have this argument? you just said "these crimes are wildly different" so what do you have to gain by arguing a point that is impossible to prove?

[QUOTE=innerfire34;45399955]^this isn't true i'm glad i could clear things up for you[/QUOTE] And how is that not true exactly? You can not compare long lasting effects on victims of false rape accusation and actual rape? I am sure you [b]can[/b] compare that, as opposed to comparing the crimes themselves, which was the point of the post I was replying to? Because when people say "one is as bad as the other" they more commonly mean the lasting effects two crimes have on victims, that would include both psychological damage and social interaction. And for the record, I never said one of these as bad as the other, and I do not support that claim; I pointed out that comparing the two is fair, unlike comparing crimes themselves, the latter being impossible.

[QUOTE=gudman;45400064]And how is that not true exactly? You can not compare long lasting effects on victims of false rape accusation and actual rape? I am sure you [b]can[/b] compare that, as opposed to comparing the crimes themselves, which was the point of the post I was replying to? Because when people say "one is as bad as the other" they more commonly mean the lasting effects two crimes have on victims, that would include both psychological damage and social interaction. And for the record, I never said one of these as bad as the other, and I do not support that claim; I pointed out that comparing the two is fair, unlike comparing crimes themselves, the latter being impossible.[/QUOTE] If you think the social, psychological and physical damage of rape is comparable to the effects of being falsely accused of rape, you are ridiculous. Honestly I can feel my heartbeat in my eyeball right now just because the thought that someone thinks like this is in my mind.

[quote=gudman] A lie that has a potential (and intention, let's not forget intention, it's a big thing in the court of law) to put you in prison where you have less than comforting chances to get raped yourself, that absolutely will ruin your life starting from the point of accusation and report. These crimes are wildly different indeed, but long-term effects and consequences for the victim are more or less comparable.[/quote] Do you honestly even know how traumatic and psycologically devastating rape can be? Honestly both are terrible things to do to a person, but accusing is nowhere near as terrible as the effects that rape victims feel.[/quote[] [quote]After a rape, sexual abuse or attempted rape, a person who has been victimized often experiences what Ann Burgess and Lynda Holmstrom coined Rape Trauma Syndrome in 1974. RAINN outlines those three phases and their effects as follows: The Acute Phase: This phase occurs immediately after the assault and usually lasts a few days to several weeks. In this phase individuals can have many reactions but they typically fall into three categories of reactions: Expressed- This is when the survivor is openly emotional. He or she may appear agitated or hysterical, he or she may suffer from crying spells or anxiety attacks. Controlled- This is when the survivor appears to be without emotion and acts as if “nothing happened” and “everything is fine.” This appearance of calm may be shock. Shocked Disbelief- This is when the survivor reacts with a strong sense of disorientation. He or she may have difficulty concentrating, making decisions, or doing everyday tasks. He or she may also have poor recall of the assault. The Outward Adjustment Phase: During this phase the individual resumes what appears to be his or her “normal” life but inside is suffering from considerable turmoil. In this phase there are five primary coping techniques: Minimization- Pretends that “everything is fine” or that “it could have been worse.” Dramatization- Cannot stop talking about the assault and it is what dominates their life and identity. Suppression- Refuses to discuss, acts as if it did not happen. Explanation- Analyzes what happened- what the individual did, what the rapist was thinking/feeling. Flight- Tries to escape the pain (moving, changing jobs, changing appearance, changing relationships, etc.). There are many symptoms or behaviors that appear during this phase including: Continuing anxiety, severe mood swings, a sense of helplessness, persistent fears or phobias, depression, rage, difficulty sleeping (nightmares, insomnia, etc), eating difficulties (nausea, vomiting, compulsive eating, etc), denial, withdrawal from friends, family, activities, hypervigilance, reluctance to leave house and/or go places that remind the individual of the assault, sexual problems, difficulty concentrating and/or flashbacks. The Resolution Phase: During this phase the assault is no longer the central focus of the individual’s life. While he or she may recognize that he or she will never forget the assault; the pain and negative outcomes lessen over time. Often the individual will begin to accept the rape as part of his or her life and chooses to move on. Some rape victims do not get to that resolution phase or take a long time to get to it, particularly those in communities or areas where they are blamed for their rapes or are without support and counseling resources. Rape survivors also -- sometimes even years and years after a rape -- often have to deal with difficult reactions to their rapes from their sexual or romantic partners. Given how much cultural stock is still put in women's value as a sexual value -- and how often rape is seen as having "spoiled" a woman sexually -- and given the kinds of anger men have towards other men, but often misdirect at women, the person one'd often look to for the most support can sometimes be just one more source of stress. Too, since those who are raped do not tend to get a say in birth control or safer sex, many rape survivors also have to handle unwanted pregnancies and sexually transmitted infections in the midst of all the other trauma they’re dealing with. [URL="http://www.scarleteen.com/what_is_rape_what_is_it_like_to_be_raped"]http://www.scarleteen.com/what_is_ra...ke_to_be_raped[/URL][/quote] To even say that rape is worse would be misleading, because they are completely incomparable. But defending potential rapists (i.e. those who have neither been convicted nor acquitted [and I'm not talking about this case at all]) can lead to no good. Taking a (especially public) stand against false rape accusers is a pretty bad idea, because it could mean that even less rapes being reported, more intimidation towards rape victims.

[QUOTE=gudman;45400064]And how is that not true exactly? You can not compare long lasting effects on victims of false rape accusation and actual rape? I am sure you [b]can[/b] compare that, as opposed to comparing the crimes themselves, which was the point of the post I was replying to? Because when people say "one is as bad as the other" they more commonly mean the lasting effects two crimes have on victims, that would include both psychological damage and social interaction. And for the record, I never said one of these as bad as the other, and I do not support that claim; I pointed out that comparing the two is fair, unlike comparing crimes themselves, the latter being impossible.[/QUOTE] keep on diggin' that grave

[QUOTE=TamTamJam;45400088]If you think the social, psychological and physical damage of rape is comparable to the effects of being falsely accused of rape, you are ridiculous. Honestly I can feel my heartbeat in my eyeball right now just because the thought that someone thinks like this is in my mind.[/QUOTE] Where did you get "physical" from my post? Yes I think they are comparable. And no, I don't think they are the same or the comparison would be "in favor" of false accusation. I think they are comparable mainly because the effects of both are very destructive in their own accord, but not universal from victim to victim.

[QUOTE=gudman;45400176]Where did you get "physical" from my post? Yes I think they are comparable. And no, I don't think they are the same or the comparison would be "in favor" of false accusation. I think they are comparable mainly because the effects of both are very destructive in their own accord, but not universal from victim to victim.[/QUOTE] Then compare them. Outline your argument, what aspects of being raped are similar to the aspects of being accused of raped? Give me a t- chart or a venn diagram or at least the rhetorical equivalent of them

[QUOTE=gudman;45400176]Where did you get "physical" from my post? Yes I think they are comparable. And no, I don't think they are the same or the comparison would be "in favor" of false accusation. I think they are comparable mainly because the effects of both are very destructive in their own accord, but not universal from victim to victim.[/QUOTE] "let's ignore the physical aspect of a rape crime to unnecessarily compare it to a totally different one [I]because we [B]can[/B][/I]"

[QUOTE=gudman;45400176]Where did you get "physical" from my post? Yes I think they are comparable. And no, I don't think they are the same or the comparison would be "in favor" of false accusation. I think they are comparable mainly because the effects of both are very destructive in their own accord, but not universal from victim to victim.[/QUOTE] So what you're saying is generally the long term effects of rape are the same as the long term effects of [i]being accused of rape[/i]. [editline]15th July 2014[/editline] The fact that a person can have thoughts like this and think they are logical and sound genuinely disturbs me.

[QUOTE=innerfire34;45399852]you literally think accusing someone of rape is as bad as raping someone, i'd tone down your condescension bud[/QUOTE] Well if you think about it, a false accusation is raping your future.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;45400257]Well if you think about it, a false accusation is raping your future.[/QUOTE] We're talking about literal rape, not figurative rape.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;45400257]Well if you think about it, a false accusation is raping your future.[/QUOTE] wow... thats deep. really makes u think