Conor Oberst Rape Accuser: 'I Made Up Lies to Get Attention' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Impact1986;45406245]Posting reports from mainstream sites is hardly actively seeking. I haven't seen this report posted here, so I posted it. Should we only post news that are fitting your view of the world?[/QUOTE] Lol can you stop trying to act all innocent here. You have a stupid agenda against women/feminists/"SJWs" and a cursory look at your post history shows that

[QUOTE=itisjuly;45406300]You're trying to look too deep into it. There doesn't need to be an angle.[/QUOTE] Im sure impact can answer for himself mate, you don't need to hold his hand. (also cut the feigned innocence bullshit, pretty much every article this guy has posted is about false rape claims or something similar, you look like two kids who just broke a window asking "what window!?" while standing right in front of it)

[QUOTE=innerfire34;45405919]Quote.[/QUOTE] Where did I say it was worse? I literally just said it's not absurd to compare them.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45406352]Lol can you stop trying to act all innocent here. You have a stupid agenda against women/feminists/"SJWs" and a cursory look at your post history shows that[/QUOTE] Yeah look at my post history and tell me about all these hateful posts against women/feminists/SJW.

[QUOTE=Impact1986;45406748]Yeah look at my post history and tell me about all these hateful posts against women/feminists/SJW.[/QUOTE] your ratings kinda communicate a distrust for minorities or victims towards circumstances like what the article is about. i've seen only mra types do this (like what lachz0r said) and your habits scream this

It's people like this that make it increasingly difficult for real victims to find justice. The sheer rarity of false reports is ignored, as a single public case of a lie completely overshadows real victims who are again marginalized. When I've seen what rape can do to people, and how it's affected someone that I love, I will not stand idly by and just watch liars ruin the reputation of actual victims.

[QUOTE=Ripmax;45405897]Not really. Lets take a worst case scenario, you've been falsely accused of raping a child, it goes to court, your name is plastered all over your local news, you're found guilty and get 8 years in prison, you're now in prison with murderers and people who have committed other heinous crimes and every single one of them will try and kill you, since people in prison for offenses against children are targeted by other inmates, so if you somehow survive those 8 years in prison you are released, but now you're on the sex offenders register for life, everyone knows your name and what you look like, you have to find a new place to live that must be over 1000m from a school or playground, you have to visit a police station every week, and every vigilante is wanting to find you and beat your ass. Your life is ruined, everyone hates your guts, your chances of finding a job are slim, and you will forever be known as a child sex offender even if you go to court and prove it was false, and all from something you never even did. False rape accusations completely ruins your life, and causes people to kill themselves. It's not absurd to compare it to a similar life ruining experience which also causes the victims to take their own lives.[/QUOTE] just stop comparing them it IS absurd. being falsely accused of murder is worse than being falsely accused of rape because if you get convicted you spend the rest of your life in jail

Both rape and false rape accusations can turn your life into fucking hell. Can. Potentially. Depends on the actual case. So when somebody says "Both of these can destroy your life." they are right. Both can potentially destroy your life. Emotionally. Socially. Your family. Your career. Anything. So responding "You can't compare that." is fucking absurd when somebody [B]just did so[/B].

on the flipside, you could be falesly accused of rape, have a rock solid alibi and the accuser could admit to their wrongdoing after police questioning without your name ever being released (name suppression is a thing in most countries in regards to unproven guilt) resulting in them being charged with filing a false police report and you not being affected whatsoever, so by this logic of hypotheticals that result from false accusations, it turns out false rape accusations are infinitely better than rape!

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45407290]on the flipside, you could be falesly accused of rape, have a rock solid alibi and the accuser could admit to their wrongdoing after police questioning without your name ever being released (name suppression is a thing in most countries in regards to unproven guilt) resulting in them being charged with filing a false police report and you not being affected whatsoever, so by this logic of hypotheticals that result from false accusations, it turns out false rape accusations are infinitely better than rape![/QUOTE]Then sue the accuser.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;45407427]Then sue the accuser.[/QUOTE] Some people might remember the case of [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1307176"]Horst Arnold[/URL]. His daughter was trying to get justice for the 5 years her father spend in prison. Even after his death, his family still hasn't received any kind of compensation. They even had to give up the trial on the accuser because she didn't have the means to pay the family and the accuser's lawyer was being paid by taxpayer money anyway, so she could dragged this on for as long she wants.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;45406835]your ratings kinda communicate a distrust for minorities or victims towards circumstances like what the article is about. i've seen only mra types do this (like what lachz0r said) and your habits scream this[/QUOTE] What ratings are you talking about? Distrust for minorities? What? It is all in your head man.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;45406169]False rape accusation is probably the easiest way to imprison an innocent and while they do not get death penalty legally, their life is almost over. Shit is fucked up how easy it is. As long as there is no grounded alibi or evidence that you didn't do it, you're fucked.[/QUOTE] Uh maybe it's different in latvia but over here it's super hard to convict someone and because of that almost no rapes get reported. Maybe you just have some fucked up judical system but it's "Inoccent until proven guilty" here and it's really difficult to prove that someone did something to you when you two were alone.

[QUOTE=bunguer;45397305]That's a shit argument, you wouldn't ever be punished if you didn't have enough evidence, that doesn't happen with anything. The only way you would be punished would be if you had proof that it was a false accusation - that's what most people defend it should happen. Punishing for lack of evidence is a ridiculous concept and I've never saw anyone pushing that way.[/QUOTE] Keep in mind that you're comparing two things here. a) state punishment b) social punishment It's fairly common for people who have been cleared of all rape charges in the end, to still suffer a very large amount of social punishment. You have friends abandoning them, schools or jobs throwing them out and a lot of other things, merely based on the fact that they were charged with rape. In the US, there's also a number of registries, where it it's actually quite a battle to get your name stricken out even after you've been cleared as far as I've been told. - Mind you, this is from the position of western society. Rape victims suffer horribly socially outside of it. [editline]16th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=The Saiko;45407554]Uh maybe it's different in latvia but over here it's super hard to convict someone and because of that almost no rapes get reported. Maybe you just have some fucked up judical system but it's "Inoccent until proven guilty" here and it's really difficult to prove that someone did something to you when you two were alone.[/QUOTE] Rape is actually fairly complex since you have two bits to proof. a) sexual act happened b) there was consent. While the first does generally follow normal criminal procedure, there's a number of limited cases, in a lot of legal systems, where the second case is turned inside in. And the defendant must prove to an extent that consent was given or that s/he thought there was some. As such, rape really is one of the easier ways to get someone into prison. It's basically due to the fact that rape is fairly rare from a criminal sense, since it's basically concerning an action that is generally legal, but only in the case that parties consent. Generally virtually all other things are illegal and you can't actually even consent to them. You can't give someone consent to harm you (in the exceptions of doctos), you can't give someone consent to drug you or kill you. But you can give someone consent to have sex with you.

Saying that being accused of rape is just as bad as being accused is a bit much (haven't been in either situation) but that doesn't mean that being accused doesn't do some serious damage. Fact is, a person who has not been raped can easily make a false accusation and get and get an innocent imprisoned while person who has been raped may easily find themselves unable to prove that they were a victim. I can't see how you could possibly disagree with me on this. We have to go with the evidence. We can't do what feminists want and just assume that every accusation is true because "why would anybody do that?!?". False rape accusations are a great way to get innocent people that you hate imprisoned and to put it simple, they generally play on existing perceptions of weakness to win over peoples sympathy.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45409586]Saying that being accused of rape is just as bad as being accused is a bit much (haven't been in either situation) but that doesn't mean that being accused doesn't do some serious damage. Fact is, a person who has not been raped can easily make a false accusation and get and get an innocent imprisoned while person who has been raped may easily find themselves unable to prove that they were a victim. I can't see how you could possibly disagree with me on this. We have to go with the evidence. We can't do what feminists want and just assume that every accusation is true because "why would anybody do that?!?". False rape accusations are a great way to get innocent people that you hate imprisoned and to put it simple, they generally play on existing perceptions of weakness to win over peoples sympathy.[/QUOTE] I don't know what justice system you're talking about, but in the real world, when the only evidence is one person's testimony, that's not a conviction. [editline]16th July 2014[/editline] [quote]We can't do what feminists want and just assume that every accusation is true because "why would anybody do that?!?". [/quote] Give me an example of a feminist who says that. I'll wait.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45398285]do you like to hear people complain about "sjws" (*wink and a nod* i don't know what that means either) apropos of nothing?[/QUOTE] [url=http://i.imgur.com/LRFggVf.png]No[/url], [url=http://i.imgur.com/Wo9oNkB.png]when[/url] [url=http://i.imgur.com/i54YMxU.jpg]we[/url] [url=http://i.imgur.com/QEgwi8f.png]talk[/url] [url=http://i.imgur.com/rKe5pWy.jpg]about[/url] [url=http://i.imgur.com/URnSw70.jpg]"SJW's"[/url], [url=http://i.imgur.com/Lm32mtT.png]we[/url] [url=http://i.imgur.com/FAL3PtU.png]mean[/url] [url=http://i.imgur.com/R91KYVa.png]dipshits[/url] [url=http://i.imgur.com/56XsIzP.jpg]like[/url] [url=http://i.imgur.com/otiPHrX.jpg]this[/url].

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;45411092][URL="http://i.imgur.com/LRFggVf.png"]No[/URL], [URL="http://i.imgur.com/Wo9oNkB.png"]when[/URL] [URL="http://i.imgur.com/i54YMxU.jpg"]we[/URL] [URL="http://i.imgur.com/QEgwi8f.png"]talk[/URL] [URL="http://i.imgur.com/rKe5pWy.jpg"]about[/URL] [URL="http://i.imgur.com/URnSw70.jpg"]"SJW's"[/URL], [URL="http://i.imgur.com/Lm32mtT.png"]we[/URL] [URL="http://i.imgur.com/FAL3PtU.png"]mean[/URL] [URL="http://i.imgur.com/R91KYVa.png"]dipshits[/URL] [URL="http://i.imgur.com/56XsIzP.jpg"]like[/URL] [URL="http://i.imgur.com/otiPHrX.jpg"]this[/URL].[/QUOTE] the relevancy of the term "SJW" as an insult (what relevance did it even have to begin with) degrades even more when people think that blizzard trying to be more inclusive with their community is somehow bad, or when a transgender person metaphorically sneezes and it suddenly warrants the wrath of a thousand angry nerds or just damn near everything involving women bringing in massively insecure brats (and they try to oust people who actually question their namby pamby bullshit)

SJW is just a blanket insult for anyone you disagree with now. Replying to someone in an argument? Call them an SJW! Post too long to read? Pfft, I'm not going to read a post by an [i]SJW[/i]. Why is Tumblr bad? Because SJWs, of course!

I find the whole "its easy to get someone in prison with a false accusation of rape" really hard to believe given the [URL="https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates"]conviction rates of rape[/URL].

[QUOTE=Valnar;45411534]I find the whole "its easy to get someone in prison with a false accusation of rape" really hard to believe given the [URL="https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates"]conviction rates of rape[/URL].[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/mar/19/myths-about-rape-conviction-rates"]Other sources[/URL] put it as high as 58%.

[QUOTE=supersnail11;45411518]SJW is just a blanket insult for anyone you disagree with now. Replying to someone in an argument? Call them an SJW! Post too long to read? Pfft, I'm not going to read a post by an [i]SJW[/i]. Why is Tumblr bad? Because SJWs, of course![/QUOTE] "SJW" is the new "feminazi"

Just try and get a job after you've been accused of being a rapist falsely. One quick google search by an employeer and that job hunt is going to be almost useless. I know bringing that up is like a "who cares" thing but doesn't that matter at all?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45411672]Just try and get a job after you've been accused of being a rapist falsely. One quick google search by an employeer and that job hunt is going to be almost useless. I know bringing that up is like a "who cares" thing but doesn't that matter at all?[/QUOTE] The fact that employers won't hire criminals or those accused of crimes is a well known problem and not limited to rape.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45411652]"SJW" is the new "feminazi"[/QUOTE] SJW is here to stay, just like MRA and all the atheist and fedora memes. Both are doing a generalization, both have some truth in them.

Whatever the statistics, the bottom line is that the issues with false rape accusations are social and the way to remove the "accused = guilty" stigma isn't to demonize actual rape victims.

[QUOTE=supersnail11;45411753]Whatever the statistics, the bottom line is that the issues with false rape accusations are social and the way to remove the "accused = guilty" stigma isn't to demonize actual rape victims.[/QUOTE] who's arguing we demonize actual rape victims?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45411805]who's arguing we demonize actual rape victims?[/QUOTE] [URL="http://gawker.com/college-mens-rights-trolls-spammed-us-with-400-fake-1486018818"]People submitting false rape reports on purpose.[/URL] [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1401076&p=45079678&viewfull=1#post45079678"]Saying that we should increase the punishment for false rape reports[/URL] (even though it's difficult to tell the difference between false rape reports and reports without enough evidence, and that'd just make people wary of reporting rape, or admitting that they lied). The social stigma against rape victims that already exists. The fact that people in this thread think false rape reports are worse than rape itself. [editline]16th July 2014[/editline] The rampant victim blaming in rape cases (especially "she shouldn't have gotten drunk at a party with a bunch of guys"), and [URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/10/victimized-twice-accuser-blamed-in-rape-case/8955585/"]the doubt about legitimate rape cases that comes from this hysteria over false rape claims.[/URL]

I agree with you but regardless the stigma against people with accusations against them is a largely negative thing and not something to be brushed under a rug.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45411960]I agree with you but regardless the stigma against people with accusations against them is a largely negative thing and not something to be brushed under a rug.[/QUOTE] But it's completely social and the solution is to change how people treat crime, instead of making it harder for actual rape victims to live.