Conor Oberst Rape Accuser: 'I Made Up Lies to Get Attention' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=supersnail11;45411985]But it's completely social and the solution is to change how people treat crime, instead of making it harder for actual rape victims to live.[/QUOTE] i'm not saying make it harder for actual rape victims to live don't create an argument with someone when there really isn't any argument to be had. [editline]16th July 2014[/editline] I'm saying clearly that that stigma is bad. I am not saying in any way shape or form "Rape victims should be punished for being raped". How you can even assume that's a point i'm making is beyond me.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45412017]i'm not saying make it harder for actual rape victims to live don't create an argument with someone when there really isn't any argument to be had.[/QUOTE] I know you're not. I'm not saying that we should ignore false rape accusations either, even though you think I am.

[QUOTE=supersnail11;45411832](even though it's difficult to tell the difference between false rape reports and reports without enough evidence, and that'd just make people wary of reporting rape, or admitting that they lied). The social stigma against rape victims that already exists.[/QUOTE] You can't really do much about that if people are going to be interacting with each other and having private consensual sex. What do you propose to fix this? People will make false rape claims and we need to recognize that as a possibility . Social stigma towards victims is terrible but making up for that by treating everybody that claims victimhood as somebody who's always right won't fix the problem. You can't really win with this in the short term. It needs to be a cultural change. [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1400495[/url]

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45412596]You can't really do much about that if people are going to be interacting with each other and having private consensual sex. What do you propose to fix this? People will make false rape claims and we need to recognize that as a possibility . Social stigma towards victims is terrible but making up for that by treating everybody that claims victimhood as somebody who's always right won't fix the problem. You can't really win with this in the short term. It needs to be a cultural change. [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1400495[/url][/QUOTE] Don't release the names of the victims until the court case is over. Stop treating every accusation as a conviction. Don't assume every rape victim is lying.

[QUOTE=supersnail11;45412839]Don't release the names of the victims until the court case is over. Stop treating every accusation as a conviction. Don't assume every rape victim is lying.[/QUOTE] what about the assailants? should their names be released immediately or later once they've been proven to be guilty?

[QUOTE=supersnail11;45411832](even though it's difficult to tell the difference between false rape reports and reports without enough evidence, and that'd just make people wary of reporting rape, or admitting that they lied)[/QUOTE] I disagree with this assertion. If there is a law crafted that states doing this to a person maliciously is punishable by law, I don't see the problem. They would need to prove malice, much like they would in virtually all laws that exist which cover this specific topic already already right now. Slander, defamation of character, filing a false police report, lot of money in civil court if they decide to go that route. Saying it will make less people come forward is a consideration, but if there's absolutely no punishment for breaking several laws what message are we sending, then, exactly? Stabby murders in swamps of backwater southern states are probably pretty hard to solve, should we just not pursue them because they might cop to it one day, maybe? You probably wouldn't apply this logic to any other class of crime, so don't apply it to this one inconsistently.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45412873]what about the assailants? should their names be released immediately or later once they've been proven to be guilty?[/QUOTE] Of course not. [editline]16th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=s0beit;45412933]I disagree with this assertion. If there is a law crafted that states doing this to a person maliciously is punishable by law, I don't see the problem. They would need to prove malice, much like they would in virtually all laws that exist which cover this specific topic already already right now. Slander, defamation of character, filing a false police report, lot of money in civil court if they decide to go that route. Saying it will make less people come forward is a consideration, but if there's absolutely no punishment for breaking several laws what message are we sending, then, exactly? Stabby murders in swaps of backwater southern states are probably pretty hard to solve, should we just not pursue them because they might cop to it one day, maybe? You probably wouldn't apply this logic to any other class of crime, so don't apply it to this one inconsistently.[/QUOTE] But you shouldn't make a special law just for rape cases, like some suggest.

This isn't even something something exclusive to rape. Rape is just used because of how heinous of a crime it is. You accuse a person of one of the worst crimes that can't really be proven (in many cases) and then use peoples outrage to get the innocent person convicted. I think I've seen three stories this year on SH about people getting caught trying to get revenge by planting CP on someones computer. In cases where we don't have evidence we shouldn't be convicting people of anything.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45413007]This isn't even something something exclusive to rape. Rape is just used because of how heinous of a crime it is. You accuse a person of one of the worst crimes that can't really be proven (in many cases) and then use peoples outrage to get the innocent person convicted. I think I've seen three stories this year on SH about people getting caught trying to get revenge by planting CP on someones computer. In cases where we don't have evidence we shouldn't be convicting people of anything.[/QUOTE] Is anyone arguing that we should?

Name suppression should be mandatory for all criminal justice proceedings i think. Not that it would help much in this case since the lady publicly named and accused the dude