[QUOTE=BrickInHead;26547287]in a time where our government needs to be focusing on building the economy back up, Assange is just tossing shit at them and distracting them[/QUOTE]
It's because of a LACK of transparency that the government having to build the economy back up
[QUOTE=Shadow Core;26547724]Good, now lock him away and lose the key.[/QUOTE]
Meanwhile, at Insurance Corps...
Oh shit hes gonna release the doomsday files!!!!
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I wouldn't be surprised in the insurance file was a ruse...
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;26547287]I was alright when wikileaks was publishing documents about War atrocities. That's shit that should be brought to light. But Assange has gone too far; he's acting like an outright terrorist. I'm not doing it in the stupid conservative manner of saying "HE'S A TERRORIST GET HIM"; he's extorting world governments for fucks sake. This entire situation is led by this woefully misguided ideal that the public needs to know everything our governments do; we fucking [I]don't[/I].
It's impossible to have a secure nation that can't operate internally. Shit like possible invasions and our responses to them are absolutely necessary to be prepared. Releasing that sort of information simply destroys the effort we've taken to improve our image globally. All of the shit that Obama has done for us has been blown out the window by these acts.
Just as the individual has a right to privacy, the government does as well.
fuck if it weren't for lack of transparency the United States wouldn't even [I]exist.[/I] Nor would the bill of rights.
[editline]7th December 2010[/editline]
in a time where our government needs to be focusing on building the economy back up, Assange is just tossing shit at them and distracting them[/QUOTE]
Could it be? Someone with more than half a brain cell?
[QUOTE=Fuhrer;26547591]Yes we nobody can do anything about it because of free speech.[/QUOTE]
free speech actually has a pretty defined set of rules
i'd say that threatening to release documents that could topple governments and ways of life isn't covered by free speech
FP's "rah rah rah fight the powa" attitude is getting very old now. A proper society necessitates a cooperation between the people and the government. The government can't breach the rights of its citizens, and needs to work in their best interests, and citizens need to act in such a manner that they can facilitate the government's duties that are in place for them.
this whole idea that the government is corrupt is overplayed; yes, there are most certainly individuals that are corrupt within world governments, and individuals who attempts to steer their governments in a direction that may be against the norm. but what people need to realize is that despite all of the stupid shit our governments do, most of them actually are autonomous organizations that actually are trying to do what's best for their constituency and the world. The United States for instance (can't speak for the UK, don't know too much about their politics), despite all of the stupid shit it does, is trying to perpetuate relatively noble causes. We are the primary supporter of the United Nations, which sends peacekeeping forces out to the world to save civilians and facillitates international discussions and is one of the forefront shapers of domestic politics in developing countries; we push forth ideals of gender equality; we push forth ideals of supporting the poor (even the conservatives; despite their hatred of taxes, most conservative politicians are actually quite the philanthropists, donating money to individual charities).
seriously; for a moment, conceptualize what it is that a government does as a whole. Everything that can be perceived as negative done by our country is done for our benefit. Just one last brief example: people get infuriated by the war in iraq, "no blood for oil" etc. Their claims are correct; the war in iraq was entirely about oil. The gulf war was entirely about oil. We need to keep the Saudi Arabians afloat in their regime in order to support our own economy. Without the oil that flows out of the middle eastern region, our economy would [I]crumble[/I]. The global economic crisis that's going on right now? It would be more on track with the Great Depression if our channel of oil wasn't secure.
tldr
the government isn't really as bad as everyone makes it out to be; there are individual injustices of course, but to attack it as assange has is very destructive of international relationships that our gov't has been trying to prop up for the past two years
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;26547844]
FP's "rah rah rah fight the powa" attitude is getting very old now.
[/QUOTE]
Its funny that in cases like this they have that attitude, but then one thread over they want the WBC to be killed for their beliefs...
Oh FP you so crazy.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;26547844]free speech actually has a pretty defined set of rules
i'd say that threatening to release documents that could topple governments and ways of life isn't covered by free speech
FP's "rah rah rah fight the powa" attitude is getting very old now. A proper society necessitates a cooperation between the people and the government. The government can't breach the rights of its citizens, and needs to work in their best interests, and citizens need to act in such a manner that they can facilitate the government's duties that are in place for them.
this whole idea that the government is corrupt is overplayed; yes, there are most certainly individuals that are corrupt within world governments, and individuals who attempts to steer their governments in a direction that may be against the norm. but what people need to realize is that despite all of the stupid shit our governments do, most of them actually are autonomous organizations that actually are trying to do what's best for their constituency and the world. The United States for instance (can't speak for the UK, don't know too much about their politics), despite all of the stupid shit it does, is trying to perpetuate relatively noble causes. We are the primary supporter of the United Nations, which sends peacekeeping forces out to the world to save civilians and facillitates international discussions and is one of the forefront shapers of domestic politics in developing countries; we push forth ideals of gender equality; we push forth ideals of supporting the poor (even the conservatives; despite their hatred of taxes, most conservative politicians are actually quite the philanthropists, donating money to individual charities).
seriously; for a moment, conceptualize what it is that a government does as a whole. Everything that can be perceived as negative done by our country is done for our benefit. Just one last brief example: people get infuriated by the war in iraq, "no blood for oil" etc. Their claims are correct; the war in iraq was entirely about oil. The gulf war was entirely about oil. We need to keep the Saudi Arabians afloat in their regime in order to support our own economy. Without the oil that flows out of the middle eastern region, our economy would [I]crumble[/I]. The global economic crisis that's going on right now? It would be more on track with the Great Depression if our channel of oil wasn't secure.
tldr
the government isn't really as bad as everyone makes it out to be; there are individual injustices of course, but to attack it as assange has is very destructive of international relationships that our gov't has been trying to prop up for the past two years[/QUOTE]
Couldn't had said it better myself, though you probably have more knowledge of the situation then I do.
This guy is gonna do a lot more harm than good, I love people who are like 'OH YEAH THE DOOMSDAY FILES ARE COMING'
I wonder what is really in there, say it is something that could start a world war?, like a plan outlined by NATO to take out china, or something that should've stayed secret because it would've you know, won a global war and saved a lot of lives,
I mean, if something really terrible has happened, I'm all for it being brought to light, but troop deployments, international government exchanges, strategy, advanced weapon schematics, that's stuff that should stay secret...
I'm just saying, if I wake up one morning and my front yard looks like the capital wasteland I'm gonna be pretty pissed that some guy decided he wanted to make a name for himself, because really that's all it is right now, it isn't about uncovering injustice or standing up for the little guy, Assange knows he'll be forever remembered as the guy who blackmailed not just the US but the world, I just hope he doesn't go down as the man that started world war 3.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;26547844]FP's "rah rah rah fight the powa" attitude is getting very old now[/QUOTE]
Here here.
What makes it worse is that that they dismiss all the alternatives to the system we have now as completely insane.
"Communism? ARE YOU MAD? Anarchism? Get out you angsty kid." etc. etc..
I'm not saying I agree with those movements, but considering the majority of FP seems to think the world today is some immoral cesspit of retarded and corrupt politicians (like that's something new that only our generation has had to deal with... HA) it's quite ironic that they view the alternatives as inane drivel.
[QUOTE=Cpl. Combine;26547941]This guy is gonna do a lot more harm than good, I love people who are like 'OH YEAH THE DOOMSDAY FILES ARE COMING'
I wonder what is really in there, say it is something that could start a world war?, like a plan outlined by NATO to take out china, or something that should've stayed secret because it would've you know, won a global war and saved a lot of lives,
I'm just saying, if I wake up one morning and my front yard looks like the capital wasteland I'm gonna be pretty pissed that some guy decided he wanted to make a name for himself.[/QUOTE]
be quiet
[QUOTE=Clark21;26547995]be quiet[/QUOTE]
Look someone I don't agree with, that makes them wrong!
Assange got himself so fucked.
[QUOTE=Cpl. Combine;26548006]Look someone I don't agree with, that makes them wrong![/QUOTE]
be quiet
[QUOTE=Clark21;26548037]be quiet[/QUOTE]
No :D
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;26547844]free speech actually has a pretty defined set of rules
i'd say that threatening to release documents that could topple governments and ways of life isn't covered by free speech
tldr
the government isn't really as bad as everyone makes it out to be; there are individual injustices of course, but to attack it as assange has is very destructive of international relationships that our gov't has been trying to prop up for the past two years[/QUOTE]
It's "row row fight the powa".
[QUOTE=Ermac20;26546906]do we really need like 20 threads of wikileaks?[/QUOTE]
It's the front page of Reddit... on Facepunch! Awesome!
:barf:
[QUOTE=SnakeHead;26548025]Assange got himself so fucked.[/QUOTE]
Considering the case at hand, I believe it's the other way around.
[QUOTE=Clark21;26547995]be quiet[/QUOTE]
Counter-argument of the century.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26547567]Probably the most dull thing ever that has had 30 threads. Every single story is so inconclusive and leads to so little. I'd rather read a 50 word summary in a month than read all these thousands of threads on slight changes to that tool's legal standing in the world. Like I give a shit if he leaks more useless information.[/QUOTE]
Quite a lot of what he leaked is not useless, the UN stuff really raised questions about America's standing in diplomatic relations. It is like saying that you don't care who wins an election as they will all be in charge of the same country...
This guy needs to be killed.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];26554361']This guy needs to be killed.[/QUOTE]
I (and many others) have been polite to just about everyone who has had crazy views in these threads, but seriously you must be a moron if you actually believe this. You could at least back it up with a reason.
By the way are you aware that saying such things on the internet in some parts of the world is akin to saying them to someone or on TV?
[quote]NBC News reported that jihadists with connections to al-Qaida have started communicating online about the release.
"We want to exploit this document," one [i]reportedly[/i] wrote.[/quote]
Thats the hugest load of bullshit I've ever seen in my life.
[QUOTE=Asmaedus;26555063]Thats the hugest load of bullshit I've ever seen in my life.[/QUOTE]
Do they have such slow internet they have only just found it?
[QUOTE=Asmaedus;26555063]Thats the hugest load of bullshit I've ever seen in my life.[/QUOTE]
Welp, this wouldn't be an argument if someone didn't make up a negative or two.
[QUOTE=Random112358;26546977]Online Transfer via Credit Card
Bank Transfer [option 1: everyone]
Bank Transfer [option 2: tax deductible in Germany]
Postal Mail
[url]http://wikileaks.ch/support.html[/url]
Not idea but there are a lot of people that still would use the first 3.[/QUOTE]
Visa and Mastercard pulled out.
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