Teen Sucker Punches 12 Year Old With Brass Knuckles; Being Tried as an Adult - Polidicks

[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;50715548]While I agree wholeheartedly that this piece of shit is a coward, what's wrong with owning brass knuckles? I keep a pair in my car because I'm 18 and I'm not allowed to own firearms yet. [/QUOTE] How fucking bad is Panama?

[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;50715548]While I agree wholeheartedly that this piece of shit is a coward, what's wrong with owning brass knuckles? I keep a pair in my car because I'm 18 and I'm not allowed to own firearms yet. It's a good deterrant for people that are looking for trouble. Hell I never intend on using mine for vendettas, just personal defense.[/QUOTE] there's nothing wrong with owning them. I own a few myself. knocking a 12 year old upside the head with them unprovoked is pretty fucked though

[QUOTE=pentium;50715592]How fucking bad is Panama?[/QUOTE] Not bad at all compared to most Latin American countries, but muggings are commonplace late at night no matter where you are.

[QUOTE=Quark:;50715369]so when a kid does something fucked up, we "rehabilitate them" and release them and keep the cycle going? because that's what tends to happen and it's what turns violent youth into repeat offenders for life. not supporting execution, just ideas better than the "catch and release" we already do.[/QUOTE] That's because we don't have a rehabilitative prison system, dude. We have a punitive system. We take troubled kids and throw them in with hardened criminals in inhumane conditions. We're only reinforcing criminal behavior. Most people, on release, are in even worse shape than they were upon being incarcerated. Our prison system is wack.

I have a friend who had this exact situation happen to him, except instead of broken teeth the entire front end of his skull was destroyed. He now has a lot of metal in his head because of it. Stuff like this is fucked up beyond belief.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;50713896]pretty sure that sociopaths make up 3-5% of the american population[/QUOTE] I was talking about the human population entirely.

Prison rehab here in the US is terrible, because the idea of rewarding criminals is repulsive to many citizens. Use this case as an example. This guy has been locked up(first crime), then beats a 12 year old when he gets out. The pro-rehab people if they got their way would see this guy get mental healthcare(free), education(free) and ideally a decent paying job as an adult. So he could go forth and sin no more. Sounds good right? Except you're saying "Beat the fuck out of people and society will provide you with a nice life free of charge". People prefer "Break the law and suffer the consequences"...even if means this person never turns their life around.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;50716156]Prison rehab here in the US is terrible, because the idea of rewarding criminals is repulsive to many citizens. Use this case as an example. This guy has been locked up(first crime), then beats a 12 year old when he gets out. The pro-rehab people if they got their way would see this guy get mental healthcare(free), education(free) and ideally a decent paying job as an adult. So he could go forth and sin no more. Sounds good right? Except you're saying "Beat the fuck out of people and society will provide you with a nice life free of charge". [B]People prefer "Break the law and suffer the consequences"...even if means this person never turns their life around.[/B][/QUOTE] And it's fucked that that's the case. Everyone deserves a chance at being a normal, productive member of society.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;50716156]Prison rehab here in the US is terrible, because the idea of rewarding criminals is repulsive to many citizens. Use this case as an example. This guy has been locked up(first crime), then beats a 12 year old when he gets out. The pro-rehab people if they got their way would see this guy get mental healthcare(free), education(free) and ideally a decent paying job as an adult. So he could go forth and sin no more. Sounds good right? Except you're saying "Beat the fuck out of people and society will provide you with a nice life free of charge". People prefer "Break the law and suffer the consequences"...even if means this person never turns their life around.[/QUOTE] I understand that, for sure. I'm not saying that it's inappropriate to have that kind of emotional reaction, to want to see people who do bad things suffer harsh consequences. However, in practice, this just doesn't work. Like with so many other subjects, I wish that people could set aside the gut reaction, and take a look at the data. See what it is reinforcing. Because, while throwing an armed robber into prison for twenty years, where he is subjected to beatings, rape, and dehumanizing treatment might be emotionally satisfying, it is making the country an objectively worse place to live. This system does not work. It is creating more trouble than it is preventing

[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;50715548]While I agree wholeheartedly that this piece of shit is a coward, what's wrong with owning brass knuckles? I keep a pair in my car because I'm 18 and I'm not allowed to own firearms yet. It's a good deterrant for people that are looking for trouble. Hell I never intend on using mine for vendettas, just personal defense.[/QUOTE] Nothing is inherently wrong with owning them. In the United States they are illegal AFAIK. The reason they are illegal and not giant fuck-off knives like the kukri is because knives are not only used as weapons. Knives can be used for cutting a variety of non-living things such as food and boxes, and machetes/kukris are used for cutting down thick vegetation. Brass Knuckles on the other hand, their sole use is as a deadly weapon. I personally think it's a bit non-nonsensical, but welcome to the United States of America. OT: Jesus Fucking H. Christ. I personally can't bring myself to watch the video, but from what I've heard with him being hit in the back of the head once, then punched multiple times in the back of the head while face-down with a mouth-full of gravel, the poor kid's probably suffered permanent brain damage, and probably will need Dentures for the rest of his life. Plus the extra two thousand or so to get the rest of the teeth removed so the don't get infected. Plus, you know. Fucking brain damage. I'd be surprised if he didn't get tried for attempted first degree murder. If the kid dies from his injuries, they probably could nail him with a pretty hefty sentence.

he's young, this was a really fucked up thing to do to somebody. Hopefully he will learn from this and regret what he did and turn out to be a decent person

[url]http://discovermagazine.com/2016/june/12-psychopath-and-the-hare[/url] [Quote]Hare's oblique wariness of a reporter brandishing a voice recorder in a busy taphouse is perhaps no surprise, given his expertise with the subject and the research that suggests 1 in 100 people are psychopaths who tend to blend in, like cold-blooded chameleons. We know psychopaths make up 15 to 20 percent of the prison population, at least 70 percent of repeat violent offenders and the significant majority of serial killers and sex offenders. We know they’re difficult to treat using conventional methods, partly because they rarely seek out treatment. Yet they’re three times more likely to be released — and they get paroled almost three times faster — than their non-psychopathic counterparts. With the advent of neuroscience, we know the brains of psychopaths are atypical, leading some experts to call psychopathy a neurodevelopmental disorder, akin to autism, and one that’s diagnosable even in small children[/quote] Psychopathy is not as rare as people would like to think. I'm no armchair psychologist, but to deny the possibility of mental illness in cases like this is naïve. Normal people don't suckerpunch strangers with brass knuckles and feel no remorse afterwards, and you can't raise a psychopath, its a neurological disorder from birth.

[QUOTE=SleepyAl;50717984][url]http://discovermagazine.com/2016/june/12-psychopath-and-the-hare[/url] Psychopathy is not as rare as people would like to think. I'm no armchair psychologist, but to deny the possibility of mental illness in cases like this is naïve. Normal people don't suckerpunch strangers with brass knuckles and feel no remorse afterwards, and you can't raise a psychopath, its a neurological disorder from birth.[/QUOTE] I'm not denying the possibility of it, dude, I'm just saying it is less likely than the alternative. God's sake. :unimpressed: [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50709439][...]excepting mental illness, people aren't just born like that.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50711429]Ye, I said "excepting mental illness."[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50712993]I'm not trying to be rude, but I said, "excepting mental illness." Did I not make that clear enough? Do people keep skimming over it? [...]Certainly, a severe personality disorder could account for violent behavior or a lack of empathy[...] It's much more likely that he simply got steered towards violence as a result of his environment.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50714602]I doubt that this kid is a sociopath or insane[...] He is likely just socialized to violence as a result of his environment. You're looking for a fantastical explanation, that this kid suffers from a very rare mental/emotional condition, when a much simpler and more common explanation already exists.[/QUOTE] I really don't know how to make my position on this any clearer than that, yet ya'll keep coming back and saying, "no, you don't understand, mental illness could explain this!" [I]Yes, I know it could[/I]. It is just much less likely than the alternative. Occam's razor, yo.

[QUOTE=ridinmybike;50717824]he's young, this was a really fucked up thing to do to somebody. Hopefully he will learn from this and regret what he did and turn out to be a decent person[/QUOTE] I don't think you can go back from literally beating down strangers almost to death with a weapon for literally no reason but random selection This could've been a shooting if he had the access, I'm sure

[QUOTE=SleepyAl;50717984][url]http://discovermagazine.com/2016/june/12-psychopath-and-the-hare[/url] Psychopathy is not as rare as people would like to think. I'm no armchair psychologist, but to deny the possibility of mental illness in cases like this is naïve. Normal people don't suckerpunch strangers with brass knuckles and feel no remorse afterwards, and you can't raise a psychopath, its a neurological disorder from birth.[/QUOTE] You're forgetting the fact that one of the defining traits of a psychopath is their ability to blend into society and manipulate people into thinking they're charming and normal, and this kid sounds like anything but.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50718068]I really don't know how to make my position on this any clearer than that, yet ya'll keep coming back and saying, "no, you don't understand, mental illness could explain this!" [I]Yes, I know it could[/I]. [B]It is just much less likely than the alternative. Occam's razor, yo.[/b][/QUOTE] This is where I disagree. No sane person would do this type of unprovoked attack. There's no motive, no planning, no remorse. The simplest explanation is mental illness rather than "a series of events ranging from poor parenting to gang activity". Yeah those could have been slight factors but definitely not the defining ones. I mean we're so quick to jump on the parents when they could have legitimately tried to raise their son right [QUOTE=Blazedol;50718186]You're forgetting the fact that one of the defining traits of a psychopath is their ability to blend into society and manipulate people into thinking they're charming and normal, and this kid sounds like anything but.[/QUOTE] You're right, bit then again APD is basically psychopathy without the blending in and depending on the criteria you use 70% of inmates fit the diagnosis for APD. My point is that right now modern medicine has no real measurable success at rehabilitating criminals who lack empathy, and at best we just teach them to fake it and direct their violent urges elsewhere or just not get caught. Drug crimes are primarily due to poverty and shitty drug laws which can be solved via legislation, community programs, and criminals can be successfully rehabilitated from those crimes. Someone who beats a random person near death they don't even know and has no remorse for while gaining nothing from it is right now a snowball's chance in hell to fix, because a key part of their brain just doesn't work, and it'd be pretty unethical to do brain surgery in the future if we somehow found a way to fix that. I think a lot of people would love to think we can just rehabilitate violent offenders but its not really possible right now if they have APD or psychopathy and our only recourse is to seperate them from the population, which is a shitty solution, but executions or lobotomies are even shittier ones and there's not much else we can do as a society.

[QUOTE=SleepyAl;50719122]This is where I disagree. No sane person would do this type of unprovoked attack. There's no motive, no planning, no remorse. The simplest explanation is mental illness rather than "a series of events ranging from poor parenting to gang activity". Yeah those could have been slight factors but definitely not the defining ones. I mean we're so quick to jump on the parents when they could have legitimately tried to raise their son right You're right, bit then again APD is basically psychopathy without the blending in and depending on the criteria you use 70% of inmates fit the diagnosis for APD. My point is that right now modern medicine has no real measurable success at rehabilitating criminals who lack empathy, and at best we just teach them to fake it and direct their violent urges elsewhere or just not get caught. Drug crimes are primarily due to poverty and shitty drug laws which can be solved via legislation, community programs, and criminals can be successfully rehabilitated from those crimes. Someone who beats a random person near death they don't even know and has no remorse for while gaining nothing from it is right now a snowball's chance in hell to fix, because a key part of their brain just doesn't work, and it'd be pretty unethical to do brain surgery in the future if we somehow found a way to fix that. I think a lot of people would love to think we can just rehabilitate violent offenders but its not really possible right now if they have APD or psychopathy and our only recourse is to seperate them from the population, which is a shitty solution, but executions or lobotomies are even shittier ones and there's not much else we can do as a society.[/QUOTE] So what you're suggesting is that every single person who commits violent crimes is mentally ill be default? Because that leaves no room for distinction.

[QUOTE=SleepyAl;50719122]This is where I disagree. No sane person would do this type of unprovoked attack. There's no motive, no planning, no remorse. The simplest explanation is mental illness rather than "a series of events ranging from poor parenting to gang activity". Yeah those could have been slight factors but definitely not the defining ones. I mean we're so quick to jump on the parents when they could have legitimately tried to raise their son right You're right, bit then again APD is basically psychopathy without the blending in and depending on the criteria you use 70% of inmates fit the diagnosis for APD. My point is that right now modern medicine has no real measurable success at rehabilitating criminals who lack empathy, and at best we just teach them to fake it and direct their violent urges elsewhere or just not get caught. Drug crimes are primarily due to poverty and shitty drug laws which can be solved via legislation, community programs, and criminals can be successfully rehabilitated from those crimes. Someone who beats a random person near death they don't even know and has no remorse for while gaining nothing from it is right now a snowball's chance in hell to fix, because a key part of their brain just doesn't work, and it'd be pretty unethical to do brain surgery in the future if we somehow found a way to fix that. I think a lot of people would love to think we can just rehabilitate violent offenders but its not really possible right now if they have APD or psychopathy and our only recourse is to seperate them from the population, which is a shitty solution, but executions or lobotomies are even shittier ones and there's not much else we can do as a society.[/QUOTE] i'm sorry, i must have missed something. where exactly does it say there was no motive or remorse? we may not see any for ourselves, but hey, if a tree falls, right? now, i'm not ruling out the possibility of APD or sociopathy. however, that's only because i, like you, i'm assuming, only know so much about this kid and this case, and what i [I]do[/I] know is somewhat vague. Kid's a violent one, that's pretty much the limit of what i can safely say about him.

What a fucked up kid, completely fucked up beyond belief to do this to someone. He would need rehab for years to even come close to being a normal member of society again. His parents should be investigated certainly, as it seems his mother is both retarded and wilfully ignorant. Sadly in the US the entire prison system is just a criminal-reinforcing capitalist money making machine so that will never happen.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;50716156]Prison rehab here in the US is terrible, because the idea of rewarding criminals is repulsive to many citizens. Use this case as an example. This guy has been locked up(first crime), then beats a 12 year old when he gets out. The pro-rehab people if they got their way would see this guy get mental healthcare(free), education(free) and ideally a decent paying job as an adult. So he could go forth and sin no more. Sounds good right? Except you're saying "Beat the fuck out of people and society will provide you with a nice life free of charge". People prefer "Break the law and suffer the consequences"...even if means this person never turns their life around.[/QUOTE] Are you serious? Rehab is better because it helps him reintegrate into society and not do this again. Jail just makes things worse, and if you want to get technical, will only lead to more innocent kids getting beaten up. Criminals shouldn't be punished when the best way to deal with them is to solve their problems.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50720899]Are you serious? Rehab is better because it helps him reintegrate into society and not do this again. Jail just makes things worse, and if you want to get technical, will only lead to more innocent kids getting beaten up. Criminals shouldn't be punished when the best way to deal with them is to solve their problems.[/QUOTE] Some people don't rehabilitate. They just don't. What do you propose should be done with those people?

[QUOTE=Quark:;50721194]Some people don't rehabilitate. They just don't. What do you propose should be done with those people?[/QUOTE] this is true, but what does that have to do with anything? like really, we get it, some people can't be fixed, why keep bringing it up? are you suggesting we should never try, because some might not be fixable?

[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50716351]And it's fucked that that's the case. Everyone deserves a chance at being a normal, productive member of society.[/QUOTE] Not when they're a repeat offender. Losing the right to vote and own firearms isn't enough. Once a person's proven they have a violent or criminal mindset, they need to be quarantined from society, maybe permanently. It isn't the best solution, but at least it gets the worst of the worst off the streets.

[QUOTE=SleepyAl;50719122]This is where I disagree. No sane person would do this type of unprovoked attack. There's no motive, no planning, no remorse. The simplest explanation is mental illness rather than "a series of events ranging from poor parenting to gang activity". Yeah those could have been slight factors but definitely not the defining ones. I mean we're so quick to jump on the parents when they could have legitimately tried to raise their son right[/QUOTE] Sane people DO do this, though. Every day. Random beatdowns are a staple of gang activity. I agree that this attack is "insane" in the sense that it's totally unacceptable and deeply shocking, but it's not something that you would have to have a mental illness to perpetrate-- just a fucked sensed of morality and a desensitization to violence.