he wasn't winking at him.. read the fucking article.
[quote]"The marine (Cronauer) looked over at me and I looked at him. I was kind of squinting to see him. When I did that he thought I was winking at him. He said, 'Are you winking at me?' I said, 'No man, I'm just tired,'" Daly said.[/quote]
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[QUOTE=Uberslug;22604806]~~Do not squint near homophobes~~[/QUOTE]
~~they might beat you unconscious~~
[QUOTE=Strongside;22604584]You hear the gay guys story, not the marines. I'd like to hear the marines side.[/QUOTE]
Okay.
"I WAS JUST STANDING THERE MINDING MY OWN BUSINESS, AND THIS FUCKING TWINK KEPT FUCKING WINKING. I WAS LIKE WHAT THE FUCK. IF I DIDN'T BEAT HIM HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE RAPED ME RIGHT THEN AND THERE."
[QUOTE=JDK721;22604759]lol
so they shouldn't express themselves just because some idiots might be uncomfortable with them and beat the shit out of them? and click the link to read the entire article.[/QUOTE]
It's not a matter of expression.
You just shouldn't flirt with a straight guy if you don't know if he's comftorble with it or not, and you shouldn't flirt with someone if you don't know if they're gay or bi.
i'm not saying it's a good thing that people feel uncomftorble with gay guys flirting with them. It'd be a great world if everyone could just take it as a compliment and move on.
But it isn't a great world.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22604790]But if there was, you should expect some hostility.[/QUOTE]
yeah, I'm sure he expected to be beaten unconscious for squinting at someone.
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[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;22604841]It's not a matter of expression.
You just shouldn't flirt with a straight guy if you don't know if he's comftorble with it or not, and you shouldn't flirt with someone if you don't know if they're gay or bi.
i'm not saying it's a good thing that people feel uncomftorble with gay guys flirting with them. It'd be a great world if everyone could just take it as a compliment and move on.
But it isn't a great world.[/QUOTE]
this just in: squinting at someone is flirting
you are an idiot
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;22604841]You just shouldn't flirt with a straight guy if you don't know if he's comftorble with it or not, and you shouldn't flirt with someone if you don't know if they're gay or bi.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;22604785]So should I not flirt with girls because they might be lesbians?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;22604785]So should I not flirt with girls because they might be lesbians?[/QUOTE]
one out of 20 people are homosexual.
19 out of 20 are heterosexual/bisexual.
sorry if i'm not replying fast enough for you johnnymo, my Internets capped.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22604847]yeah, I'm sure he expected to be beaten unconscious for squinting at someone.[/QUOTE]
I said if there was flirting. I don't constitute winking or squinting as flirting.
If this statement was true:
[quote]
Cronauer told police that earlier in the evening, he and Stazel were harassed by a white homosexual male and that he was heading toward Bay Street to meet a friend.[/quote]
[QUOTE=starpluck;22604878]I said if there was flirting. I don't constitute winking or squinting as flirting.[/QUOTE]
there wasn't
and regardless, it does not justify beating him unconscious.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22604847]yeah, I'm sure he expected to be beaten unconscious for squinting at someone.
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this just in: squinting at someone is flirting
you are an idiot[/QUOTE]
No, the article seems biased, and leaves out the opinions of the marines.
What if the conflict had have been different and the gay guy had actually done something further than winking?
If all the gay guy did was squint, then he was not at fault at all. But we simply do not know both sides of the story.
What i want to know, again, is how did the marine know he was gay otherwise?
[quote]Cronauer told police that earlier in the evening, he and Stazel were harassed by a white homosexual male and that he was heading toward Bay Street to meet a friend.[/quote]
Someone you don't find attractive hitting on you hardly counts as harassment.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;22604926]No, the article seems biased, and leaves out the opinions of the marines.
What if the conflict had have been different and the gay guy had actually done something further than winking?[/QUOTE]
lol
so that justifies beating him unconscious? you guys are a bunch of hoorah beat gays apologists.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22604911]there wasn't[/quote]We don't know yet.
[quote]
and regardless, it does not justify beating him unconscious.[/QUOTE]
It depends on how much harassment was involved. I wouldn't beat someone unconscious for it, because I probably can't.But if I was being sexually harassed [I]physically[/I] I'd beat their ass.
Just like how women attack men when they do the same thing.
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[QUOTE=JDK721;22604945]lol
so that justifies beating him unconscious? you guys are a bunch of hoorah beat gays apologists.[/QUOTE]
Depends on how much he was harassed. You're saying being physically harassed does not deserve an ass-beating?
Why the double standard? Women are allowed to do the same thing, to hetero men who do the same shit, but you can't touch a gay guy?
[QUOTE=JDK721;22604945]lol
so that justifies beating him unconscious? you guys are a bunch of hoorah beat gays apologists.[/QUOTE]
no, i think you will find that
A: i've said numerous times in any circumstance that what the marines did was wrong, and they should get dishonorably discharged. Flirting or not, the marines are assholes.
B: i am gay, and pro-gay.
The thing is, the article is biased, and they might have been provoked more than the gays version of events says.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22604966]It depends on how much harassment was involved. I wouldn't beat someone unconscious for it, because I probably can't.But if I was being sexually harassed [I]physically[/I] I'd beat their ass.[/QUOTE]
they weren't physically assaulted, and no beating someone unconscious isn't justifiable unless they're going to seriously hurt/kill you.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22604966]Just like how women attack men when they do the same thing.[/QUOTE]
irrelevant, we're not talking about women
[QUOTE=starpluck;22604966]Depends on how much he was harassed. You're saying being physically harassed does not deserve an ass-beating?[/QUOTE]
no, it doesn't. and once again, he wasn't physically assaulting anyone.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22604966]Why the double standard? Women are allowed to do the same thing, to hetero men who do the same shit, but you can't touch a gay guy?[/QUOTE]
no, they aren't. and what do women have to do with this? straw man argument.
Women are allowed to beat people unconscious for winking at them?
This thread is so gay
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[QUOTE=Strongside;22605120]This thread is so gay[/QUOTE]
your gay
[QUOTE=JDK721;22605070]they weren't physically assaulted, and no beating someone unconscious isn't justifiable unless they're going to seriously hurt/kill you.
no, it doesn't. and once again, he wasn't physically assaulting anyone.
[/QUOTE] You kept saying how depending on what he did, it wont justify what he did, I'm saying if he was actually sexually harassed physically, because all we heard is what the victim said. Once again, [B]IF[/B] the gay guy did more then just winking. And yes, if you're being sexually harassed physically, kicking their ass in response is justifiable. Just think about this, if you're heterosexual and a gay guy sexually harasses you physically you WOULD attack back, not just stand there. Unless, your homosexual.
[quote]
irrelevant, we're not talking about women
no, they aren't. and what do women have to do with this? straw man argument
[/quote]Its pretty relevant. The same shit happens with women all the time. Its the closet comparison. Women can attack back, but men can't, apparently.
So you are talking about say, him getting very touchy and not responding to "no"?
[QUOTE=starpluck;22605188]You kept saying how depending on what he did, it wont justify what he did. And yes, if you're being sexually harassed physically, kicking their ass in response is justifiable. Just think about this, if you're heterosexual and a gay guy sexually harasses you physically you WOULD attack back, not just stand there. Unless, your homosexual.[/QUOTE]
no, beating someone unconscious is NOT justifiable unless they are going to do serious harm/kill you. it's a last resort thing to beat someone that bad. it's called self control.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22605188]if you're heterosexual and a gay guy sexually harasses you physically you WOULD attack back, not just stand there.[/QUOTE]
uh, and you can say that with any degree of certainty? self control is a great thing. I'm not going to jail for assault/battery over some guy pushing my buttons.
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[QUOTE=starpluck;22605188]Its pretty relevant. The same shit happens with women all the time. Its the closet comparison. Women can attack back, but men can't, apparently.[/QUOTE]
lol, no it's not. you're grasping for straws.
[quote=JDK721]
lol
so that justifies beating him unconscious? you guys are a bunch of hoorah beat gays apologists.
[/quote]
[quote=Keeshond v2]
no, i think you will find that
A: i've said numerous times in any circumstance that what the marines did was wrong, and they should get dishonorably discharged. Flirting or not, the marines are assholes.
B: i am gay, and pro-gay.
The thing is, the article is biased, and they might have been provoked more than the gays version of events says. [/quote]
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;22605309][/QUOTE]
you were justifying their actions in ridiculous hypothetical situations.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22605269]no, beating someone unconscious is NOT justifiable unless they are going to do serious harm/kill you. it's a last resort thing to beat someone that bad. it's called self control.[/QUOTE] Once again, I never justified knocking someone out. If you're being sexually assaulted, you have every right to attack back. It doesn't have to fucking be "close serious harm/kill you".
[quote]
uh, and you can say that with any degree of certainty? self control is a great thing. I'm not going to jail for assault/battery over some guy pushing my buttons.[/quote] You wont go to jail if you attack someone who assaulted you sexually.
[quote]lol, no it's not. you're grasping for straws.[/quote]lol, yeah it is. A lot of comparisons went up in this thread, no one objected.
[QUOTE=Strongside;22604511]I bet he was flaunting his gayness thus deserving it[/QUOTE]
So you think someone should be beaten until unconscious for being too flamboyant.
Either you're saying that without thinking it through or there's something wrong with you.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22605387]Once again, I never justified knocking someone out. If you're being sexually assaulted, you have every right to attack back. It doesn't have to fucking be "close serious harm/kill you".[/QUOTE]
lol, sexually assaulted. that means rape, molestation, groping, sodomy, etc. this guy didn't even TOUCH the marines. all he did was SQUINT at them. stop with the ridiculous hypotheticals.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22605352]you were justifying their actions in ridiculous hypothetical situations.[/QUOTE]
it's hardly ridiculous, the article is clearly biased.
Once again, i was NOT justifying their actions, stop insinuating that to discredit me.
They were wrong either way, but if a gay dude were to flirt with someone he knows is most likely straight, then he shouldn't have.
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[QUOTE=JDK721;22605411]lol, sexually assaulted. that means rape, molestation, groping, sodomy, etc. this guy didn't even TOUCH the marines. all he did was SQUINT at them. stop with the ridiculous hypotheticals.[/QUOTE]
one again, you don't know that all he did was squint. That's only what he says, it could have played out completely differently.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22605188]Unless, your homosexual.[/QUOTE]
I like how you assume any gay man is out for any opportunity for sex. Because that's not a ridiculous stereotype at all.
[QUOTE=Ban Evasion Alt;22604931]Someone you don't find attractive hitting on you hardly counts as harassment.[/QUOTE]
In the U.S it does. :downs:
On a more serious note, what these Marines have done is wrong.
First the brig, and then the most shit details a Marine can receive, that's what's in store for them, I reckon.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22605411]lol, sexually assaulted. that means rape, molestation, groping, sodomy, etc. this guy didn't even TOUCH the marines. all he did was SQUINT at them. stop with the ridiculous hypotheticals.[/QUOTE]
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[*]intentionally touches another person (B),
[*]the touching is sexual,
[*]B does not consent to the touching, and
[*]A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
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[/INDENT][/release][INDENT]That defines sexual assault.
Now let me repeat this again to you, we don't know if he only squinted since the article only stated what the victim said, I, once again said, if he really did sexually assault him, then he really did have the right to attack back. All you said was "no lol that doesnt justify"
I'm sick of you putting words in my mouth.
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