[QUOTE=starpluck;22605458]Now let me repeat this again to you, we don't know if he only squinted since the article only stated what the victim said, I, once again said, if he really did sexually assault him. All you said was "no lol that doesnt justify"[/QUOTE]
he didn't sexually assault him. you're grasping for straws once again.
[QUOTE=Strongside;22604511]I bet he was flaunting his gayness thus deserving it[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot.
There's nothing wrong with flaunting your gayness. Some gay men are more feminine than other gay men. Now if he was someone like Pvt. Martin who has to jam his gay down everyone throats and feed on attention then yes, I can understand that he would deserve it. But just because someone acts feminine doesn't mean he does deserve to get the shit kicked out of him.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22605489]he didn't sexually assault him. you're grasping for straws once again.[/QUOTE]
We don't fucking know yet, is it that hard to understand? This article was in favor of the victim and only therefore, we only heard what he said. Stop being so hasty to jump to conclusions without hearing both sides. Quit it with the partiality.
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[QUOTE=MegaJohnny;22605442]I like how you assume any gay man is out for any opportunity for sex. Because that's not a ridiculous stereotype at all.[/QUOTE]
I could of worded it better, but I mean is that if you allow a gay guy to feel you up, chances are you're gay.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22605512]We don't fucking know yet, is it that hard to understand? This article was in favor of the victim and only therefore, we only heard what he said. Stop being so hasty to jump to conclusions without hearing both sides. Quit it with the partiality.[/QUOTE]
lol, the article was in the victim's favor.. how? there's no evidence that he sexually assaulted them. the marines never claimed he did and neither did the witnesses. you're creating a hypothetical to support your argument.
and regardless, if someone gropes you or what not that does not mean you're legally allowed to beat them unconscious.
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[QUOTE=starpluck;22605512]I could of worded it better, but I mean is that if you allow a gay guy to feel you up, chances are you're gay.[/QUOTE]
no, it doesn't. and do you have a problem with gays?
[QUOTE=JDK721;22605561]lol, the article was in the victim's favor.. how? there's no evidence that he sexually assaulted them. the marines never claimed he did and neither did the witnesses. you're creating a hypothetical to support your argument.[/QUOTE] We only heard what the victim said maybe. Victims aren't always innocent.
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and regardless, if someone gropes you or what not that does not mean you're legally allowed to beat them unconscious.[/quote]If its not defined as excessive force; you're allowed to. Some people tend to be overly aggressive especially when it comes to their sexuality.
[editline]06:12PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=JDK721;22605561]
no, it doesn't. and do you have a problem with gays?[/QUOTE]
Because stating that if you allow a gay guy to sexually feel you up [B]without resistance[/B] most likely means you're gay makes me homophobic right?
[QUOTE=starpluck;22605617]We only heard what the victim said maybe. Victims aren't always innocent.[/QUOTE]
yeah, this guy was beaten unconscious by two hoorah devil dogs. he probably did something to deserve it!
[QUOTE=starpluck;22605617]If its not defined as excessive force; you're allowed to. Some people tend to be overly aggressive especially when it comes to their sexuality.[/QUOTE]
beating someone unconscious is excessive. and they're insecure idiots if they go nuts over something like that.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22605617]Because stating that if you allow a gay guy to sexually feel you up [B]without resistance[/B] most likely means you're gay makes me a homophobic right?[/QUOTE]
no, it doesn't. and yes, you sound like a homophobe who is justifying assault.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22605670]yeah, this guy was beaten unconscious by two hoorah devil dogs. he probably did something to deserve it!
beating someone unconscious is excessive. and they're insecure idiots if they go nuts over something like that.
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Your first statement can go both ways. You also seem to forget that I stated I don't condone the actions and wish for them to be discharged. I'm not going stand here and say the victim did nothing wrong either. Which brings me back to my first statement; if he did sexually assault them then you better fucking expect some hostility.
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no, it doesn't. and yes, you sound like a homophobe who is justifying assault.[/quote]I'm also antisemitic for criticizing Israel right?
[QUOTE=JDK721;22605670]
beating someone unconscious is excessive.
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Err, one punch can render someone unconscious.
I'm not supporting the actions of the Marines at all, I just think the article most likely exaggerates the assault is all.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22605801]Your first statement can go both ways. You also seem to forget that I stated I don't condone the actions and wish for them to be discharged. I'm not going stand here and say the victim did nothing wrong either. Which brings me back to my first statement; if he did sexually assault them then you better fucking expect some hostility.
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so squinting at him is doing something wrong? and it's disproportionate force. they didn't have to beat him.
[editline]01:28PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=starpluck;22605801]I'm also antisemitic for criticizing Israel right?[/QUOTE]
terrible analogy
[QUOTE=Panda X;22604570]No innocent person deserves to be beaten unconsciously. Flaunting or not.[/QUOTE]
Maybe noted that he and/or she is a flamboyant doucher, but beaten? Fuck no. I don't have anything against their ways though...
[QUOTE=Strongside;22605120]This thread is so gay
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lol no u gay xD
[QUOTE=JDK721;22605951]so squinting at him is doing something wrong? and it's disproportionate force. they didn't have to beat him.
[editline]01:28PM[/editline]
terrible analogy[/QUOTE]
why do you not understand that the article does not tell the whole story, and that the victim could have easily been lieing?
Why do you not understand that it could have gone different?
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;22606008]why do you not understand that the article does not tell the whole story, and that the victim could have easily been lieing?
Why do you not understand that it could have gone different?[/QUOTE]
if the marines WERE sexually assaulted by the victim then why didn't they say that when they were interviewed by the police?
[QUOTE=JDK721;22605951]so squinting at him is doing something wrong? and it's disproportionate force. they didn't have to beat him.[/QUOTE] I honestly think you have selective reading. All the article said was what the victim stated which was "squinting" I'm saying if he sexually assaulted him which is obviously what he's going to say then he's allowed to defend himself. Like the above poster said, one punch can render someone unconscious. Remember, he's in the marines, he's pretty fucking strong. Stop trying to make it sound like he beat him senseless.
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terrible analogy[/quote]See the thing with Facepunch is, you either defend things homosexuals do, or you're quickly labeled as homophobe, just like what you did to me now. Not one sexual orientation is perfect. It was a necessary analogy, if you're are against Israel, you're antisemitic, you just did the same here except you called me a homophobe.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22606072]I honestly think you have selective reading. All the article said was what the victim stated which was "squinting" I'm saying if he sexually assaulted him which is obviously what he's going to say then he's allowed to defend himself. Like the above poster said, one punch can render someone unconscious. Remember, he's in the marines, he's pretty fucking strong. Stop trying to make it sound like he beat him senseless. [/QUOTE]
if the marines WERE sexually assaulted by the victim then why didn't they say that when they were interviewed by the police?
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[QUOTE=starpluck;22606072]See the thing with Facepunch is, you either defend things homosexuals do, or you're quickly labeled as homophobe, just like what you did now. You are against Israel, you're antisemitic.[/QUOTE]
squinting does not justify beating him unconscious. Israel does shit like that as well. throw a rock at them? they'll shoot you. anyone supporting Israel is retarded.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22606043]if the marines WERE sexually assaulted by the victim then why didn't they say that when they were interviewed by the police?[/QUOTE]
the article could have easily left that out/bended it? I didn't say they were sexually assaulted, i'm just saying that the gay guy could've sexually harassed them.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22606097]if the marines WERE sexually assaulted by the victim then why didn't they say that when they were interviewed by the police?[/QUOTE]
All this fucking biased article says [quote]Cronauer told police that earlier in the evening, he and Stazel were harassed by a white homosexual male and that he was heading toward Bay Street to meet a friend.[/quote] It doesn't describe HOW he was harassed.
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[B]squinting does not justify beating him unconscious. [/B]Israel does shit like that as well. throw a rock at them? they'll shoot you. anyone supporting Israel is retarded.[/quote]Stop being so fucking hasty to believe what victim said only.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22606194]Stop being so fucking hasty to believe what victim said only.[/QUOTE]
witnesses, police, marines
if the marines WERE sexually assaulted by the victim then why didn't they say that when they were interviewed by the police?
[editline]01:40PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;22606180]the article could have easily left that out/bended it? I didn't say they were sexually assaulted, i'm just saying that the gay guy could've sexually harassed them.[/QUOTE]
so you're admitting to grasping for straws.. just stop posting then if your argument relies on what ifs.
The gay guy was harassing them, I'd do the same. Maybe not go as far as nearly killing him though.
[QUOTE=Dr Pepper;22606248]The gay guy was harassing them, I'd do the same. Maybe not go as far as nearly killing him though.[/QUOTE]
no he wasn't
[QUOTE=JDK721;22606223]witnesses, police, marines[/QUOTE] The only witness there is a friend which creates conflict with interest.
[quote]if the marines WERE sexually assaulted by the victim then why didn't they say that when they were interviewed by the police?[/quote]All this fucking biased article says [quote]Cronauer told police that earlier in the evening, he and Stazel were harassed by a white homosexual male and that he was heading toward Bay Street to meet a friend.[/quote] It doesn't describe HOW he was harassed.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22606223]witnesses, police, marines
if the marines WERE sexually assaulted by the victim then why didn't they say that when they were interviewed by the police?
[editline]01:40PM[/editline]
so you're admitting to grasping for straws.. just stop posting then if your argument relies on what ifs.[/QUOTE]
no, i am not.
Do you not realise how often the media bends shit to support it's bias?
[QUOTE=starpluck;22606285]All this fucking biased article says It doesn't describe HOW he was harassed.[/QUOTE]
uh, that was a completely different person. unrelated incident.
the two marines decided to retaliate and beat this guy who had nothing to do with the previous incident.
So what, marines beat a guy person up, bla bla bla
I do that regulary with my friends
also, i bet if a normal person got beaten up, they wouldn't post this on the news
but anyways, pat on the back for such a good job on them.
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Man. You just don't hit gay people! That's worse than hitting a girl.
They're precious.
[B]FOLLOW UP[/B]
[URL]http://www.wtoc.com/global/story.asp?s=12645816[/URL]
[quote=WOTC]SAVANNAH, GA - (WTOC) The FBI is launching a federal investigation into the beating of a homosexual man by two Marines in Savannah. An agent in Atlanta confirmed the preliminary investigation on Monday.
Marines Keil Cronauer and Christopher Stanzel were arrested Sunday morning on battery charges.
At about 3:45am Sunday, police responded to a call on Congress and Bull streets. When they arrived, they found Kieran Daly lying on the ground unconscious and two of his friends standing over him.
A friend ran to the officer and told him that Daly had been knocked out by two men. The officer witnessed two men matching the description running down Congress Lane a few minutes prior.
Cronauer and Stanzel were arrested a short time later. Cronauer and Stanzel told police they were trying to get away from a gay man who was harassing them.
Daly told police one of the Marines hit him because he thought he was winking at him.
Police records show Cronauer and Stanzel were later released to Marine police.[/quote]
[editline]06:48PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=JDK721;22606383]uh, that was a completely different person. unrelated incident.
the two marines decided to retaliate and beat this guy who had nothing to do with the previous incident.[/QUOTE]
Nope.
[quote]Cronauer and Stanzel told police they were trying to get away from a gay man who was harassing them.[/quote]
While the victim said:
[quote]Daly told police one of the Marines hit him because he thought he was winking at him.[/quote]
They were the same incident.
[QUOTE=Strongside;22604511]I bet he was flaunting his gayness thus deserving it[/QUOTE]
That's like saying if you flaunt your straightness you should deserve it.
[QUOTE=Evald;22606453]So what, marines beat a guy person up, bla bla bla
I do that regulary with my friends
also, i bet if a normal person got beaten up, they wouldn't post this on the news
but anyways, pat on the back for such a good job on them.[/QUOTE]
Troll spotted.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;22606640]Troll spotted.[/QUOTE]
what, i just don't like gay people.
[QUOTE=Evald;22606453]So what, marines beat a guy person up, bla bla bla
I do that regulary with my friends
also, i bet if a normal person got beaten up, they wouldn't post this on the news
but anyways, pat on the back for such a good job on them.[/QUOTE]
...
I don't even have any words to explain how much you anger me.
[QUOTE=Evald;22606694]what, i just don't like gay people.[/QUOTE]
why
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