American pick-up artist dumped in Australia after using 'rape' tactics - Polidicks

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;46430574]Except "just be yourself" is the best advice. A girl didn't want to go on a date with me because we had known each other for too long. So on a whim I decided to pretend that I hypnotized her to make her forget who I was. She, incredibly enough, played along so I introduced myself and when I suggested a date she said yes. That was also the first time I asked a girl out on a date and I have no idea why I decided to do what I did. Even though it turned out that she was kind of insane further down the road, it still worked. :v:[/QUOTE] Pick up doesn't advocate not being yourself. 90% of the teachers out there get pissed when people pretend to be someone they're not. Don't tell a girl you're an actor or something ridiculous if you're not. What they DO teach you is how to convey your best self. There are a ton of super awesome guys out there who just don't know how to socialize with women. Imagine if you're smart, moderately funny, successful and had a good upbringing for the most part. You see the most beautiful girl you've ever seen and you want to get to know her to see if there's more to her than just her looks. You approach, freeze up and completely blow it. Or worse, you psyche yourself out and never talk to her to begin with. You solve that through focused practice and self improvement. Which is the foundation of pick up. A lot of people in this thread have read one or two extremely biased articles from a source they respect and think they're an expert on what these guys teach and advocate. Obviously it's not worth the effort to try and change people's beliefs but if you are looking into this world for the first time, really explore it. Don't form your opinion based on a poorly written article.

Being able to have relationships boils down to a few things. Stop hyping women up to be some bizarre, impossible to understand thing. They're just people. Talk to em like they are. It's not really all that hard. Put some effort into grooming yourself, dressing, and how you present yourself. [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] Having some kind of weird playbook for getting women romantically interested into you is silly, when the base of the problem is social unawareness [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] And someone who employs coercion and physical/emotional harassment into that playbook has another set of problems entirely. You should not look up to these people

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;46430635]Being able to have relationships boils down to a few things. Stop hyping women up to be some bizarre, impossible to understand thing. They're just people. Talk to em like they are. It's not really all that hard. Put some effort into grooming yourself, dressing, and how you present yourself. [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] Having some kind of weird playbook for getting women romantically interested into you is silly, when the base of the problem is social unawareness[/QUOTE] That's what the guys teach. To pay attention how you present yourself and how you act. Little things that you're completely unaware.

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;46430575]The friendzone is a terrible and stupid concept based on the idea that if you are nice to a woman she is obligated to sexually please you and in not doing so somehow victimizes you Everyone who buys into the idea that the friend zone is a thing is a delusional social fuck up [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] [B]If a girl who you weren't attracted to got to know you and became your friend and made advances that you reject, would that make you the bad guy?[/B][/QUOTE] That would mean she got friendzone'd

[QUOTE=Nuggi man;46430659]That would mean she got friendzone'd[/QUOTE] Once again, it's a term to justify self pity for not getting what you want instead of accepting the rejection and learning healthy things from it

If you're a fat neckbeard with a fedora, be yourself all you want but that won't bring you any success with women. Key here is to be the best version of yourself. "Be yourself" is shitty advice women give that does not help anyone at all. Improve yourself instead of just being. [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Riller;46430274]It works in a very narrow definition of 'works'. Yes, it gets creepy douchebags laid. But it's not anything that's gonna get anyone a mutually positive relationship of any sort.[/QUOTE] Isn't the point of pickup "art" to get laid though?

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;46430669]Once again, it's a term to justify self pity for not getting what you want instead of accepting the rejection and learning healthy things from it[/QUOTE] That's the actual point of pick up. You can spend a million hours reading about pick up but you know what every single teacher pushes? Go out into the field and practice. Get rejected and learn from it. You need to approach 200 women before you're solid. And that sounds ridiculous, but hey, once you have the experience and the skill, when your dream girl walks by you'll know exactly what to do. There is no room for self pity because you won't learn anything from mental masturbation. You have to take action.

[QUOTE=rapperkid04;46430711]when your dream girl walks by you'll know exactly what to do. [/QUOTE]But that is manipulation and what not /feminism

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;46430635]Being able to have relationships boils down to a few things. Stop hyping women up to be some bizarre, impossible to understand thing. They're just people. Talk to em like they are. It's not really all that hard. Put some effort into grooming yourself, dressing, and how you present yourself. [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] Having some kind of weird playbook for getting women romantically interested into you is silly, when the base of the problem is social unawareness [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] And someone who employs coercion and physical/emotional harassment into that playbook has another set of problems entirely. You should not look up to these people[/QUOTE] Noone is hyping women up to some impossible to understand thing. In fact, some PUAs would argue that they completely understand them. You're right that they're just people but what are we talking about here? If a guy gets into seduction, it's so he can escalate relationships to a sexual level rather than just building comfort and remaining friends. You can shower and dress great but that doesn't mean you'll just start getting relationships. Like you said, women are people. They want more than someone who can remember to wash behind their ears. Why are you using so much negative language? If someone wants to learn how to fight, is it weird when they sign up for a boxing class? Is it weird that someone with depression seeks a therapist? Is it creepy when someone with anger issues embraces anger management? You build social awareness through practice. Some kids learn this through sports, clubs, their siblings or various activities as kids. Some kids don't have those opportunities and miss out on those building blocks so they grow up to be someone who doesn't get it. If a guy genuinely wants to better himself, shouldn't he have the same odds at getting the girl of his dreams as the next guy? [quote]co·er·cion kōˈərZHən,kōˈərSHən/ noun noun: coercion; plural noun: coercions the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.[/quote] You don't use force or threats to pick a girl up. With what Julien did you're literally looking at ONE of [b]thousands[/b] of interactions. Everyone has had shitty interactions right? But in pick up you NEVER threaten or force a girl to do anything. I actually have no idea where you think that using harassment to get girls is the norm. Julien is an edgy guy, yeah. That's his style. Does he harass girls? Not really. There's plenty of footage of him calling girls dogs and them LAUGHING and HAVING A GOOD TIME. I guess what it boils down to is this: Women are intelligent human beings just like you and I. Courtship and socializing in general is an art. If you think a woman is being manipulated or harassed when she's enjoying herself and feeling positive emotions, you're the one who is socially unaware.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46428717]If you have a phobia then using "pick up artist" techniques isn't going to help you at all. As for "only interested in sexual intercourse", guys like this are pretty much the embodiment of the argument "no means yes if you say "come on" enough". It's one thing to be in it for the sex, it's another to harass and impose on someone until they say "fine, lets go, just leave me the hell alone afterwards".[/QUOTE] Using a certain kind of "pick up artist techniques" might actually help you. The problem is that pick up artistry has developed into some kind of weird pseudo science with all kinds of different fucked up ideas. Julian Blanc is obviously a disgusting borderline rapist with no respect for women, and sadly a lot of the "pick up artists" today teach manipulation and garbage like this. However, there are good ones too that teach self-improvement and respect towards women, but sadly, these guys are very rare.

[QUOTE=rapperkid04;46430751]Noone is hyping women up to some impossible to understand thing. In fact, some PUAs would argue that they completely understand them.[/quote] Based on how they act they're doing a pretty shit job. [quote] You're right that they're just people but what are we talking about here? If a guy gets into seduction, it's so he can escalate relationships to a sexual level rather than just building comfort and remaining friends.[/quote] You sound like you think agency is solely on the part of the male here. That is something PUAs don't seem to understand. It isn't. They're trying to coerce someone into something without actually taking into account that they might have other interests or motivations. [quote] You can shower and dress great but that doesn't mean you'll just start getting relationships. Like you said, women are people. They want more than someone who can remember to wash behind their ears. [/quote] They probably want to be interacting with a considerate person who sees them on human terms rather than engineering every conversation to the end result of sex. Just like everyone else; because it's kind of ludicrous in the first place to talk about women like they are some kind of homogenous group with little variation in behavior and thought patterns. The most erroneous statements in the english language often begin with "Women/Men want/think/feel/act like..." [quote] Why are you using so much negative language? If someone wants to learn how to fight, is it weird when they sign up for a boxing class? Is it weird that someone with depression seeks a therapist? Is it creepy when someone with anger issues embraces anger management? [/quote] It's weird when someone joins a boxing class that actively encourages starting fights where there aren't any. The difference is that you're also citing examples where the people who are instructing these individuals are professionals who typically have a formalized and peer-reviewed means of instruction. A boxing instructor will train someone to be able to punch properly. A PUA can't train someone to interact with other people on a level above being a manipulative dickhead with a vocabulary of fake sociological terms. [quote] You build social awareness through practice. Some kids learn this through sports, clubs, their siblings or various activities as kids. Some kids don't have those opportunities and miss out on those building blocks so they grow up to be someone who doesn't get it. [/quote] Again, I'd see the PUA as the guy who doesn't get it well over the shy person who doesn't quite understand social interactions too well. You talk about all of this as if it's commonly accepted, but these statements completely lack nuance. It's not like there is a set learning curve on social interaction where if you miss out on Step C you are never going to learn why not to lick someone while you're talking to them. An individual's development is influenced by so many different factors you can't just say that someone "doesn't get it" because there are likely a great many things they do understand about social situations, and it's their own hangups they don't understand. Being able to be an honest and personable person is what is going to get anyone ahead in their social endeavors, and doing so usually takes a lot of effort to understand and deal with one's own social hangups. Hiding them under a mask of PUA techniques isn't going to help you in the long run, or the short term for that matter. Because most people are going to think you are an asshole, and deprive you of positive social interactions that might actually better yourself. [quote] If a guy genuinely wants to better himself, shouldn't he have the same odds at getting the girl of his dreams as the next guy? [/quote] So in one paragraph we say women are people and in the next we refer to them as basically a commodity? I don't get it. Everyone is going to have the same odds at finding the person of their dreams because those odds are typically determined by that person (by the nature of being the "right person") actually reciprocating those feelings, be they romantic or sexual or both. If someone is genuinely bettering themselves they shouldn't have to worry about planning and engineering social situations. [quote] You don't use force or threats to pick a girl up. With what Julien did you're literally looking at ONE of [b]thousands[/b] of interactions. Everyone has had shitty interactions right? But in pick up you NEVER threaten or force a girl to do anything. [/quote] It seems like he was doing exactly that. I don't get where unwanted physical contact is not threatening. If a gay man walked up to you in a bar as this guy did and ended up shoving your head into his crotch, would you not feel a little bit threatened and harassed? [quote] I actually have no idea where you think that using harassment to get girls is the norm.[/quote] Yeah, normal people don't do this. [quote] Julien is a douchebag, yeah. That's his style.[/quote] FTFY [quote] Does he harass girls? Not really. There's plenty of footage of him calling girls dogs and them LAUGHING and HAVING A GOOD TIME. [/quote] Or they're trying to laugh off the encounter as a lot of people tend to do when presented with similar circumstances. [quote] I guess what it boils down to is this: Women are intelligent human beings just like you and I.[/quote] Don't get ahead of yourself there. [quote] Courtship and socializing in general is an art. If you think a woman is being manipulated or harassed when she's enjoying herself and feeling positive emotions, you're the one who is socially unaware.[/QUOTE] It's not an art, it's a part of the human experience that you can be particularly good at if you understand how to do so. These people do not, and are widely seen as pathetic and harmful enough that the country of Australia seems to have made a point of kicking this guy out. Yeah, if a woman is feeling positive emotions and enjoying herself she probably isn't being harassed. You generally don't tend to know you're being manipulated until afterwards, though. So the problem here is all of the women who aren't feeling positive emotions and are being harassed by asshats who follow this redpill PUA crap and act like imbeciles for it.

[QUOTE=rapperkid04;46430751]I actually have no idea where you think that using harassment to get girls is the norm. Julien is an edgy guy, yeah. That's his style. Does he harass girls? Not really. There's plenty of footage of him calling girls dogs and them LAUGHING and HAVING A GOOD TIME.[/QUOTE] The fact that you believe this shows how little you understand people

[QUOTE=rapperkid04;46430751]Noone is hyping women up to some impossible to understand thing. In fact, some PUAs would argue that they completely understand them. You're right that they're just people but what are we talking about here? If a guy gets into seduction, it's so he can escalate relationships to a sexual level rather than just building comfort and remaining friends. You can shower and dress great but that doesn't mean you'll just start getting relationships. Like you said, women are people. They want more than someone who can remember to wash behind their ears. Why are you using so much negative language? If someone wants to learn how to fight, is it weird when they sign up for a boxing class? Is it weird that someone with depression seeks a therapist? Is it creepy when someone with anger issues embraces anger management? You build social awareness through practice. Some kids learn this through sports, clubs, their siblings or various activities as kids. Some kids don't have those opportunities and miss out on those building blocks so they grow up to be someone who doesn't get it. If a guy genuinely wants to better himself, shouldn't he have the same odds at getting the girl of his dreams as the next guy? You don't use force or threats to pick a girl up. With what Julien did you're literally looking at ONE of [b]thousands[/b] of interactions. Everyone has had shitty interactions right? But in pick up you NEVER threaten or force a girl to do anything. I actually have no idea where you think that using harassment to get girls is the norm. Julien is an edgy guy, yeah. That's his style. Does he harass girls? Not really. There's plenty of footage of him calling girls dogs and them LAUGHING and HAVING A GOOD TIME. I guess what it boils down to is this: Women are intelligent human beings just like you and I. Courtship and socializing in general is an art. If you think a woman is being manipulated or harassed when she's enjoying herself and feeling positive emotions, you're the one who is socially unaware.[/QUOTE] Imagine trying to justify sexual harrassment

Threads like this always bring out the massive creeps here on Facepunch. Let's hope they all pull a seano and get perma'd

the only useful PUA "technique" (hint: it's actually what every normal person does) is to suck up your anxiety and talk to women like you would anyone else. everything else is a bunch of disgusting and useless misogynistic concepts that appeal to awkward jokers because instead of making them improve themselves through self-criticism, it makes it all seem like a "game" they can get better at, treating women like numbers and objects instead of people. overall guys just don't be a fucking dipshit. "crippling anxiety" is a lame excuse to justify PUA trash. stop thinking of women as cryptic beings who will lash out at you if you talk to them wrong and you'll be good to go.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;46431168]PUAs don't care about relationships, for them women are just a thing that they can have sex with.[/QUOTE] So-... By PUA logic, my left hand is a woman, and I have gotten laid thousands of times. Or maybe that's PUI logics. Dunno. [sp]Can it at least be Garry, for once?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Nuggi man;46430309]How many here are in the friendzone? Because with the stuff you post, it seems to be everyone.[/QUOTE]What exactly is wrong with being friends with somebody? I've never taken any of the rejection like it was a personal attack, somebody didn't want to fuck me and that's okay. I'm fine with that, certainly when the alternative is being a needy little shit dependent on other people to feel good. This is how I see basically the entire PUA community; they are not happy with themselves and need constant sexual interaction to satisfy their sense of self-worth, and I have nothing in common with that.

[QUOTE=The Janitor;46428633]I don't support this guy at all, but what you're saying is absolute bullshit. Some men are so afraid of girls they will flat out not talk to them, at all. If you have any form of actual phobia then this can be related to that. Till I learned how to be self confident I was exactly like this, a girl would talk to me and I could not interact at all.[/QUOTE] I'm the most fortunate guy in the world in this regard. I had that issue bad, and the people who helped me out with my self confidence were mostly girls. Two birds, one stone.

[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;46431042]Based on how they act they're doing a pretty shit job. You sound like you think agency is solely on the part of the male here. That is something PUAs don't seem to understand. It isn't. They're trying to coerce someone into something without actually taking into account that they might have other interests or motivations. They probably want to be interacting with a considerate person who sees them on human terms rather than engineering every conversation to the end result of sex. Just like everyone else; because it's kind of ludicrous in the first place to talk about women like they are some kind of homogenous group with little variation in behavior and thought patterns. The most erroneous statements in the english language often begin with "Women/Men want/think/feel/act like..." It's weird when someone joins a boxing class that actively encourages starting fights where there aren't any. The difference is that you're also citing examples where the people who are instructing these individuals are professionals who typically have a formalized and peer-reviewed means of instruction. A boxing instructor will train someone to be able to punch properly. A PUA can't train someone to interact with other people on a level above being a manipulative dickhead with a vocabulary of fake sociological terms. Again, I'd see the PUA as the guy who doesn't get it well over the shy person who doesn't quite understand social interactions too well. You talk about all of this as if it's commonly accepted, but these statements completely lack nuance. It's not like there is a set learning curve on social interaction where if you miss out on Step C you are never going to learn why not to lick someone while you're talking to them. An individual's development is influenced by so many different factors you can't just say that someone "doesn't get it" because there are likely a great many things they do understand about social situations, and it's their own hangups they don't understand. Being able to be an honest and personable person is what is going to get anyone ahead in their social endeavors, and doing so usually takes a lot of effort to understand and deal with one's own social hangups. Hiding them under a mask of PUA techniques isn't going to help you in the long run, or the short term for that matter. Because most people are going to think you are an asshole, and deprive you of positive social interactions that might actually better yourself. So in one paragraph we say women are people and in the next we refer to them as basically a commodity? I don't get it. Everyone is going to have the same odds at finding the person of their dreams because those odds are typically determined by that person (by the nature of being the "right person") actually reciprocating those feelings, be they romantic or sexual or both. If someone is genuinely bettering themselves they shouldn't have to worry about planning and engineering social situations. It seems like he was doing exactly that. I don't get where unwanted physical contact is not threatening. If a gay man walked up to you in a bar as this guy did and ended up shoving your head into his crotch, would you not feel a little bit threatened and harassed? Yeah, normal people don't do this. FTFY Or they're trying to laugh off the encounter as a lot of people tend to do when presented with similar circumstances. Don't get ahead of yourself there. It's not an art, it's a part of the human experience that you can be particularly good at if you understand how to do so. These people do not, and are widely seen as pathetic and harmful enough that the country of Australia seems to have made a point of kicking this guy out. Yeah, if a woman is feeling positive emotions and enjoying herself she probably isn't being harassed. You generally don't tend to know you're being manipulated until afterwards, though. So the problem here is all of the women who aren't feeling positive emotions and are being harassed by asshats who follow this redpill PUA crap and act like imbeciles for it.[/QUOTE]I'd say you schooled him, but then I realized he probably isn't allowed within 500 meters of any school.

[QUOTE=Fapplejack;46427496]No sexism towards men, since I kinda am one, but some guys have to change their philosophy that there are ways to get with women that don't involve abuse, trauma, or manipulation to the woman.[/QUOTE] It concerns me that somebody feels the need to say 'No sexism towards men' before literally saying 'People shouldn't abuse others'. That's probably one of the most objectively 'moral' statements one can make.

Man, the red pillers just kinda swooped in and shat up the thread, didn't they?

[QUOTE=rapperkid04;46430711]Go out into the field and practice. Get rejected and learn from it. You need to approach 200 women before you're solid. And that sounds ridiculous, but hey, once you have the experience and the skill, when your dream girl walks by you'll know exactly what to do.[/QUOTE] This sounds weird as fuck. "Hey girl on the street, have sex with me." "No." "Hm, maybe for the next girl I should say please or something? Man I'm learning pretty quickly, she will dig that I'm sure." I am with my girlfriend because we have similar interests and got along well, I didn't ask 199 girls out before her and suddenly I figured out the key to girls. Jesus christ.

[quote=youtube comment]I think you social justice warriors should just accept that there is no way this moron guy would be able to pull anyone's head to his crouch if they didn't allow him to. The resistance would have been quite obvious. It's not about his size either because even a small child would easily run away. Yes your mom/sister/daughter etc would also have their heads on his crouch because they allowed it. This whole thing is being blown out of proportion. No one was being raped or violated. You're all just in denial and would comply to a lot worse if the situation fit (obviously what this guy mastered). Self righteous indignation by you sheep is quite entertaining anyway.•[/quote] do these people actually listen to themselves? "it's not assault because the person didn't resist even though they were probably scared or not willing to make a scene or in shock or a plethora of perfectly good reasons they were uncomfortable but unable to show it in a way that is blatantly obvious enough for someone as stupid as myself"

[QUOTE=rapperkid04;46428662]Pffft I love Julien's videos on YouTube. Definitely worth a watch. My favorite part is how edited the video in the op is :v: Out of context all of their videos seem horrible: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB3jn3TF3Y4[/media][/QUOTE] Jesus Christ I remember this Tom Cruise thing that seemed a lot like this...but I thought it wasn't serious or that anything like that existed Guess I was wrong And if anyone is failing to get on with someone, I wouldn't recommend seeing a PUA, I would recommend seing a psychologist or a group about failure and success. Because I would put my 100% monies in that he or she is afraid of failure, that, being rejected.

okay seriously [quote]“When you go to Tokyo….if you’re a white male, you can do what you want. Just grab her, pull her in. She’ll giggle. Just say 'PIKACHU' or 'POKEMON' or something to take the pressure off," he said.[/quote] what the actual fuck I seriously can't stand people like this irl