Education Dept. Says It Will Scale Back Civil Rights Investigations
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[QUOTE=ZakkShock;52371454]I can't even get mad anymore. I don't have any fight left in me.[/QUOTE]
no matter how dark this shithole gets, even now there's hope for man
[editline]18th June 2017[/editline]
i think ive gone beyond the point of caring what happens in my lifetime now. so long as i get some kind of reassurance before i die that this kind of thing will be torn to tatters then i will die peacefully. and ill do anything in my power to ensure the future is safe. even if it means having to watch Master of Disguise.
see no problem have no problem.
[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;52371923]What is:
SWAT?
The FBI?
The NSA?
The National Guard?
The Secret Service?
Private Contractors?
The notion that a 10k armed civilians with widely varied levels of training, most likely horrible logistics and fragmented organisation and little to no intelligence or cyber-warfare capability could stand up to just one of these organisations is close enough to insanity. That's also not accounting for the fact that in such an event, the government might defy the constitution and deploy the US Armed Forces for full effect. The 2nd amendment doesn't apply when the pinnacle of military technology isn't the rifle anymore.
An attempt at violent overthrow in the US would at "best" result in an insurgency, which would open the door to even more heinous restrictions on civil rights and liberty.
This isn't even going into the economic and geo-political fallout, as well as the morality of the execution/imprisonment/banishment of such "fat cats", which is what you seem to be advocating. Not all bad people are rich and not all rich people are bad.
I'd like to see the world's governments truly held to account as much as the next guy, but it's not going to happen in such a romanticised fashion. Let's say a rebellion went through without a hitch, without a drop of blood spilled; The people who rule through wealth or office are there because they're opportunists, and they exploit their positions for personal gain because they're opportunists. That type of person isn't going to cease existing, so what would come after?[/QUOTE]
Honestly I don't think anyone besides a government/military expert is super qualified to call it one way or another. My former-navy relative seems to think if such a revolution were to occur, the US military would be on the side of the populace. Is he right? I have no idea.
Though I'd be surprised if America declared revolution, if the military and police didn't have large portions side with them. The military is made up of former citizens, and many of them probably don't think highly of Congress and the like. [url=http://www.gallup.com/poll/1600/congress-public.aspx]Partially because almost nobody does.[/url]
I don't think enough people are [I]ready[/I] for a revolution for this discussion to even be feasible, but in a decade or two, I have no idea.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52373046]Honestly I don't think anyone besides a government/military expert is super qualified to call it one way or another. My former-navy relative seems to think if such a revolution were to occur, the US military would be on the side of the populace. Is he right? I have no idea.
Though I'd be surprised if America declared revolution, if the military and police didn't have large portions side with them. The military is made up of former citizens, and many of them probably don't think highly of Congress and the like. [url=http://www.gallup.com/poll/1600/congress-public.aspx]Partially because almost nobody does.[/url]
I don't think enough people are [I]ready[/I] for a revolution for this discussion to even be feasible, but in a decade or two, I have no idea.[/QUOTE]
when the national guard has been deployed or the military at large, they tend to be fairly loyal to the chain of command.
[QUOTE=ironman17;52371821]When in reality, folks should be stockpiling guns, making battle plans, and convincing themselves that there's something better on the other side.
Instead of saying "he will not divide us", folks should be saying "WE WILL DIVIDE THEM. INTO BLOODY CHUNKS. [B]TO WAR.[/B]" before storming the barricades and tearing everything down. After all, wasn't that one of the plans of the founding fathers? That if shit got like it is now, that we should tear it all down and start again?[/QUOTE]
We're not having another civil war. We're still trying to clean up the mess from the last one, and anyway, trying to overthrow the government is treason.
[QUOTE]easing off mandates imposed by the Obama administration[/QUOTE]
why is Trump so fucking petty to erase practically EVERYTHING Obama did?
[QUOTE=joshuadim;52373368]why is Trump so fucking petty to erase practically EVERYTHING Obama did?[/QUOTE]
Because he was an evil Kenyan. Not even joking, Trump reminds me of a paranoid grandparent worried about a globalist black man.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;52373368]why is Trump so fucking petty to erase practically EVERYTHING Obama did?[/QUOTE]
i remember a theory that it was the 2014 correspondents dinner or something where trump was in attendance, and obama roasted him for not being as rich as he says he is. After that, trump was dead set on becoming president just so he could undo everything obama did. the scary thing is, that doesn't even sound out of the realm of possibility at all.
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52373531]i remember a theory that it was the 2014 correspondents dinner or something where trump was in attendance, and obama roasted him for not being as rich as he says he is. After that, trump was dead set on becoming president just so he could undo everything obama did. the scary thing is, that doesn't even sound out of the realm of possibility at all.[/QUOTE]
That makes sense. When he was roasted on Comedy Central, the one thing he said was off-limits was making jokes about him not being as rich as he is.
You can shit on his family. You can belittle his real estate business. You can even take jabs at his treatment of minorities in his properties. But don't you DARE suggest he isn't [I]as[/I] rich as he claims.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52371469]Make America....
Something undesirable[/QUOTE]
Nah make america great again
For greasy alt right fuckstains who jack off to the idea that the 50s are coming back
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;52375113]For greasy alt right fuckstains who jack off to the idea that the 50s are coming back[/QUOTE]
A conservative fantasy version of the 50's. Conservatives like to leave out that our taxes on the wealthy were [I]much[/I] higher back then.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52375354]A conservative fantasy version of the 50's. Conservatives like to leave out that our taxes on the wealthy were [I]much[/I] higher back then.[/QUOTE]
Of course at the time the rest of the world was basically fucked from World War 2 so that was another factor.
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52371663]anyone else been super depressed and anxious lately? i feel like the constant shock and thinking they can't make any shittier decisions, then the anger and shit that comes after has been so emotionally draining[/QUOTE]
Stop taking politics so personally and learn to let it go. Unless you're personally involved national politics, there's no point in worrying about things out of your control.
I'm not saying to ignore the news entirely, but stop letting things out of your control affect you too much.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;52375435]Stop taking politics so personally and learn to let it go. Unless you're personally involved national politics, there's no point in worrying about things out of your control.
I'm not saying to ignore the news entirely, but stop letting things out of your control affect you too much.[/QUOTE]
this is the most privileged thing i've ever read
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;52375435]Stop taking politics so personally and learn to let it go. Unless you're personally involved national politics, there's no point in worrying about things out of your control.
I'm not saying to ignore the news entirely, but stop letting things out of your control affect you too much.[/QUOTE]
I genuinely hate this kind of thinking. I wish I was in the situation where fallout from politicians making shitty decisions was just something that happened to "other people".
"Pffft, you only stand to lose your access to healthcare- why worry?"
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;52375435]Stop taking politics so personally and learn to let it go. Unless you're personally involved national politics, there's no point in worrying about things out of your control.
I'm not saying to ignore the news entirely, but stop letting things out of your control affect you too much.[/QUOTE]
so when the government decides to strip you of your rights, don't give a shit
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;52375435]Stop taking politics so personally and learn to let it go. Unless you're personally involved national politics, there's no point in worrying about things out of your control.
I'm not saying to ignore the news entirely, but stop letting things out of your control affect you too much.[/QUOTE]
Wow I've never thought about it like that, and I never will thanks
hey guys just give trump a chance ok itll turn out ok if we trust in the d
just give trump a chance
How many here actually read the article? I dislike devoss but from what I take she's trying to push the responsibilities of racial problems onto the schools and expecting the schools to fix their problems. Her actions also only effect the federal level and as I have said quite a few times before, state laws cover equal opportunity and anti-discrimimation cases quite well and unless the courts rule that those two things are unconstitutional there is nothing devoss can do but flap her saggy mouth.
Get informed and quit being Nietzschean slaves.
[QUOTE=Shirt.;52379991]How many here actually read the article? I dislike devoss but from what I take she's trying to push the responsibilities of racial problems onto the schools and expecting the schools to fix their problems. Her actions also only effect the federal level and as I have said quite a few times before, state laws cover equal opportunity and anti-discrimimation cases quite well and unless the courts rule that those two things are unconstitutional there is nothing devoss can do but flap her saggy mouth.
Get informed and quit being Nietzschean slaves.[/QUOTE]
Federal money means following federal laws and regulations. She doesn't believe this. There is no way around that.
[QUOTE=Shirt.;52379991]How many here actually read the article? I dislike devoss but from what I take she's trying to push the responsibilities of racial problems onto the schools and expecting the schools to fix their problems. Her actions also only effect the federal level and as I have said quite a few times before, state laws cover equal opportunity and anti-discrimimation cases quite well and unless the courts rule that those two things are unconstitutional there is nothing devoss can do but flap her saggy mouth.
Get informed and quit being Nietzschean slaves.[/QUOTE]
The schools bury the issues and hide them.
Get some historical context before you run your mouth.
Are you guys honestly talking about killing yourselves? That's fucking nuts.
Democrats will get majority most likely when midterms come around and I doubt another republican will be president for a long time.
We'll have a good 4-8 years after Trump of some democrat undoing all of Trump's shit and a similar media jerk off sesh will happen just like Obama's presidency.
[editline]20th June 2017[/editline]
whoops, kind of late.
[QUOTE=ironman17;52371821]When in reality, folks should be [B]stockpiling guns, making battle plans, and convincing themselves that there's something better on the other side.[/B]
Instead of saying "he will not divide us", folks should be saying [B]"WE WILL DIVIDE THEM. INTO BLOODY CHUNKS.[/B] [B]TO WAR.[/B]" before storming the barricades and [B]tearing everything down.[/B][/QUOTE]
It's so amusing that lefties, who so smugly dismissed the idea of violent revolution as a fantasy of crazy right wingers and libertarians for years are now sounding more like stereotypical militiaman prepper than the actual militiamen.
In all honesty a liberal-left uprising would actually result in a scenario where these hutaree types would actually fight alongside the gub'ment. Impossible to imagine not long ago.
[QUOTE=ironman17;52371821]After all, wasn't that one of the plans of the founding fathers? That [B]if shit got like it is now,[/B] that we should tear it all down and start again?[/QUOTE]
I think a lot of them, considering their 18th century outlooks, would probably see Trump as one of the least bad of all the different president America's had since before World War I.
[editline]21st June 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=TheHydra;52371949]that's assuming that all those agencies stay in perfect union. in the case of a full armed revolt i imagine many police officers and military members would defect, some with high levels of training and intricate knowledge of the inner workings of such organizations which would spell very bad news for the remaining government forces.[/QUOTE]
If macros weren't banned I'd post the condescending wonka meme.
I'm 100% sure that after being collectively slandered and demonized by the left, watching their colleges get pelted and in some cases killed by BLM activists I'm sure many Police will just jump at the chance to collaborate with a liberal/left insurrection, that's a totally plausible scenario.
What about the military? I don't expect they'll have any issue with switching sides to a legion of angry college-boys who would say Trump's relatively mild travel ban is the worst thing a President can do. Especially when many of them have been deployed to the middle east where they have witnessed Islamist barbarism first hand, and even lost friends to it, I doubt there's even the smallest enthusiasm among them for President Trump, none whatsoever.
/sarcasm
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52383129]
If macros weren't banned I'd post the condescending wonka meme.
I'm 100% sure that after being collectively slandered and demonized by the left, watching their colleges get pelted and in some cases killed by BLM activists I'm sure many Police will just jump at the chance to collaborate with a liberal/left insurrection, that's a totally plausible scenario.
What about the military? I don't expect they'll have any issue with switching sides to a legion of angry college-boys who would say Trump's relatively mild travel ban is the worst thing a President can do. Especially when many of them have been deployed to the middle east where they have witnessed Islamist barbarism first hand, and even lost friends to it, I doubt there's even the smallest enthusiasm among them for President Trump, none whatsoever.
/sarcasm[/QUOTE]
Do you really think the military has an overwhelming support for Trump?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52383300][B]Do you really think[/B] the military has an overwhelming support for Trump?[/QUOTE]
You already know the answer to that.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52383300]Do you really think the military has an overwhelming support for Trump?[/QUOTE]
I believe there were polls on military personnel definitely preferred him to Clinton. Trump has also appointed beloved figure like General Mattis to key positions.
I do see some scenarios where the military (as in the rank and file) might turn against him, but if you think they'd replace him with someone liberals would consider "nice" I've got a bridge to sell you.
[editline]21st June 2017[/editline]
The uprising Trump should be most worried about is from the angry white working class people and alt-right shitposters once they realize they've been duped, but I don't know what people in this thread would think of their ideal replacement.
[editline]21st June 2017[/editline]
But even then they're not going to turn against him to that extreme extent if it might give the hard left an opening to seize power.
[QUOTE=archangel125;52383337]You already know the answer to that.[/QUOTE]
There was a dude here that seemed to be from the military that basically said they didn't give a fuck as long as they gave them people to kill.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52383129]It's so amusing that lefties, who so smugly dismissed the idea of violent revolution as a fantasy of crazy right wingers and libertarians for years are now sounding more like stereotypical militiaman prepper than the actual militiamen.
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Accidental star, so I apologise on that, but way to paint one poster as being a representative of a group of people so you can easily dismiss anything else that's been said in this thread.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52383011]Are you guys honestly talking about killing yourselves? That's fucking nuts.
[B]Democrats will get majority most likely when midterms come around and I doubt another republican will be president for a long time.
We'll have a good 4-8 years after Trump of some democrat undoing all of Trump's shit and a similar media jerk off sesh will happen just like Obama's presidency.[/B]
[editline]20th June 2017[/editline]
whoops, kind of late.[/QUOTE]
I mean, I couldn't have predicted Trump's ratings would drop this low, this fast, but provided something extraordinary happens between now and next year (like impeachment) I don't see Democrats winning a majority in the next midterms.
Also, "media jerk off sesh"? I'm not sure what that means. Are you saying that people will generally prefer generic Democrat to Trump?
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52383129]It's so amusing that lefties, who so smugly dismissed the idea of violent revolution as a fantasy of crazy right wingers and libertarians for years are now sounding more like stereotypical militiaman prepper than the actual militiamen.
In all honesty a liberal-left uprising would actually result in a scenario where these hutaree types would actually fight alongside the gub'ment. Impossible to imagine not long ago.[/QUOTE]
As a moderate pro-gun guy I think its great. I hope the left starts to embrace guns and the second amendment more, and I hope some of those second amendment people prevent Trump from winning in 2020.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52383129]I think a lot of them, considering their 18th century outlooks, would probably see Trump as one of the least bad of all the different president America's had since before World War I.[/QUOTE]
Probably not.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52383300]Do you really think the military has an overwhelming support for [B]Mattis[/B]?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
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