• Food project proposes Matrix-style vertical chicken farms
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[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34713198]It would be inhumane to eat such a horrible meat. Seriously, it's like taking a small steak and covering it in red paint and grease to make it look bigger.[/QUOTE] You say that because you never lived in real lack. Yes, I would obviously prefer organic chicken which ran around freely until it got killed for food. No, it's not a significant downside if the other choice is not eating meat at all. [editline]15th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;34713538]It's a wide step in the WRONG direction. It's still a horrible place to raise chickens in. You'd still have to feed the chickens somehow, which will produce lots and lots of feces, [B]which will make the place dirty as fuck (even if you use tubes and all)[/B] [/QUOTE] Do you have a single fact to back that claim up with?
I wonder who hatched this idea...
Haha whoa I kind of see something like this coming up. I mean, we CAN simply overpopulate a warehouse with immobile chickens with their brain activity snipped right off.
I am absolutely astonished that they propose to make the chickens brain dead. The correct path, as shown in the Hitchhiker's guide, is to create a sentient animal that exists for and desires the sole purpose of being eaten.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;34713935]You say that because you never lived in real lack. Yes, I would obviously prefer organic chicken which ran around freely until it got killed for food. No, it's not a significant downside if the other choice is not eating meat at all. [/QUOTE] Oh yeah because that food's totally going to the poor starving African children alright Or even to the poor American homeless people Sure [editline]15th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=squids_eye;34713896]It's definitely a step in the right direction. This looks like it would be a hell of a lot easier to keep clean than current battery farming methods. Cheap shitty meat is already being made, this is a way to make it safer and less painful and stressful for the animal. It's obviously no alternative to free range farming but in the future the price of that is going to go way up due to the amount of land it requires. As much as I hate to admit it, mass production of meat like this is the future, they just need to work out the issues with meat quality and it will thousands of times more efficient than traditional farming.[/QUOTE] The whole "we are lacking place and we don't have enough meat" is a myth. We do have enough meat, we just don't distribute it the right way in the right place. Right now we produce enough food to feed the entire planet but very much like money, it's a very small quantity of people holding the biggest part of it. Chickens are quite the tough things. Have you seen the massive room there is even in the US that could be used for farming ? There's plenty of room for proper free-range farming, but this kind of weird shit is what keeps being made because you can make cheaper, shittier meat and don't care about whatever your customers are eating.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34714013]Oh yeah because that food's totally going to the poor starving African children alright Or even to the poor American homeless people Sure [editline]15th February 2012[/editline] The whole "we are lacking place and we don't have enough meat" is a myth. We do have enough meat, we just don't distribute it the right way in the right place. Right now we produce enough food to feed the entire planet but very much like money, it's a very small quantity of people holding the biggest part of it. Chickens are quite the tough things. Have you seen the massive room there is even in the US that could be used for farming ? There's plenty of room for proper free-range farming, but this kind of weird shit is what keeps being made because you can make cheaper, shittier meat and don't care about whatever your customers are eating.[/QUOTE] Like I said, this shitty meat is being made regardless of what people would prefer because it is cheaper, why is developing new ways making it more humane and safer bad thing?
Yeah, i'd prefer vitromeat instead of chicken matrix. Or, we could engage a rather eldritch method and genetically engineer chickens to be like fruit trees, producing polyps of chickeny muscle and meat on their bodies that easily regrow after being surgically removed. Think of it as, well, chicken trees. Another way to make chicken trees would be to make them even more like trees; large stationary creatures with many arm-like branches that produce the polyps by drawing nutrition out of the well-tended soils. Sure it sounds like some sort of eldritch abomination or alien lifeform, but it'd actually just be like having trees that produce animal-esque meat.
[QUOTE=ironman17;34714288]Yeah, i'd prefer vitromeat instead of chicken matrix. Or, we could engage a rather eldritch method and genetically engineer chickens to be like fruit trees, producing polyps of chickeny muscle and meat on their bodies that easily regrow after being surgically removed. Think of it as, well, chicken trees. Another way to make chicken trees would be to make them even more like trees; large stationary creatures with many arm-like branches that produce the polyps by drawing nutrition out of the well-tended soils. Sure it sounds like some sort of eldritch abomination or alien lifeform, but it'd actually just be like having trees that produce animal-esque meat.[/QUOTE] In vitro meat is more complicated and expensive to produce at the moment, I'd say this is a decent alternative until it is easier to produce efficiently and at a good quality.
This is fucking awesome. But jesus christ it's just... weird.
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I know that I really hate this idea, but I can't come up with a way to present an argument...
I think I'm just gonna start growing my own chickens in the back yard At least then they get a couple of years to run around and peck worms out of the dirt and breathe actual air before I chomp em
[QUOTE=TheLolrus;34714629]I know that I really hate this idea, but I can't come up with a way to present an argument...[/QUOTE] It's one of those things which looks like it is pretty fucking disgusting, but is still better than current methods. [editline]15th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Maloof?;34714638]I think I'm just gonna start growing my own chickens in the back yard At least then they get a couple of years to run around and peck worms out of the dirt and breathe actual air before I chomp em[/QUOTE] Keeping chickens in your garden isn't very good for anything but eggs. You can get some pretty bigass eggs if you do it right though.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;34714658]It's one of those things which looks like it is pretty fucking disgusting, but is still better than current methods. [/QUOTE] Indeed. If your argument is about cruelty then it doesn't stand. If you can't understand that current methods are worse than this you're dense. Also to grow muscles why not attach some machine to move chicken legs :v:
[QUOTE=squids_eye;34714658]It's one of those things which looks like it is pretty fucking disgusting, but is still better than current methods. [editline]15th February 2012[/editline] Keeping chickens in your garden isn't very good for anything but eggs. You can get some pretty bigass eggs if you do it right though.[/QUOTE] I don't really want instant big-ass chicken I'm happy with normal sized chicken [editline]16th February 2012[/editline] Also how do we get the cerebral cortex out? If it were me I'd be pretty pissed if my life story consisted of 'Was born, saw doctor, doctor cut out my brain, incredible agony, nothing'
[QUOTE=Maloof?;34714919]I don't really want instant big-ass chicken I'm happy with normal sized chicken [editline]16th February 2012[/editline] Also how do we get the cerebral cortex out? If it were me I'd be pretty pissed if my life story consisted of 'Was born, saw doctor, doctor cut out my brain, incredible agony, nothing'[/QUOTE] That's not really my point. you have to keep a pretty large amount of chickens to eat more than one every few months.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34714013]Have you seen the massive room there is even in the US that could be used for farming ?[/QUOTE] "Yeah, we could grow so much free range chicken if we just bulldozed all the people and their houses off the land!"
By "vertical chicken farm" I thought of hundreds of chickens crowded going down a long Futurama-styled tube.
[QUOTE=Falchion;34713136]Wow. Now this is fucked up. I wouldn't support this, atlest at the current state of food production demand.[/QUOTE] Oh man, this is almost as fucked up as eating them.
That's... Kind of cool.
i have no beak and i must scream
I honestly don't like this, it's just not right. Granted, it is a great idea for mass production of chickens, but this just seems cruel. You're robbing the creature of life. There is so much undeveloped land that could be used to keep chickens in near as natural conditions as possible and still harvest them. Hell, renovate an abandoned apartment building or something and turn it into a multi level chicken farm, you just gotta design it so the shit can be collected and removed, other then that it could also be near natural in this setting with proper lighting and living arrangements. I have chickens that I keep for eggs and hope they'll lay soon so I can have more chickens down the line, kind of why I don't like this. They're decent creatures really. I consider them pets that provide a random source of breakfast.
I fully support this. Not only is it more humane, but it'll end up being more sanitary and cheaper for everyone.
This doesn't really bother me, because most things we eat are pretty gross if you think about it, anyway.
I think I'll stick the free range.
What right do we have to manipulate another species to such an extent that we remove their cerebral cortex just to provide a simpler way to give us food? It is very effective it seems when i read it and atleast they dont feel anything. But this still feels really wrong.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;34715943]I honestly don't like this, it's just not right. Granted, it is a great idea for mass production of chickens, but this just seems cruel. You're robbing the creature of life. There is so much undeveloped land that could be used to keep chickens in near as natural conditions as possible and still harvest them. Hell, renovate an abandoned apartment building or something and turn it into a multi level chicken farm, you just gotta design it so the shit can be collected and removed, other then that it could also be near natural in this setting with proper lighting and living arrangements. I have chickens that I keep for eggs and hope they'll lay soon so I can have more chickens down the line, kind of why I don't like this. They're decent creatures really. I consider them pets that provide a random source of breakfast.[/QUOTE] Did you really miss the part that mentions the chickens pretty much don't have a brain from the get go? They're absolutely braindead.
[QUOTE=Shoopiwoop;34716263]What right do we have to manipulate another species to such an extent that we remove their cerebral cortex just to provide a simpler way to give us food?[/QUOTE] It's not so much a question of rights as it is a question of capabilities. We possess the technological and intellectual capabilities (among other things) necessary to manipulate other species of organisms to fulfill our dietary needs and desires. This includes removing brain matter from chickens to make the farming process more humane, cloning various types of meats on large scales, genetically engineering crops so they'll produce greater yields, etc. I don't really see the problem with this. My only concern is that it won't be used responsibly.
I'll be first in line to eat this stuff. It'll be meat raised extremely cheaply, efficiently, and will lower the price of chicken meat. The lower the price of food and more available it is, the more humans can be fed easily and nutritiously.
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