• Food project proposes Matrix-style vertical chicken farms
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[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;34715943]I honestly don't like this, it's just not right. Granted, it is a great idea for mass production of chickens, but this just seems cruel. You're robbing the creature of life. There is so much undeveloped land that could be used to keep chickens in near as natural conditions as possible and still harvest them. Hell, renovate an abandoned apartment building or something and turn it into a multi level chicken farm, you just gotta design it so the shit can be collected and removed, other then that it could also be near natural in this setting with proper lighting and living arrangements. I have chickens that I keep for eggs and hope they'll lay soon so I can have more chickens down the line, kind of why I don't like this. They're decent creatures really. I consider them pets that provide a random source of breakfast.[/QUOTE] I hate people that try to justify or argue against something by by calling it or claiming it isn't "right".
This would be much better if it somehow constructed a matrix-like world for the chickens to roam around in while they're living like this, but that technology is way ahead of us. This is still way better conditions than how they are farmed now.
Thats really fucking creepy. But still a far better solution than it [I]experiencing[/I] the things I've seen from chicken farms. [sp]FUCK YOU FOOD INC.[/sp]
Creepy yes, but more humane too. I mean right now we kill them anyway, just after we put them though the horrific farming, I don't see how removing their brain is any worse than killing them.
I wonder what it tastes like, as free range and farmed meat have a remarkably different taste, I know this from hunting as free range animals have a quite different taste to them. I'm all for this if our populations grows to the point where maintaining classic farms is uneconomical compared to "matrix" farms.
What some of you guys are saying reminds me of that comedy video where scientists genetically engineer pigs that are cube shaped and are filled with breakfast food.
It just doesn't make me feel comfortable knowing they're raising brain dead chickens, attached to life support systems in some massive chicken coop..I mean, sure, it probably tastes the same, but the concept is just damned creepy.
That's just [i]too[/i] creepy.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;34716584]I'll be first in line to eat this stuff. It'll be meat raised extremely cheaply, efficiently, and will lower the price of chicken meat. The lower the price of food and more available it is, the more humans can be fed easily and nutritiously.[/QUOTE] It'll probably taste like shit, which I guess doesn't really matter if you're starving to death, but since I'm not I'm happy to pay out for better stuff.
[QUOTE=Van-man;34716492]Did you really miss the part that mentions the chickens pretty much don't have a brain from the get go?[/QUOTE] No, I was stating my opinion and I thought I worded it in a way so as to convey the thought that things that live like this should not be made into mechanically aided food creatures. Sure they get farmed but this seems wrong and money could be invested into land and property that can raise chickens AND give people jobs raising them, cleaning after them, etc. You're not seeing the other side of the coin, you just hear "OH HOLY FUCK MORE CHICKEN."
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34717720]It'll probably taste like shit, which I guess doesn't really matter if you're starving to death, but since I'm not I'm happy to pay out for better stuff.[/QUOTE] Taste is largely subjective, if you think it will taste like shit, then chances are then you WILL taste it and assume it tastes shit.
[QUOTE=Thlis;34716594]I hate people that try to justify or argue against something by by calling it or claiming it isn't "right".[/QUOTE] I at least have proper reasoning behind my beliefs, I'm not a nutjob religious person, I'm a person who sees jobs in raising chickens and believe they should be raised in a sort of free range environment. It can be done with land or property as I've said. Tell me how my argument is bad other then "Oh we get more meat guys."
“Although most people don’t know chickens as well as they know cats and dogs, chickens are interesting individuals with personalities and interests every bit as developed as the dogs and cats with whom many of us share our lives.” - Cornel West
A lot of people in this thread are missing the point here: most chicken meat produced today comes from places with *horrible* conditions. They don't have space to move around. They never see light (some places have artificial light, others are just kept completely dark). The cages are incredibly cramped. They have to deal with noise virtually all the time. They're fed all kinds of shitty food and chemicals. I wish this sort of horrible treatment didn't occur and I much prefer free-range meat both for ethical and taste reasons, but I think if you're going to treat chickens like cogs in a machine anyway, at least have the decency to not let them suffer from it. The only worry I have is if or how much it would affect the free-range business model, by creating even more of a price gap or whatever.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;34718076]I at least have proper reasoning behind my beliefs, I'm not a nutjob religious person, I'm a person who sees jobs in raising chickens and believe they should be raised in a sort of free range environment. It can be done with land or property as I've said. Tell me how my argument is bad other then "Oh we get more meat guys."[/QUOTE] Bear in mind, this isn't an alternative to traditional, free range farming. It is a cleaner, safer, more efficient and more humane way to mass produce chicken meat. Have you seen the current battery farms? It is probably a blessing to be brain dead when compared to what they have to live through now.
[QUOTE=SilentOpp;34712667]Oh PETA is just going to [U][B]LOVE[/B][/U] this.[/QUOTE] I can understand this time. I think we're stepping into a gray area that we really don't need to be in right now. This is going to be inevitable in the future as the human population grows. This is one of those things I don't think is necessarily wrong, but I don't think it is necessarily right either. We're going to have to do this in the future though... might as well start preparing... This is a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. [editline]15th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=squids_eye;34718560]Bear in mind, this isn't an alternative to traditional, free range farming. It is a cleaner, safer, more efficient and more humane way to mass produce chicken meat. Have you seen the current battery farms? It is probably a blessing to be brain dead when compared to what they have to live through now.[/QUOTE] I think he is simply suggesting we should find a scenario where the chicken doesn't have to be brain dead to not be miserable in the first place. Again, this is an unfortunate but necessary situation in my opinion.
this is fucked, just fucked.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;34718688] I think he is simply suggesting we should find a scenario where the chicken doesn't have to be brain dead to not be miserable in the first place. Again, this is an unfortunate but necessary situation in my opinion.[/QUOTE] I don't think that scenario exists. The people who own battery farms couldn't care less about the welfare of the chickens as long as they get a product they can sell at the end of it.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;34718688]I think he is simply suggesting we should find a scenario where the chicken doesn't have to be brain dead to not be miserable in the first place.[/QUOTE] There we go to summarize, it's possible with land, money, and manpower.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;34719008]There we go to summarize, it's possible with land, money, and manpower.[/QUOTE] you make it sound easy
How is this any different from harvesting plants?
[QUOTE=Squeaken;34719620]How is this any different from harvesting plants?[/QUOTE] plants tend not to have brains
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;34719008]There we go to summarize, it's possible with land, money, and manpower.[/QUOTE] Land costs money and man power costs money. The chickens are put in these conditions so that they don't have to spend as much but still have a huge output of meat. Basically any solution that costs them money can be ruled out because that is all they care about. Why buy a piece of land and fill it with 200 happy chickens when you can fit 20000 chickens in the same space?
jesus fuck this is horrible, but if its necessary then the industry will have no choice but to do this
Chickens' entire existence is devoted to feeding Humans. Without Humans, chickens would have never existed. They are crossbreads of other birds that we engineered to be mindless meatsacks. The same goes for cows, pigs, and most other livestock. I feel no remorse.
Think of it this way, guys: You have four choices. 1. Stuff the chickens in a crowded barn or whatever where they will never see light and more then likely suffer. Cheap but cruel. 2. Make them brainless and unable to feel, but grow "normally" with the use of shock therapy. Not [I]NEARLY[/I] as cruel, but still weird, and might cost a bit more. 3. Let the chickens roam free, grow naturally, making it so people have to go out and catch them to kill manually. Not cruel at all besides the killing part but I doubt you'd wanna eat a live, unplucked chicken. With the cost of owning the land and man labor/machinery costs, using that method would be rather expensive, and pretty much make chicken eating a thing for the upper class citizens, or for special occasions. 4. Just don't eat chicken. *And protest it. *Optional You can't make everyone happy. There's always going to be a large group of people that are unhappy with either four of those choices. To be honest, I think it'd be better for the majority, and the chickens I guess, for option #2. But that's just my opinion.
[QUOTE=rilez;34712726]I'd rather this than a life of pain, but it's still really creepy to think about. I also find it rather strange that Ford calls The Matrix a [B]"lovely gesture"[/B] towards the humans...[/QUOTE] Considering that as a race, humans decided the only option in response to the robots - who were peaceful and only acted in self defense - was to destroy the fuck out of them, and the robots repayed us by sealing us in a nice cozy virtual reality instead of just exterminating us, I don't see how that's strange.
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;34719977]Think of it this way, guys: You have four choices. 1. Stuff the chickens in a crowded barn or whatever where they will never see light and more then likely suffer. Cheap but cruel. 2. Make them brainless and unable to feel, but grow "normally" with the use of shock therapy. Not [I]NEARLY[/I] as cruel, but still weird, and might cost a bit more. 3. Let the chickens roam free, grow naturally, making it so people have to go out and catch them to kill manually. Not cruel at all besides the killing part but I doubt you'd wanna eat a live, unplucked chicken. With the cost of owning the land and man labor/machinery costs, using that method would be rather expensive, and pretty much make chicken eating a thing for the upper class citizens, or for special occasions. 4. Just don't eat chicken. *And protest it. *Optional You can't make everyone happy. There's always going to be a large group of people that are unhappy with either four of those choices. To be honest, I think it'd be better for the majority, and the chickens I guess, for option #2. But that's just my opinion.[/QUOTE] the root of the problem is cultural. people don't need as much chicken as is being produced. stop trying to meet the unnecessary demand and things like this wouldn't have to happen
[QUOTE=Sanius;34720020]the root of the problem is cultural. people don't need as much chicken as is being produced. stop trying to meet the unnecessary demand and things like this wouldn't have to happen[/QUOTE] From where do you draw the conclusion that "people don't need as much chicken as is being produced"?
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34720043]From where do you draw the conclusion that "people don't need as much chicken as is being produced"?[/QUOTE] people eat too much. there are too many fast food restaurants and super-markets chicken and livestock in general should be treated as a delicacy because it is a limited resource. people need to look at other alternatives before playing god
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