• Food project proposes Matrix-style vertical chicken farms
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tbh the meat'll probably taste like shit even worse than cheap battery-reared meat [I]already[/I] does.
WHAT THE FUUU
[QUOTE=ironman17;34714288]Yeah, i'd prefer vitromeat instead of chicken matrix. Or, we could engage a rather eldritch method and genetically engineer chickens to be like fruit trees, producing polyps of chickeny muscle and meat on their bodies that easily regrow after being surgically removed. Think of it as, well, chicken trees. Another way to make chicken trees would be to make them even more like trees; large stationary creatures with many arm-like branches that produce the polyps by drawing nutrition out of the well-tended soils. Sure it sounds like some sort of eldritch abomination or alien lifeform, but it'd actually just be like having trees that produce animal-esque meat.[/QUOTE] In all honesty, that sounds even more disturbing than the chicken matrix proposal.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;34727994]It would be harder to tell because they can't do anything for themselves other then be there because their brain is fried. They can't naturally bathe or dust bathe, so they'd require a mechanical apparatus to clean them, or a human overseer to do the same. It'd be easier to raise them naturally because if they got sick, you could actually see them being sick.[/QUOTE]Except it changes nothing as no one oversees the chicken so the new method will not change anything illness-wise.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34723975]Or, you know, we can calm the fuck down on massive condensed farming and favor ways of producing food that doesn't turn meat into shit. In France, we actually produce too much of a lot of things because of the usual "make more and more shit than necessary" policy, including meat and a lot of cereals. It's the remnants of a post-WW2 policy that consisted in making the country as independent as possible but it doesn't make much sense now, and all the extra food is sent to underdeveloped countries. It might sound like a good thing, but the problem is that the food sent there is cheaper that the food sold on site (because the entire food market is held by a bunch of business men at the stock market), which ruins the local economy of a lot of underdeveloped countries and just fuck them up more than usual. So yeah, the whole "we need to produce more in smaller places" thing is just bullshit. I can't comprehend how inhumane rich people can become to get to a point where they don't even understand the basics of human life, they just do stuff that are completely out of this world just so they get slightly more money.[/QUOTE] You realize how fucking hard it is to farm chickens right? You realize that this solves a lot of hunger problems? [editline]17th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Contag;34727189]I think that depends on what country you're in. Here the cities are fine. [editline]17th February 2012[/editline] How about you leave for being wrong while trying to take the moral high ground the primary cause of undernourishment is lack of money, and finger licking good food in the west either way, what you post wasn't relevant at all [B] Are you trying to say that people should eat lots because some people are starving?[/B][/QUOTE] Are [B]you [/B]saying people should eat less because other people are starving?
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;34726745]Cities overall are shit to live in. If I didn't have to go to work or school and could have good internet I'd live in a countryside. Just imo.[/QUOTE] Because cities totally don't have public entertainment, shops, proper sanitation, clean drinking water, the foundation of every civilisation, universities, schools, philosophers, employment, people to meet and interact with, etc. People who live in the countryside tend to be more isolated from people. They tend to be more xenophobic and racist due to having met/seen a larger variety of people. Said people are more intolerant of new ideas or changes because traditionally rural areas take longer to advance in progress than urban areas. The countryside tends to have less immigrants, it tends to have more religious people and religious extremists. Education is of poorer quality. Transport is of poorer quality. Public facilities are much fewer and more difficult to reach. [QUOTE=purvisdavid1;34727822]No. I actually identify as a Communist because I hate the classes of society, though with our current economic system it's inevitable.[/QUOTE] I though Communism was based on the idea that the current economic system would destroy itself after a given period of time? Communism also believes that Capitalism would contribute all the progress it could before self destruction, and that these developments would be used for the good of humanity. Mass produced cheap food is one such thing. You are closer to a Reactionary than a Communist.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;34731114]stuff[/QUOTE]Are we talking about american countryside? Also it's funny how you are implying you're tolerant while generalizing about all countryside.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;34731188]semicolon[/QUOTE] The countryside worldwide tends to be more backwards. There is a reason that most progress in human history was archived in Urban areas, or in order to improve or sustain a urban area. Had cities never rose at all, we would still all be in the neolithic living to the age of 40 and prone to disease.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;34731321]The countryside worldwide tends to be more backwards. There is a reason that most progress in human history was archived in Urban areas, or in order to improve or sustain a urban area. Had cities never rose at all, we would still all be in the neolithic living to the age of 40 and prone to disease.[/QUOTE] I don't give a shit. I can sleep outside in the summer in total and utter silence and with no light pollution.
[QUOTE=Van-man;34731434]I don't give a shit. I can sleep outside in the summer in total and utter silence and with no light pollution.[/QUOTE] Or you can put on earmuffs, close the curtains and lay in bed. With the added benefit of antibiotics, sanitation, healthy and easy to obtain food, people who are awake at that time who help keep everything running, people who keep you safe from criminals and feral beasts. There is also the added benefit of having a proper house that won't collaspe in bad weather, vaccination... If you have a room in a house to yourself, you can control the light setting, the temperature, the humidity, the sound levels, privacy and a host of other benefits.
This is brilliant, brutal and beautiful. I love it.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34721938]lol what chickens are just domesticated red Junglefowl.[/QUOTE] And a poodle's "just" a domesticated wolf. The point's valid, even if he got a detail wrong.
Anyone who is against this wants chickens to suffer. It's impossible to stop battery farming, even if it was made illegal in Europe or the US it would just lead to a rise in the price of meat and would damage the economy because of the people it would put out of business. The best way to make it better is to create a more humane, more efficient way of producing meat. This is one of them. If you think it is morally wrong then you need a reality check, this is nothing compared to what happens in battery farms right now.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;34732998]Anyone who is against this wants chickens to suffer. It's impossible to stop battery farming, even if it was made illegal in Europe or the US it would just lead to a rise in the price of meat and would damage the economy because of the people it would put out of business. The best way to make it better is to create a more humane, more efficient way of producing meat. This is one of them. If you think it is morally wrong then you need a reality check, this is nothing compared to what happens in battery farms right now.[/QUOTE] or put more pressure on a move away from meat (rating dumb without responding is kind of pathetic)
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;34733273]or put more pressure on a move away from meat (rating dumb without responding is kind of pathetic)[/QUOTE] That's MUCH harder than improving battery farms to be more efficient and humane (the chickens don't feel ANYTHING with most of their brain missing) And we currently (nor in the near future) can't stack corn farming in a feasible way. Yet we can with chickens, just look at battery farms.
[QUOTE=Van-man;34733305]That's MUCH harder than improving battery farms to be more efficient and humane (the chickens don't feel ANYTHING with most of their brain missing) And we currently (nor in the near future) can't stack corn farming in a feasible way. Yet we can with chickens, just look at battery farms.[/QUOTE] we're using corn a little to much to be honest. and it really doesn't matter if it's harder... it's right, and better for the long term.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;34733273]or put more pressure on a move away from meat (rating dumb without responding is kind of pathetic)[/QUOTE] That is even more impossible than stopping battery farms and is even more damaging to the economy.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;34733365]That is even more impossible than stopping battery farms and is even more damaging to the economy.[/QUOTE] please explain how it's impossible
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;34733404]please explain how it's impossible[/QUOTE] Because people really fucking like meat. Did you ever learn about the alcohol prohibition in America? It didn't end well. Taking away things that people have had for centuries isn't easy. Not to mention the politics behind it. No party would openly support removing something so significant from society for fear of losing voters. Then there is the huge amount of businesses that would be shut down because they rely on selling or producing meat.
The braindead chicken idea is definitely interesting. It sounds pretty humane as far as I can see, as long as the entire process is totally painless.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;34733357]we're using corn a little to much to be honest. and it really doesn't matter if it's harder... it's right, and better for the long term.[/QUOTE] Doesn't matter if it's right or not, we [I]JUST CAN'T[/I] make it work. That's why we're forced to soon adopt less elegant yet efficient solutions, as mentioned in OP.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;34733552]Because people really fucking like meat. Did you ever learn about the alcohol prohibition in America? It didn't end well. Taking away things that people have had for centuries isn't easy. Not to mention the politics behind it. No party would openly support removing something so significant from society for fear of losing voters. Then there is the huge amount of businesses that would be shut down because they rely on selling or producing meat.[/QUOTE] did i ever say straight up removing/banning meat? people in england and north america were almost entirely christian. buisness wouldn't be lost, it would be changed [editline]17th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Van-man;34733663]Doesn't matter if it's right or not, we [I]JUST CAN'T[/I] make it work. That's why we're forced to soon adopt less elegant yet efficient solutions, as mentioned in OP.[/QUOTE] yes we can
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;34733694]yes we can[/QUOTE] Allright hotshot, pitch me your ideas, and I would like to see schematics and calculations that compare the efficiency of your idea(s) versus current & conventional ones. [I]"Just believe me"[/I] Isn't good enough, besides if it WAS feasible then we'd already be on our way of doing it.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;34733694]did i ever say straight up removing/banning meat? people in england and north america were almost entirely christian. buisness wouldn't be lost, it would be changed[/quote] I'm sorry but please explain to me how fast food restaurants, steak houses, kebab shops, butchers etc can easily convert to not selling meat? You are incredibly naive if you think the human race could easily stop doing something that it has always done.
Reminds me of that scene from the book [i]The Restaurant at the End of the Universe[/i], where they developed a cow that wants to be eaten, but then nobody wanted to eat it.
Reminds me of the torso unit from Quake IV [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/k6POJ.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=squids_eye;34733872]I'm sorry but please explain to me how fast food restaurants, steak houses, kebab shops, butchers etc can easily convert to not selling meat? You are incredibly naive if you think the human race could easily stop doing something that it has always done.[/QUOTE] Specific businesses would suffer, but different ones would take their place to accomodate for new demand. i'm not saying this would be fast nor easy, but it is where we should be moving. i'm just saying there's nothing making it impossible [editline]17th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Van-man;34733858]Allright hotshot, pitch me your ideas, and I would like to see schematics and calculations that compare the efficiency of your idea(s) versus current & conventional ones. [I]"Just believe me"[/I] Isn't good enough, besides if it WAS feasible then we'd already be on our way of doing it.[/QUOTE] it would make more sense for you to tell me how it isn't possible.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;34733946]it would make more sense for you to tell me how it isn't possible.[/QUOTE] You brought the argument to the table, you are the one with the burden of evidence. Show us why you are right, and we then counter your points. That is how an argument works, not the way you seem to think it does. Oh, and why should we stop eating meat? Humans are omnivores, we can eat meat if we want, it's a pretty fucking rad position for our species.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;34733946] it would make more sense for you to tell me how it isn't possible.[/QUOTE] You are trying to forcibly change a diet that has relied massively on meat for the past 100,000 years. Humans need their meat. Trying to change that will take thousands of years to gradually implement.
he said "move away from meat" not "stop eating meat." [editline]16th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;34734040] Humans need their meat. Trying to change that will take thousands of years to gradually implement.[/QUOTE] not in the massive quantity that we consume it at today. and besides, there are many viable alternatives to meat.
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