[QUOTE=Contag;34740925]Free range is terrible and if you think it's manifestly better than alternate industrial production systems then you've bought the farm lobby's PR message about free range, hook line and sinker[/QUOTE]
Having seen Free Range farms for myself, living in the english countryside, I can assure you its not some corporate conspiracy
[QUOTE=Harry3;34741123]Having seen Free Range farms for myself, living in the english countryside, I can assure you its not some corporate conspiracy[/QUOTE]
it's not a corporate conspiracy but the actual difference in taste between battery and free range is mostly placebo. I can barely taste any difference
[QUOTE=Harry3;34741123]Having seen Free Range farms for myself, living in the english countryside, I can assure you its not some corporate conspiracy[/QUOTE]
Did you see the cannibalism, then?
Or did they all have their beaks chopped off.
I can assure you, you're an idiot if you think they'd show the nasty side of it openly.
It's fucking business 101
[QUOTE=Harry3;34740407]No.. YOU dont "get it".
SOME animals are "free range". Free Range is a different operation to battery farming, whereby the animals have sufficient space to grow, are allowed outdoors and have freedom to roam around. The end product is, of course, more expensive, but also much nicer to eat.[/QUOTE]
Most "free range" livestock don't get anywhere near the treatment you think they do. They rarely get to see daylight, the only "free" thing about their lives is the fact they aren't in cramped cages. Instead they are in warehouses fitted out to hold that animal.
Whether or not free range is better or not isn't even relevant. This is a replacement for battery farms, not free range. If it happens to be better than some free range farms aswell, that is an added bonus.
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[QUOTE=Contag;34741616]Did you see the cannibalism, then?
Or did they all have their beaks chopped off.
I can assure you, you're an idiot if you think they'd show the nasty side of it openly.
It's fucking business 101[/QUOTE]
I have a friend who owns chickens and my old school used to keep chickens. They still had their beaks but they didn't peck each other to death. While free range farms aren't exactly chicken paradise, it isn't always as much of a hellhole as you are implying.
It's a livestock business, no one cares about morals really.
Why are there actually people here telling me that humans shouldn't eat meat? Animals eat other animals, and meat is delicious. If you think you can stop the entire human species from eating meat, you're a lunatic, because humans are not going to go back on thousands of years of evolution that developed us with the tools needed to eat meat. (teeth, muscle structure, etc) If the chickens are incapable of suffering, what's the issue? They're not capable of feeling pain, or emotions, so they are nothing more than just tools with a heart and blood. Much better than making them suffer in cramped cages.
People need to get it through their thicks skulls that this isn't some perfect utopian society, and never will be. We'll never have world peace, we'll never have total love and freedom, and life will never be perfect. So instead of saying "THIS IDEA SUCKS BECAUSE IT ISN'T TOTALLY PERFECT" take it as "This idea is what works with the current situation, and is much better than the status quo". It's just idiotic to say that it's more legitimate to say "The world should stop eating meat" than "This idea prevents chickens from suffering".
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I have a friend who owns chickens and my old school used to keep chickens. They still had their beaks but they didn't peck each other to death. While free range farms aren't exactly chicken paradise, it isn't always as much of a hellhole as you are implying.[/QUOTE]
Your school used to keep chickens?
Well there's your problem, I'm talking about industrial production systems, not a few dozen chickens on 'ya ma's farm'.
I used to keep chickens too, but I'm not using my experiences with them to compare to economic systems of poultry farming.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;34741144]it's not a corporate conspiracy but the actual difference in taste between battery and free range is mostly placebo. I can barely taste any difference[/QUOTE]
Probably depends on the location. Here in Sweden it sometimes differs greatly
[QUOTE=Contag;34743309]Your school used to keep chickens?
Well there's your problem, I'm talking about industrial production systems, not a few dozen chickens on 'ya ma's farm'.
I used to keep chickens too, but I'm not using my experiences with them to compare to economic systems of poultry farming.[/QUOTE]
Yeah my school had a bunch of farm animals and shit, it was pretty cool. From what I understand, cannablism only really happens in farms which claim to be free range but really aren't much better than battery farms. I imagine this happens a lot with industrial "free range" farms but i'm sure there are smaller scale farms where it isn't a huge issue if you care enough to look hard enough.
[QUOTE=rilez;34712726]I'd rather this than a life of pain, but it's still really creepy to think about.
I also find it rather strange that Ford calls The Matrix a [B]"lovely gesture"[/B] towards the humans...[/QUOTE]
my exact thoughts...
IT'S NOT REAL
I really don't give a damn one way or the other when it comes to stuff like treating animals nicely before slaughtering them to make delicious foodstuffs, but I really don't ever want to eat or use [b]anything[/b] if the process used to make it can be described as "Matrix-like." Looking at the pictures has made me incredibly uncomfortable, something that isn't easily achieved in regards to meat processing.
Go ahead and eat this stuff if you want, I'd rather eat chickens that were capable of thought and stuffed in a cage for their entire lives.
If the chicken can't feel pain or discomfort, nor the desire to be free. Then there is no issue here to argue.
The only thing here is people ascribing their own values onto the chickens, even though the chicken does not poesses these feelings.
If the chicken can feel pain and it does feel the need to be free, this would be inhuman. If it cannot, then it isn't and you are only seeing the pain you would feel.
In a world that consistantly grows evermore populated, with more and more people to feed, i'll bet we'll be seeing this done with other farm animals as well.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;34712556]How can you even prove something like that?[/QUOTE]
fMRI
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