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[QUOTE=jeagerfrau;44305820]How can I show evidence about something that is subjective, "legitimacy" is subjective. Make a response to the argument or admit that you can't, it's up to you.[/QUOTE] You're stating that the annexations are legitimate as a fact, not as a personal opinion, I'm not making any response until you provide me something that confirms your statement

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;44305816]that's not how politics work lmao[/QUOTE] Hence the "fuck international law" statement. Should we listen to laws that ban abortions, teach creationism, and allow total police authority? No. They're laws, but that doesn't give them moral grounds.

SH got worse it seems, holy shit you guys are creepy

[QUOTE=jeagerfrau;44305813]Except it does[/QUOTE] uh not really, no. laws n shit exist, yknow

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;44305836]You're stating that the annexations are legitimate as a fact, not as a personal opinion, I'm not making any response until you provide me something that confirms your statement[/QUOTE] I mean a logical statement explaining why they're legitimate, I proved that they were legitimate, in order for you to still hold your position and consider yourself a logical and rational individual you must provide a response explaining why they aren't, if you can't and refuse to adopt a new position then you're silly.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44305847]uh not really, no. laws n shit exist, yknow[/QUOTE] but will says is it's ethical enough, laws don't matter [editline]21st March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=jeagerfrau;44305848]I proved that they were legitimate[/QUOTE] except you didn't

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;44305854]but will says is it's ethical enough, laws don't matter [editline]21st March 2014[/editline] except you didn't[/QUOTE] Here you go, you've obviously missed it the first time. "Hitler was elected by the German people to begin a campaign of reacquiring lost territory or land with majority German populations to former Greater Germany. The annexation of Austria was legitimate as the majority of Austrians were in support of this move, Austria was majority German, when he annexed it there was almost completely no resistance. The Sudetenland was a majority German area that was being oppressed by the Czechs, the Czechs implemented marital law and changed the Constitution to ensure the Germans couldn't succeed. The later annexation of the rest of Czechoslovakia was because the remaining state was a security concern, which is an apparently alright justification in the eyes of the US, these types of justifications were all too common in the early 20th century, so it was a legitimate foreign policy act when looked at in the eyes of the era."

Anyone that compares Putin to Hitler is an idiot by my book and their argument becomes invalid.

[QUOTE=jeagerfrau;44305866]Here you go, you've obviously missed it the first time. "Hitler was elected by the German people to begin a campaign of reacquiring lost territory or land with majority German populations to former Greater Germany. The annexation of Austria was legitimate as the majority of Austrians were in support of this move, Austria was majority German, when he annexed it there was almost completely no resistance. The Sudetenland was a majority German area that was being oppressed by the Czechs, the Czechs implemented marital law and changed the Constitution to ensure the Germans couldn't succeed. The later annexation of the rest of Czechoslovakia was because the remaining state was a security concern, which is an apparently alright justification in the eyes of the US, these types of justifications were all too common in the early 20th century, so it was a legitimate foreign policy act when looked at in the eyes of the era."[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Gwoodman;44305812]No no no no no no Don't write about it, show me actual evidence, you know, sources, legitimate ones[/QUOTE] again, your words express what you think, but they don't prove that what you are saying is correct

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;44305879]again, your words express what you think, but they don't prove that what you are saying is correct[/QUOTE] They do though, I present via sound logic why the annexations are legitimate. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Account with 20 posts that hasn't posted in 7 months suddenly arguing for Hitler - Gimmick" - Megafan))[/highlight]

Sound logic according to who.

[QUOTE=Sammyroc;44305913]Sound logic according to who.[/QUOTE] Hitler apparently

[QUOTE=Polyethylene;44305871]Anyone that compares Putin to Hitler is an idiot by my book and their argument becomes invalid.[/QUOTE] as much as i love putin xoxo his response to estonia is looking hitler-esque, we'll see if he actually does something

[QUOTE=Sammyroc;44305913]Sound logic according to who.[/QUOTE] If you don't believe it's sound then you can object to what I said and offer an alternative argument.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;44305924]Hitler apparently[/QUOTE] Alright, stop. He's not saying "Hitler did nothing wrong", He's saying "Hitler acquired countries through means of military power, and no one saw them as ethically wrong because this was a common thing in the 1900s." [editline]OH CANADA[/editline] THE CANADIANS ARE HERE [editline]hitler[/editline] Pretty sure that guy was legitimate but oh well hes banned now

Doesn't this violate international law?

[QUOTE=Polyethylene;44305833]There was a Coup D'etat in Ukraine... Russia had assets in Crimea including nuclear submarines. I think Russia did the right thing in its own interest. The interim govt in Ukraine freaked out and threw a bitch fit to the rest of the EU. Russia had a contract set with the old government in Ukraine regarding it's military bases. In response to the West, Russia allowed Crimea to vote for independence or annexation. Majority obviously chose Russia because of the better economy, higher wages, higher pensions, ethnicity/language similarities. Everyone is being hysterical. I mean, the United States invaded and occupied both Iraq and Afghanistan. Big fucking whoop. Where was Russia's 'shock and awe' during the occupation?[/QUOTE] Iraq was a stupid war that America abysmally botched but are you seriously comparing ousting a dictator that may have had WMDs to invading a country and taking a significant portion of their land because their populace refused to become a puppet state under their corrupt prime minister who has now fled to russia?

Man what is it with Threads about the Ukrainian Crisis attracting people either sucking Russia's dick, or pissing on America?

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;44305979]Man what is it with Threads about the Ukrainian Crisis attracting people either sucking Russia's dick, or pissing on America?[/QUOTE] Trolls/Gimmicks/Shills Either way, hilarious attempts that usually never succeed

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;44305979]Man what is it with Threads about the Ukrainian Crisis attracting people either sucking Russia's dick, or pissing on America?[/QUOTE] Because it also attracts people who do the opposite. Gotta find balance.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;44305979]Man what is it with Threads about the Ukrainian Crisis attracting people either sucking Russia's dick, or pissing on America?[/QUOTE] Well some of them are gimmick accounts posting stupid shit everywhere but Putin had a significant following outside of Russia a while ago, there was even that comic someone made ripping on it :v:

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;44305979]Man what is it with Threads about the Ukrainian Crisis attracting people either sucking Russia's dick, or pissing on America?[/QUOTE] whats up with the threads about ukrainian crisis attracting people sucking americas dick or pissing on russia?

[QUOTE=Stroma;44306037]whats up with the threads about ukrainian crisis attracting people sucking americas dick or pissing on russia?[/QUOTE] are you trying to be as bad as killuah your posts are terrible

[QUOTE=Stroma;44306037]whats up with the threads about ukrainian crisis attracting people sucking americas dick or pissing on russia?[/QUOTE] Alright I'm not really seeing any america dick sucking but the pissing on russia is kinda warranted considering they're, you know, invading a country?

[QUOTE=Elspin;44306060]Alright I'm not really seeing any america dick sucking but the pissing on russia is kinda warranted considering they're, you know, invading a country?[/QUOTE] Well that's the whole reason people like me are here: I don't think it's warranted. I think the people against Crimea becoming a part of Russia are incorrect, at a level that I would consider 'brainwashed'. And sometimes you can't change a brainwashed person's opinion, but sometimes you can, and that makes it all worth it.

[QUOTE=willtheoct;44306092]Well that's the whole reason people like me are here: I don't think it's warranted. I think the people against Crimea becoming a part of Russia are incorrect, at a level that I would consider 'brainwashed'. And sometimes you can't change a brainwashed person's opinion, but sometimes you can, and that makes it all worth it.[/QUOTE] look at you high and mighty. You sound like someone that is looking for selfvalidation, not someone that tries to... unbrainwash????

[QUOTE=willtheoct;44306092]Well that's the whole reason people like me are here: I don't think it's warranted. I think the people against Crimea becoming a part of Russia are incorrect, at a level that I would consider 'brainwashed'. And sometimes you can't change a brainwashed person's opinion, but sometimes you can, and that makes it all worth it.[/QUOTE] the problem with russia invading ukraine because crimea not being part of russia being "unethical" is that it sets a dangerous precedent are we supposed to invade countries that do unethical stuff? but doesnt every country do something unethical everyday, at least to a certain extent? whos to say what warrants an invasion and what doesnt? and how do we know countries arent gonna use that reasoning as an excuse to invade nations when in reality they're doing it for economic purposes? and what if the other country resists, is the risk of war really worth it? assuming you're not trolling (unlikely), surely you can see why that would not be a good idea

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44306162]the problem with russia invading ukraine because crimea not being part of russia being "unethical" is that it sets a dangerous precedent are we supposed to invade countries that do unethical stuff? but doesnt every country do something unethical everyday, at least to a certain extent? whos to say what warrants an invasion and what doesnt? and how do we know countries arent gonna use that reasoning as an excuse to invade nations when in reality they're doing it for economic purposes? and what if the other country resists, is the risk of war really worth it? assuming you're not trolling (unlikely), surely you can see why that would not be a good idea[/QUOTE] Don't you understand?? Your're [I]brainwashed.[/I]

[QUOTE=Polyethylene;44305833]There was a Coup D'etat in Ukraine... Russia had assets in Crimea including nuclear submarines. I think Russia did the right thing in its own interest. The interim govt in Ukraine freaked out and threw a bitch fit to the rest of the EU. Russia had a contract set with the old government in Ukraine regarding it's military bases. In response to the West, Russia allowed Crimea to vote for independence or annexation. Majority obviously chose Russia because of the better economy, higher wages, higher pensions, ethnicity/language similarities. [/QUOTE] Firstly, to call Yanukovych's removal a coup d'etat is quite asinine isn't it... the majority of the Ukrainian parliament, 75% I believe, voted to have him removed, and even then he still fled on his own. If you had actually been informed on the background to this situation, you would have known that.

[QUOTE=willtheoct;44306092]Well that's the whole reason people like me are here: I don't think it's warranted. I think the people against Crimea becoming a part of Russia are incorrect, at a level that I would consider 'brainwashed'. And sometimes you can't change a brainwashed person's opinion, but sometimes you can, and that makes it all worth it.[/QUOTE] Dude we know you're a gimmick just move on. Trying to troll people into flaming you isn't going to work making outrageous claims that we're brainwashed because we think an illegal invasion of a country's territory was wrong. I'm not saying that having the opinion that russsia is in the right necessarily makes you a gimmick (though it's quite clearly wrong by international law) but you're making it way too obvious with the shit eating grin avatar, low post count, and insanity through the roof posts in multiple threads