Disney removes princess's 'healthy gumbo' recipe that caused a stir - Polidicks

[QUOTE=wauterboi;51051301]I'd say that's dumb and move on with my life. People who decide that it is literally an attack on their being are insanely stupid and are sad, sad people. When I read "white house petitions" I immediately thought "oh shut the fuck up". People are proud of their city's food for the same reason people are proud of football teams. They don't have to be the one chucking the ball or preparing the meals, but they can still be proud and still weaponize a god damn pizza so that other people feel bad. There's one thing I cannot stand when I meet what I would call a bad New Yorker or Chicagoan, which is when they immediately start bitching about pizza, or they go out of their way to get a pizza sent from Chicago to their house in Las Vegas because that's the [I]real[/I] pizza. Fuck off. I legitimately think that all this pride is something that is far too hyped up. A lot of people love pizza because they love loving pizza and all of the superiority that comes along with it, not because they actually enjoy the pizza. I think the people who genuinely enjoy pizza aren't exploding about it and don't immediately assume that all pizza is trying to copy their pizza. I get sentimentality, and I get liking pizza, and I even get having pizza sent from your favorite restaurant across the country, but I do not get the people who literally get offended.[/QUOTE] holy shit i hadn't realized how similar the insane deep dish pizza arguments were to this

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51050610]Food forms an important part of peoples' cultural identities. Messing with it is akin to making light of their culture, of course they'd get defensive.[/QUOTE] And I'd argue that it's fucking stupid. Your identity shouldn't be made up of the things you consume, whether it be media or food. This is the problem I have with some Kanye fans - they get offended if people talk mess about their music as if I am directly attacking them, and they'll sometimes get offended if someone says, "So and so is a better rapper". It's the same thing with pizza, and when it's just cute banter, it's not a problem, but people take it farther than that. People take the shit they like far too seriously. I'm a Mexican and I literally do not care about Mexican food. Mexican food is great, but I'm not standing outside Taco Bell with a petition in my hand because they Americanized "my" food. It's a non-problem. I'm cool with people saying, "Uh, that's not gumbo" much like I'm cool with people saying Just Mayo isn't mayo. I'm cool with people saying that the recipe is dumb. I'm legitimately bothered when it goes farther than that though, i.e. "YOU'RE RUINING MY CULTURE".

Its not a huge deal, but if you change the most important parts of the recipe and identity of a food dish and then call it the same thing it just doesn't make any sense. And from what I understand that's exactly what they did. It can't really be accurately called gumbo if it's not gumbo. It's quite simple.

[QUOTE=bitches;51051328]holy shit i hadn't realized how similar the insane deep dish pizza arguments were to this[/QUOTE] Yeah. Like I said previously, there's a spectrum. This stuff can be cute banter like football teams can be cute banter. But I've met people that legitimately get shitty and salty over football and people need to chill out. Those people are [I]fucking insane[/I].

My uncle literally served matzo balls (a traditional jewish dish) with fucking bacon at his restaurant and no one gave a shit. Why the fuck do people care about this so much? Its so horribly arbitrary [editline]14th September 2016[/editline] Should we get mad at Americanized Chinese food too? Or what about Americanized Japanese food? Should we get mad about that as well?

[QUOTE=Kyle902;51051342]My uncle literally served matzo balls (a traditional jewish dish) with fucking bacon at his restaurant and no one gave a shit. Why the fuck do people care about this so much? Its so horribly arbitrary [editline]14th September 2016[/editline] Should we get mad at Americanized Chinese food too? Or what about Americanized Japanese food? Should we get mad about that as well?[/QUOTE] I guess the difference is it's already in America, therefore it's more historically and socially relevant. Not very many people think of the Chinese, so Panda Express is fine in our eyes. It's the same thing with Chinatowns, really - for lots of people, that stuff is a great introduction into Chinese culture. For the Chinese though, they often look at Chinatown and think "what the fuck am I looking at"? This dish is like the Chinatown of New Orleans food, except whereas Chinatown can be seen as offensive, I can't see myself offended by food. You'd have to try to go the extra mile to be offensive with food you serve me, by like writing "spic" in my spaghetti or some shit. If the food tastes good, that's all I care about, and that's all anyone should care about. As long as people aren't claiming to be authentic, it shouldn't be a problem, and even if they are making that claim, people should just say "that's dumb" and move on.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;51051342]My uncle literally served matzo balls (a traditional jewish dish) with fucking bacon at his restaurant and no one gave a shit. Why the fuck do people care about this so much? Its so horribly arbitrary [editline]14th September 2016[/editline] Should we get mad at Americanized Chinese food too? Or what about Americanized Japanese food? Should we get mad about that as well?[/QUOTE] I think there's a difference between me getting mad at some place for getting another culture's food wrong and people from that culture getting mad for their food being served wrong. Like I don't care but I think if some master sushi chef wants to be angry at some american place for making sushi incorrectly they have every right to be. Different things matter to different people. If food is important to someone, who am I to judge?

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51051378]I think there's a difference between me getting mad at some place for getting another culture's food wrong and people from that culture getting mad for their food being served wrong. Like I don't care but I think if some master sushi chef wants to be angry at some american place for making sushi incorrectly they have every right to be. Different things matter to different people. If food is important to someone, who am I to judge?[/QUOTE] Making such a big deal that you're actively calling for it to be banned is p. overkill. Its not like it actively harms anything.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;51051342]My uncle literally served matzo balls (a traditional jewish dish) with fucking bacon at his restaurant and no one gave a shit. Why the fuck do people care about this so much? Its so horribly arbitrary [editline]14th September 2016[/editline] Should we get mad at Americanized Chinese food too? Or what about Americanized Japanese food? Should we get mad about that as well?[/QUOTE] The only people that really seems to care about this are cajuns. And cajuns are crazy proud of their culture and cuisine so of course they're gonna get a little anal. [editline]14th September 2016[/editline] In any situation though there's always going to be someone who overreacts to something, Disney should've just left it up there a little longer to wait for people to just calm down or give up.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51051378]I think there's a difference between me getting mad at some place for getting another culture's food wrong and people from that culture getting mad for their food being served wrong. Like I don't care but I think if some master sushi chef wants to be angry at some american place for making sushi incorrectly they have every right to be. Different things matter to different people. If food is important to someone, who am I to judge?[/QUOTE] If I had a restaurant and someone started yelling at me for getting Mexican food all wrong, I'd get pissed because a.) I'm not making food for them specifically, and they have a false sense of importance b.) They are not the representative of their culture c.) Not everyone is trying to be authentic and people like to experiment d.) Fuck them it's my restaurant They can leave if they're going to be a baby about it. No one is entitled to anything.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;51051331]And I'd argue that it's fucking stupid. Your identity shouldn't be made up of the things you consume, whether it be media or food. This is the problem I have with some Kanye fans - they get offended if people talk mess about their music as if I am directly attacking them, and they'll sometimes get offended if someone says, "So and so is a better rapper". It's the same thing with pizza, and when it's just cute banter, it's not a problem, but people take it farther than that. People take the shit they like far too seriously. I'm a Mexican and I literally do not care about Mexican food. Mexican food is great, but I'm not standing outside Taco Bell with a petition in my hand because they Americanized "my" food. It's a non-problem. I'm cool with people saying, "Uh, that's not gumbo" much like I'm cool with people saying Just Mayo isn't mayo. I'm cool with people saying that the recipe is dumb. I'm legitimately bothered when it goes farther than that though, i.e. "YOU'RE RUINING MY CULTURE".[/QUOTE] I'm sorry you seem to view food as mere sustenance but for many people on earth the kind of food they enjoy is very much a part of their personality and identity. Food [i]is[/i] culture, just like art and music are culture. When other people try to copy that food and fail terribly it's insulting to the culture. This is usually made worse by the fact that it often happens in the context of white Americans trying to look exotic and be different ("oh look at all the diverse ethnic food I enjoy! I'm so liberal!"). I'm Chinese, Singaporean to be exact. I don't go ranting about how Western Chinese food barely resembles Chinese food in Asia, but it certainly irks me that for much of the Western world their only exposure to Chinese food is oily, salty garbage without the depth of flavours prevalent in actual Chinese cuisine. A popular dish in Western Chinese cuisine is Singapore noodles. If you went to any restaurant or food vendor in Singapore and tried to order that you'd get stared at funny, because no such thing exists here. It's likely origin lies in Hong Kong, from which it was exported to the West. I won't go around protesting restaurants that serve this dish under this name, but if the topic somehow steers that way I [i]will[/i] mention this, because it's a misrepresentation of Singapore's food culture. Your analogy to music is a terrible one, because you're not simply going "prawn vindaloo is better than gumbo". If you told me that you prefer burgers to Chinese stir-fry, I'm fine with that. We all have different tastes. The problem is you're preparing some mangled rendition of a dish with a long and storied history that is nothing like the original, yet labelling it as such. It's insulting to the dish, and it's also insulting to those who treat the dish as part of their culture and heritage. Just because you don't care about food doesn't make it stupid for others to do so.

The analogy to music was specifically in regards to the fighting over pizza. And the point I'm making is people don't deserve anything for being a part of a culture. You aren't owed anything because you know "authentic Gumbo". You are allowed to have an opinion, but there's a limit before it becomes what I would call stupid. Lots of people get offended outright as if everything is being held to the same bar - everything is competing with New York Pizza. Everything is trying to be New York Pizza. [I]That[/I] is offensive. I've traditionally made tamales every year for the holidays with my family. If someone decided to say they're going to make health tamales that don't use corn (since corn is often high in calories), and instead use specially prepared flour and a reusable mesh, I would think it's silly to say, "NOT AUTHENTIC ENOUGH. NOT MY CULTURE. AAA." Right off the bat, when I see "healthy X", I think that liberties are going to be taken to make it better for you as opposed to authentic. Once "healthy" is put in there, authenticity goes out the door because it's not the priority.

Who thinks gumbo requires roux and it isn't just one of the dozens of thickeners you can use? Seriously someone point out to me the official recipe. In fact despite it being the official dish of Louisana there is no recipe for it. You know why? Because gumbo is defined as a process not by ingredients. You can seperate stew, chili, gumbo, jambalaya etc because of the cooking methods not because there has to be specific ingredients.

[QUOTE=BoopieDoopie2;51051922]Who thinks gumbo requires roux and it isn't just one of the dozens of thickeners you can use? Seriously someone point out to me the official recipe. In fact despite it being the official dish of Louisana there is no recipe for it. You know why? Because gumbo is defined as a process not by ingredients. You can seperate stew, chili, gumbo, jambalaya etc because of the cooking methods not because there has to be specific ingredients.[/QUOTE] There are only 3 thickeners you can use in a gumbo: Roux, Okra, or File. All gumbos are stews, but not all stews are gumbos. A gumbo is a specific type of stew with a specific process and a few specific ingredients. People will add their own small variations, or secret ingredients here and there, but the base is going to be either a roux, okra, or file one, and the base is what all of the flavor is based on. An onion gravy (cooking down onions, bell peppers, etc. in oil) is never the base in a gumbo, which is what this video uses. And this is not to mention they leave out one of the main ingredients in the cajun cooking holy trinity: celery. Nearly all cajun cooking, including the gumbo, uses the holy trinity of onions, bell peppers, and celery.

I think the "argh making up controversy" guys are the people that need to chill here. This just looks like fun to me, like a jab joke infused with cultural pride. It's like here in Canada where you'll call blasphemy on someone for making a poutine with shredded mozzarella cheese. Of course it doesn't really make you so angry that you think the person is literally a heretic, but it's just fun to sell the narrative that your culture takes pride in the things that give it character.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51051987]There are only 3 thickeners you can use in a gumbo: Roux, Okra, or File. .[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Gumbo zherbes When Catholics were expected to abstain from eating meat during Lent, a meatless variety of gumbo, known as gumbo z'herbes (literally "gumbo with herbs"), was often served. This variety combined a large number of greens[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter how you thicken it, as long as you follow a general process you don't need specific ingredients to call it gumbo.