• Don't Ask Don't Tell will be repealed on September 20
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[QUOTE=redBadger;31289657]"Hey I'm gay." "Okay." As long as they don't go on about how they're gay every day of the week, I'm fine. Also, off-topic sidenote: I still don't understand why non-u.s posters post u.s news.[/QUOTE] The way it usually goes is like this Guy 1: YEAH MAN I WAS FUCKING BITCHES ALL WEEKEND, I SHOVED MY COCK IN THIS ONE CHICK AND IT WAS AWESOME MAN BOOBS ARE SO GREAT, So what did you do guy 2? Guy 2: Well me and my boyfrie- Guy 1: STOP FLAUNTING YOUR FAGGOTRY IN MY FACE CHRISTS SAKE FUCKING HELL STOP IT YOU QUEER The only gays I have a problem with personally are the ones that purposely speak with a lisp and obviously try to act incredibly flamboyant, but even then I tend to just ignore them and not give a fuck because it's their life.
[QUOTE=Medevilae;31296746]Why is it imperative that your coworkers on the battlefield know you're gay, why does that information need to be shared?[/QUOTE] I'm assuming you don't know anything about DADT.
[QUOTE=Medevilae;31296790]DADT = Barring [U]openly[/U] gay/bisexual individuals from serving. Sexual orientation holds no pertinence to military service. The methodology is flawed, but the premise should remain in place, but under a more accurate "don't talk about sexual orientation kthx"[/QUOTE] It should ban openly STRAIGHT people then too, shouldn't it? By your logic, the military must be asexual, or at least not talking of sexuality, now, being people, that's not happening, so why not just do the reasonable thing and accept peoples sexuality?
[QUOTE=Medevilae;31296871]Yes! Yes it should. Keyword, openly. However since I'm talking under DADT, DADT worked in that you just did not discuss your sexual preference, and when asked you say your straight. Going back to what I said though, I'm agreeing DADT was flawed in the very way you put forth, but something similar should be in place, that instead of barring being openly homosexual, it barrs you from being open about your sexuality. Also I'm just trying to provide a converse for discussion's sake, but I do think the whole premise of these policies is a bit silly considering, like I said, sexual orientation holds no relation to military service.[/QUOTE] Then why are you saying that there should be similar legislation to prevent conversation about any sexuality if you find these policies to be silly, and irrelevant?
[QUOTE=Medevilae;31296953]Edit makes a bit more sense, but I think sexuality and or sexual orientation should not be something discussed in the workplace.[/QUOTE] I think it shouldn't matter because it's not a big deal. If you find out some-one is straight, or gay, it changes absolutely nothing, so why should it be taboo to know?
[QUOTE=Medevilae;31296871]I do think the whole premise of these policies is a bit silly considering, like I said, sexual orientation holds no relation to military service. Sexuality is something that should not be discussed, but should not prevent someone from enlisting. Similar to a normal, formal job.[/QUOTE] Being in the military isn't just going from battlefield to battlefield, they live with these people 24/7. While it has no bearing on their military career, sexuality is part of their life and if they can't share that with their closest friends for fear of being asked to leave then that's very backwards.
What the hell I was talking about the reality of the situation Not what should be
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;31296265]The fact of the matter is that the majority of the people in the U.S. are straight, so it will usually be weird and disgusting to discuss how hot other men's asses are in public.[/QUOTE]I was under the impression that one of the founding principles of the USA was ensuring that "tyranny of the majority" type situations didn't happen.
[QUOTE=Nerts;31297204]I was under the impression that one of the founding principles of the USA was ensuring that "tyranny of the majority" type situations didn't happen.[/QUOTE] ahahaha as if the US would ever try and uphold ideals that don't work out for the rich white man.
I don't understand why almost the whole first page is everyone talking about gays in America, not the military. As for the military it's really not going to change things but anyone who is gay should be somewhat prepared for gay jokes due to the many different types of people who make fun of many different things. If you get butthurt easy, no pun intended, then the military isn't for you.
[QUOTE=Nerts;31290547]I hate this double standard, straight guys can talk about fucking women and boobs all they want, but if a guy starts talking the same way about other guys he's suddenly "flaunting it".[/QUOTE] because buttsex is immoral and wrong
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;31296265]The fact of the matter is that the majority of the people in the U.S. are straight, so it will usually be weird and disgusting to discuss how hot other men's asses are in public.[/QUOTE] I'm straight and in the US. I don't really give a fuck. I've talked to female friends about the guys they found cute or hot, why would it be any different with a gay male friend? It's only weird and uncomfortable if you're insecure about your own sexuality.
I remember an episode of that ABC show "What would you do?" where there were two men pretending to be gay soldiers at a restaurant. Because they were holding hands, some crazy old man was rambling on about how they were disrespecting the uniform. That made me sad. [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-Dawkins102.gif[/img]
you know if we were just to hang all gays we wouldn't have any gays left and we wouldn't be having to repeal this thing [editline]24th July 2011[/editline] everyone wins [highlight](User was banned for this post ("troll" - Lithifold))[/highlight] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Alt" - Orkel))[/highlight]
unfortunately I cannot reach the dumb button for your post since using my pda. So... you are dumb.
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;31298100]unfortunately I cannot reach the dumb button for your post since using my pda. So... you are dumb.[/QUOTE] Look closely at his avatar then choose to just ignore him.
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[QUOTE=Medevilae;31296953]Edit makes a bit more sense, but I think sexuality and or sexual orientation should not be something discussed in the workplace.[/QUOTE] I think, as adults, we should be able to understand sexuality is part of ourselves in every way, there shouldn't be overt displays of a sexual nature, but sexual conversation and discussion is going to happen. Act like an adult and face it head on in my opinion.
Gays? In [b]MY[/b] US Military? *Puts on tooth cap to give appearance of having a unitooth and begins to speak in a deep, dumb, and conservative voice* [b][i]Eeets an ooouuutraaageee.[/i][/b] These gays are [b]INSIDIOUS[/b] disease carriers. They are an [b]OUTRAGE[/b] against [b]HUMANITY[/b] and should be banned from the United States [b][i]OF AMERICA[/i][/b]
[QUOTE=Miskav;31297217]ahahaha as if the US would ever try and uphold ideals that don't work out for the rich white man.[/QUOTE] You sound like a butthurt minority. Also I agree with Don't Ask Don't Tell, by being openly gay you're just making a big deal out of it. [editline]24th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=certified;31298620]Gays? In [b]MY[/b] US Military? *Puts on tooth cap to give appearance of having a unitooth and begins to speak in a deep, dumb, and conservative voice* [b][i]Eeets an ooouuutraaageee.[/i][/b] These gays are [b]INSIDIOUS[/b] disease carriers. They are an [b]OUTRAGE[/b] against [b]HUMANITY[/b] and should be banned from the United States [b][i]OF AMERICA[/i][/b][/QUOTE] Oh no! Someone doesn't agree with you! Grow the fuck up.
[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;31299164]You sound like a butthurt minority. Also I agree with Don't Ask Don't Tell, by being openly gay you're just making a big deal out of it.[/QUOTE] Worth being dismissed from the military? No. It's uncalled for if you discuss sex while in the middle of combat mission, gay or straight, but it's not worth anything more than a mild reprimanding.
[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;31299164]Also I agree with Don't Ask Don't Tell, by being openly gay you're just making a big deal out of it.[/QUOTE] So does that mean that straight people constantly making their sexual preferences and conquests known are making a big deal out of it too? Cause that kinda happens quite often.
[QUOTE=makingthatmaker;31298012]you know if we were just to hang all gays we wouldn't have any gays left and we wouldn't be having to repeal this thing [editline]24th July 2011[/editline] everyone wins [highlight](User was banned for this post ("troll" - Lithifold))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Executing everyone who you think causes a problem, even if they don't, is not the way to solve problems, you stinking Nazi troll.
[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;31299164]You sound like a butthurt minority. Also I agree with Don't Ask Don't Tell, by being openly gay you're just making a big deal out of it. [editline]24th July 2011[/editline] Oh no! Someone doesn't agree with you! Grow the fuck up.[/QUOTE] By openly being a retard you're making a big deal out of it. If you truly mean what you said, then you are no longer allowed to talk about any attraction to women/their body parts, because you're just making a big deal out of your heterosexuality. If you don't agree with that you're a bigoted little shit and should lose your right to voice your goddamn opinion
[QUOTE=Jimpy;31296525]Because the minority should sure as hell care about what the majority thinks, yet not the other way around, right!? No. You do not deserve special privileges because you are the majority. The only privilege the majority should have is being the majority.[/QUOTE] then the only privilege the minority should get is being the minority [editline]24th July 2011[/editline] but this is pretty good
It seems like people don't understand that the deeper intent of this is probably to prevent people from avoiding the draft by claiming that they're gay when the draft comes. Historically, decreasing economic growth usually follows by a war draft, particularly in the US in order to get those GDP numbers going. 1860s market crash/recession -> Civil War draft 1913 market panic/recession -> war draft for WW1 1929 through 38, you can count that as one long recession, by the living standards, as one economic decline -> WW2 draft 53 recession -> eventually draft for Vietnam war later on which, thankfully a lot of people protested, if it weren't for these guys we would have still have drafts to multiple Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan wars. But with the economic conditions heading the way they are, a draft can be easily instituted in the US and then people won't be able to use the gay excuse.
drafts are a violation of human rights
[QUOTE=Bletotum;31306024]drafts are a violation of human rights[/QUOTE] To clarify; Art.2: Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as (…) sex (…) • Art.3: Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person. • Art.4: No one shall be held in slavery or servitude (…) • Art.20: (…) No one may be compelled to belong to an association. • Art.23: Everyone has the right (…) to free choice of employment (…)
[QUOTE=Miskav;31306067]To clarify; Art.2: Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as (…) sex (…) • Art.3: Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person. • Art.4: No one shall be held in slavery or servitude (…) • Art.20: (…) No one may be compelled to belong to an association. • Art.23: Everyone has the right (…) to free choice of employment (…)[/QUOTE] I wish this was true, but that declaration has no legal authority in a US court. It has been ruled by court precedent that the UN declaration of human rights basically doesn't apply, and can only serve as supporting evidence and not as an actually legal statute of legal authority in the US. The legal authorities in the US are, at the highest level the US constitution & supreme court set rulings. And those guys in the court have declared that the un declaration has no legal power in the US. It's pretty sad
[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;31299164]You sound like a butthurt minority. Also I agree with Don't Ask Don't Tell, by being openly gay you're just making a big deal out of it. [editline]24th July 2011[/editline] Oh no! Someone doesn't agree with you! Grow the fuck up.[/QUOTE]Because calling someone a butthurt minority and saying that being openly gay is making a big deal out of it is just the pinnacle of maturity. Stop posting.
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