Secret Service blocks #BlackLivesMatter protestors at Clinton event
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;48440385]This is a dumb conspiracy theory because the way Sanders has handled the protestors so far has made him seem like the most genuine candidate by a long shot. The protesters have picked the absolute worst ways to engage with him and he has still demonstrated that he's willing to listen, something that other politicians won't do even when their constituents engage through the "correct" channels.[/QUOTE]
And just watch how being a person humble and smart enough to listen to the people you're supposed to represent and are elected to represent is fucking weak.
People like Antdawg clearly think it's weak for politicians to listen to their constituents, unless they're listening to him or rich people.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;48439953]It wasn't smart. He showed weakness. As another person said in another thread, if those protestors can stomp all over him, what would stop someone like Putin from doing the same?[/QUOTE]
His campaign would effectively be over if he stopped them. One key element of his campaign is against overzealous law enforcement, part of that being their treatment of protesters and black people. How bad would it look for him to have police officers removing black protesters? That alone goes against 3 major principals he holds.
Why are they obsessed with democrats? If they're trying to pull them to the left, what is the point of fucking with bernie?
[editline]11th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48440687]His campaign would effectively be over if he stopped them. One key element of his campaign is against overzealous law enforcement, part of that being their treatment of protesters and black people. How bad would it look for him to have police officers removing black protesters? That alone goes against 3 major principals he holds.[/QUOTE]
So he becomes a living incarnation of the strawman of 'leftists will just let blacks do what they want or they'll cry racism' :/
[QUOTE=Conscript;48440748]Why are they obsessed with democrats? If they're trying to pull them to the left, what is the point of fucking with bernie?
[editline]11th August 2015[/editline]
So he becomes a living incarnation of the strawman of 'leftists will just let blacks do what they want or they'll cry racism' :/[/QUOTE]
no, he agrees with them. he's not scared they'll cry racism - his entire platform of racial justice details what he would do as president, which is pretty much everything that BLM has fought for
[QUOTE=Conscript;48440748]So he becomes a living incarnation of the strawman of 'leftists will just let blacks do what they want or they'll cry racism' :/[/QUOTE]
Well what's he supposed to do? If he has police remove black protesters from his rally, he's essentially broken several major promises before most candidates even began campaigning.
Meanwhile Hillary's getting brownie points from BLM because she's a woman and she paid lip service to them with some empty words, rather than promising reform which they rejected.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48440771]no, he agrees with them. he's not scared they'll cry racism - his entire platform of racial justice details what he would do as president, which is pretty much everything that BLM has fought for[/QUOTE]
But they insist on treating him like an enemy, presumably because he's old and white, even though what he represents is basically BLM grounded in real historical thought, the left, not directionless racial activism without connections to any sort of tradition or theory. Unlike previous black activists.
So they disrupt his events, and he does nothing because otherwise he appears like the police and state abusing blacks. Perfect fodder for conservatives to describe his future government and how it'd respond to the race issue. Its fucking stupid and completely what I would expect from some directionless, politically uneducated activists: to sabotage themselves.
[QUOTE=Conscript;48440824]But they insist on treating him like an enemy, presumably because he's old and white, even though what he represents is basically BLM grounded in real historical thought, not directionless activism.
So they disrupt his events, and he does nothing because otherwise he appears like the police and state abusing blacks. Perfect fodder for conservatives to describe his future government and how it'd respond to the race issue. Its fucking stupid and completely what I would expect from some directionless, politically uneducated activists: to sabotage themselves.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/08/10/3689728/after-repeated-protests-bernie-sanders-releases-racial-justice-platform/[/url]
I dunno what you're talking about. BLM is supportive of Sanders.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;48440825]It never fails to amuse me how nearly every political thread turns into a Bernie Sanders circle jerk. I'm not naive enough to call Facepunch a hive mind but god damn there are a lot of you.[/QUOTE]
A lot of people like him because, surprise: Not every person in America is right wing, despite politics being dominated by 2 right wing parties for decades. There are some left wing people in this country and they're happy to see a left wing candidate gaining traction for once in their lives.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48440858][url]http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/08/10/3689728/after-repeated-protests-bernie-sanders-releases-racial-justice-platform/[/url]
I dunno what you're talking about. BLM is supportive of Sanders.[/QUOTE]
Meh, that didn't give me much confidence. It's 'some prominent voices', being a post-modern/post-left directionless movement without any sort of real leadership or organs of power, and it only came after they apparently got their way. I didn't even think they needed to, considering Sanders is, well, Sanders. But apparently they need to co-opt the most left wing candidate, I guess because they feel they can.
This new generation of black activists are pathetic, a true shadow of what was decades ago. Ironically, they're basically trying to cannibalize that in the form of co-opting Sanders. They aren't trying to be rooted in any theory or the left, like Occupy they're just a post-modern spontaneous movement only grounded in their directionless emotional outbursts and, being fueled by the spirit of a spontaneous movement, think they need to bring down those that still have any sense of politics to their level if only because they're white men in the establishment.
Like I said, fucking pathetic. They just sabotage everyone involved, Sanders and BLM.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;48440825]It never fails to amuse me how nearly every political thread turns into a Bernie Sanders circle jerk. I'm not naive enough to call Facepunch a hive mind but god damn there are a lot of you.
If you genuinely believe Sanders can win the democratic nomination you're insane, and even if I'm wrong, the general public isn't going to vote for a socialist. Lots of traditional democrats don't even like him.[/QUOTE]
"Hahahahah you like a political candidate that I don't hahahahah circle jerking typical facepunch cept for me"
People support the guy because he's a genuine politician that they can get behind with some pretty decent policies. Go ahead, make a joke out of people who want to live in a better country.
[QUOTE=Conscript;48441016]Meh, that didn't give me much confidence. It's 'some prominent voices', being a post-modern directionless movement without any sort of real leadership or organs of power, and it only came after they apparently got their way. I didn't even think such was necessary, considering Sanders is, well, Sanders. But apparently they need to co-opt the most left wing candidate, I guess because they feel they can.
This new generation of black activists are pathetic, a true shadow of what was decades ago. Ironically, they're basically trying to cannibalize that in the form of co-opting Sanders. They aren't trying to be rooted in any theory or the left, like Occupy they're just a post-modern spontaneous movement only grounded in their directionless emotional outbursts and, being fueled by the spirit of a spontaneous movement, think they need to bring down those that still have any sense of politics to their level presumably for being white men in the establishment.
Like I said, fucking pathetic. They just sabotage everyone involved, Sanders and BLM.[/QUOTE]
I point out a group of people in BLM praising Sanders for his actions. You ignore them and say "they don't inspire confidence."
Why don't you just ignore the idiots instead? Why ignore the actual activists who are well-known and respected?
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48441038]I point out a group of people in BLM praising Sanders for his actions. You ignore them and say "they don't inspire confidence."
Why don't you just ignore the idiots instead? Why ignore the actual activists who are well-known and respected?[/QUOTE]
Because you can't ignore them. The whole thing is just a spontaneous movement without any control or direction, and it will inevitably fizzle out and do nothing. However, unlike Occupy, it looks as if it has the real chance to just sabotage itself and those around it because people behind it are stupid and just do what they feel is right. It's brainless, it's undirected, and just dumb.
Definitely what I would expect out of a post-modern movement.
I really don't hope Hillary will win..
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48440858][url]http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/08/10/3689728/after-repeated-protests-bernie-sanders-releases-racial-justice-platform/[/url]
I dunno what you're talking about. BLM is supportive of Sanders.[/QUOTE]
Actually, they changed their statement to
'We don't support any political party; we fight the system'.
Which is gonna get fuck all done.
[QUOTE=Conscript;48441104]Because you can't ignore them. The whole thing is just a spontaneous movement without any control or direction, and it will inevitably fizzle out and do nothing. However, unlike Occupy, it looks as if it has the real chance to just sabotage itself and those around it because people behind it are stupid and just do what they feel is right. It's brainless, it's undirected, and just dumb.
Definitely what I would expect out of a post-modern movement.[/QUOTE]
It's already done a lot, though. It's pushed the issue of police brutality to the national level during a presidential election season. It's led to numerous bills to fight police brutality being drafted and introduced to Congress. It's led to a huge increase in police cameras, it's led to a change in public opinion on a number of issues. Suburban white moms didn't previously think about how police should have independent oversight. Now there are plenty that agree that all police departments need civilian review boards.
Expecting a movement barely more than two years old to have conquered police brutality somehow is absurd. They've raised awareness on the issues of police brutality and they've brought it to a political level where it is actually seriously discussed by politicians.
It's an incredibly young movement that's actually achieved quite a bit on a subtler level. Saying it'll just "fizzle out" is absurd.
[QUOTE=woolio1;48440508]Yeah... He's pretty red.[/QUOTE]
Yeah because he's a damned dirty socialist
I didn't knew the Secret Service took part in these matters.
[QUOTE=FUCK MY ASS;48441297]I didn't knew the Secret Service took part in these matters.[/QUOTE]
It's because the immediate family of any past presidents has Secret Service protection. I think that using the Secret Service to turn away nonviolent protesters is a bit absurd, though.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;48440588]wtf, why is the watermark an interracial porn site?[/QUOTE]
It's cuckold shitposting lol
[QUOTE=Swilly;48439830]People on Tumblr have been giving Bernie Sanders shit for not 'saying the right things' regarding BLM.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/[/url]
He put this up recently in response. It's all so spot on, I'd be surprised if this didn't satisfy them.
[QUOTE=Baboo00;48441501][url]https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/[/url]
He put this up recently in response. It's all so spot on, I'd be surprised if this didn't satisfy them.[/QUOTE]
I'd be surprised if it did.
He's also attracted crowds of over 25,000 two nights in a row in separate cities, which is damn impressive. But then again one of them [I]was[/I] Portland, the most liberal city ever conceived
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;48440825]It never fails to amuse me how nearly every political thread turns into a Bernie Sanders circle jerk. I'm not naive enough to call Facepunch a hive mind but god damn there are a lot of you.
If you genuinely believe Sanders can win the democratic nomination you're insane, and even if I'm wrong, the general public isn't going to vote for a socialist. Lots of traditional democrats don't even like him.[/QUOTE]
It's just that for the first time in a long time there's a politician worth being enthusiastic about.
[QUOTE=Explosions;48439988]This is one of the crappiest analogies ever.[/QUOTE]
theres a difference between a social justice protestor and a foreign power
not good for pr to stop a protestor, thats why sandy did it
[QUOTE=Antdawg;48440020]It's the truth. Did you see how red his face was? He was absolutely humiliated. Defeated. Would you trust someone like that to be the highest representative of a world superpower?[/QUOTE]
Yeah! We need a REAL candidate who has REAL STRENGTH to stand up for REAL ISSUES and be STRONG so he can restore 'murika back to the good ol' days of strength and power! We need a candidate like Donald Trump who will build a wall along the border with the Black Marsh to keep those filthy Argonians from taking our jobs so we can make america great again! We need a strong leader like Trump who is unafraid of throwing punches to prove we aren't weak!
[QUOTE=Baboo00;48441501]I'd be surprised if this didn't satisfy them.[/QUOTE]
he's still white tho
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;48441693]He's also attracted crowds of over 25,000 two nights in a row in separate cities, which is damn impressive. But then again one of them [I]was[/I] Portland, the most liberal city ever conceived[/QUOTE]
Will that actually translation into actual support during primaries? It's easy to go to a rally and get a small emotional high for supporting "the good guy" during a rally, but actually registering and voting when the time comes is a whole 'nother beast because it takes some effort to do and remember.
[QUOTE=Ziron;48442663]Will that actually translation into actual support during primaries? It's easy to go to a rally and get a small emotional high for supporting "the good guy" during a rally, but actually registering and voting when the time comes is a whole 'nother beast because it takes some effort to do and remember.[/QUOTE]
Is it really that difficult in the US? I messed up the paperwork in a local election and just took an Oath when I got there.
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;48442627]he's still white tho[/QUOTE]
And a male. He's already lost the ultra-progressives to Hilary.
[QUOTE=Ziron;48442663]Will that actually translation into actual support during primaries? It's easy to go to a rally and get a small emotional high for supporting "the good guy" during a rally, but actually registering and voting when the time comes is a whole 'nother beast because it takes some effort to do and remember.[/QUOTE]
You're treating attending a rally like it's sharing a facebook post. Rallies take about the same amount of effort as voting, you have to get up and go to an event, and at a rally you have to stay for a while and maybe sit down and listen to this candidate talk about his platform. Willfully exposing yourself to the candidate for such a direct and extended time makes these people very likely to vote in the primaries, and the statistic is impressive enough for the general media to see him less as a fringe candidate and actually cover his campaign more.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;48442793]Yeah except there's something to be said about socialism and it's that it looks great on paper and in a snazzy speech but it fails in practice and a lot of Sanders policies could easily go that way, and it's simply overlooked by leftists unwilling to accept that possibility because of things like "HEY FREE COLLEGE YEA."[/QUOTE]
He is trying to bring the country in-line with other modern societies that have been able to implement these policies that he is trying to push forward.
Unlike most candidates he actually has proposed plans with thought out solutions.
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