Entire U.S. Senate to go to White House for North Korea briefing - Polidicks

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52144778]How unprecedented is this? When has this happened last?[/QUOTE] Just before George W. Bush Jr decided to go into Iraq.

[QUOTE=Claxx;52148060]This is a little bit different, we're fighting a significantly weaker military not a ragtag massive tribal group that'll fight till the last man spread across a massive fucking dessert[/QUOTE] You think the north Korean army won't fight until the last man, hah.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52148186]You think the north Korean army won't fight until the last man, hah.[/QUOTE] I'm sure we'd have plenty of defectors. They are conscripts brought into this, not jihadis who live off of the ideological fervor

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52148186]You think the north Korean army won't fight until the last man, hah.[/QUOTE] I'm really doubtful they will, even if they did, so did Germany in ww2

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52148186]You think the north Korean army won't fight until the last man, hah.[/QUOTE] The US could just airdrop fucktons of food on the NK army with notes saying 'Your Dear Leader eats more in one week than you do in a year' and a lot of them would defect just to quit starving to death

[QUOTE=DudesonFan;52148243] and a lot of them would defect just to quit starving to death[/QUOTE] If we manage to take out their nuclear capacity, we could easily just besiege them. Use air strikes to take out any advancing troops, but otherwise just surround them and starve them out. Yes, the civilian loss of life would be enormous, but the army would eventually feel the pain themselves, and have no choice but to turn on their commanders or flee

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52148186]You think the north Korean army won't fight until the last man, hah.[/QUOTE] The Norks have like minimal combat experience. Their troops virtually starve and are more zeal than actual proper military training. I have little doubt they'll put up much of a strategic fight and will straight lose versus anything the United States could throw at them. Sure, they may attempt to fanatically fight to the last man but so what? There's a difference between being a fanatically, strong and modern military and an outdated, starving military who happens to have nothing but zeal on their side. Wars take more than just zeal. On another note, I have no reason to believe we'll go to war any time soon. We've been through worse case scenarios before that were more likely to lead to war and nothing happened. Hell, people here are quick to cry "war!" At the drop of a dime. Just last month everyone thought Syria was some how going to erupt into WWIII, lol.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52148187]I'm sure we'd have plenty of defectors. They are conscripts brought into this, not jihadis who live off of the ideological fervor[/QUOTE] Never underestimate the power of a hermit state's propaganda machine.

Honestly for all we know he could just be adding new sanctions, or maybe he's announcing he got China to stop supporting NK.

[QUOTE=DudesonFan;52148243]The US could just airdrop fucktons of food on the NK army with notes saying 'Your Dear Leader eats more in one week than you do in a year' and a lot of them would defect just to quit starving to death[/QUOTE] you're going to be surprised to see the NK military not starving nearly as much as you seem to think they are.

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;52147100]North korea is more conventional than the vietcong and Vietnamese army. Its the guerrilla fighters they gotta worry about[/QUOTE] You need two things for a guerrilla war: Supplies, and a loyal base to pull new fighters from. When you don't have access to food or weapons because every country on your border hates your cause, and your base would rather give in and get food then fight a guerrilla war that ends with them all starving, they'd just surrender and take the food.

the senate meeting in the white house, the naval build up, NK's increasing missile tests over the past couple years, the writing's on the walls

[QUOTE=Luni;52148052]That's what we said 15 years ago about Afghanistan and Iraq[/QUOTE] And we said the same thing it Vietnam, and we were right the whole time. We fucking obliterated those countries. The US wins tactically every time, but since we're still failing to learn how to win over the hearts and minds of the people who's families were bombing, we'd walk away from NK with our tails between our legs again and leaving the shit for someone else to fix

[QUOTE=CreeplyTuna;52151567]And we said the same thing it Vietnam, and we were right the whole time. We fucking obliterated those countries. The US wins tactically every time, but since we're still failing to learn how to win over the hearts and minds of the people who's families were bombing, we'd walk away from NK with our tails between our legs again and leaving the shit for someone else to fix[/QUOTE] I think people forget that the country of South Korea exists. The majority of the military effort would be theirs, with the US assisting. Same would go for the recovery efforts, with hopefully the international community helping in terms of aid. It would be one of the largest humanitarian missions in history.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52148187]I'm sure we'd have plenty of defectors. They are conscripts brought into this, not jihadis who live off of the ideological fervor[/QUOTE] Not sure how many would defect when it risks your family being executed back home. [editline]26th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Jim_Riley;52148274]The Norks have like minimal combat experience. Their troops virtually starve and are more zeal than actual proper military training. I have little doubt they'll put up much of a strategic fight and will straight lose versus anything the United States could throw at them. Sure, they may attempt to fanatically fight to the last man but so what? There's a difference between being a fanatically, strong and modern military and an outdated, starving military who happens to have nothing but zeal on their side. Wars take more than just zeal. On another note, I have no reason to believe we'll go to war any time soon. We've been through worse case scenarios before that were more likely to lead to war and nothing happened. Hell, people here are quick to cry "war!" At the drop of a dime. Just last month everyone thought Syria was some how going to erupt into WWIII, lol.[/QUOTE] Incredible zeal over training or supplies only leads to one thing in war: An exponentially growing body county the longer the war goes on. You end up with North Koreans getting themselves killed day after day trying to pull off military maneuvers that just won't work against a coalition force but the constant failure won't put them off of it and they'll keep doing it until half of them are the pavement to Pyongyang.

Today's the day?

[QUOTE=Claxx;52152411]Today's the day?[/QUOTE] Yes.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;52151781]Not really, Iraq was fairly simple, however Vietnam was anything but a tactical victory, it was a complete disaster against an opponent with 20 years of combat exprience, who managed to succesfully hold their ground against both the French, and the Japanese empires prior ro the US having a go too. Afganistan wasn't a walk in the park either. You guys forget a lot of details when remembering these wars for some reason.[/QUOTE] What are you talking about, the US won every engagement with North Vietnam. It was a total, tactical victory. What failed in Vietnam was overall strategy for the war. We didn't want to invade North Vietnam (which would have ended the war very quickly) because of fears of the USSR retaliating. There probably would have been an insurgency for a while after, but the war for the greater part would have been over much earlier than 1975.

T - 2 hours 45 minutes. Are you all ready for World War Trump? This is going to be Yuuuge.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;52153035]T - 2 hours 45 minutes. Are you all ready for World War Trump? This is going to be Yuuuge.[/QUOTE] "It will be the biggest, and the greatest war you have ever seen. I mean it. It's going to be the greatest. Period."

[QUOTE=CreeplyTuna;52151567]And we said the same thing it Vietnam, and we were right the whole time. We fucking obliterated those countries. The US wins tactically every time, but since we're still failing to learn how to win over the hearts and minds of the people who's families were bombing, we'd walk away from NK with our tails between our legs again and leaving the shit for someone else to fix[/QUOTE] Winning hearts and minds was part of the US tactical failure in Vietnam. That's why the Vietcong used guerilla tactics as they were unidentifiable from Vietnamese peasants. US attrition tactics only made themselves lose support [editline]26th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52152933]What are you talking about, the US won every engagement with North Vietnam. It was a total, tactical victory. What failed in Vietnam was overall strategy for the war. We didn't want to invade North Vietnam (which would have ended the war very quickly) because of fears of the USSR retaliating. There probably would have been an insurgency for a while after, but the war for the greater part would have been over much earlier than 1975.[/QUOTE] I think he was talking about the Viet Cong rather than the NVA

WWT (the acronym matches with trump/WWTHREE, HOLY FUCK WE'RE DOOMED)

T-minus one hour...

Time for me to hunker down in my bullshit bunker!

[QUOTE=Crooky14;52153086] I think he was talking about the Viet Cong rather than the NVA[/QUOTE] The Viet Cong were utterly devastated by the US

should be starting now

I'm gonna ask again, is there a way to watch these gatherings online?

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52153850]I'm gonna ask again, is there a way to watch these gatherings online?[/QUOTE] It's not available to the public, iirc

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52153850]I'm gonna ask again, is there a way to watch these gatherings online?[/QUOTE] I haven't seen anything about this being publiy viewable, and I believe that this is the reason why it is held in the White House, away from prying eyes. Even if this one is publicly viewable, I don't expect future meetings to be, considering the anti-transparency policies that the current government has

i'm expecting to come back from class to see a declaration of war