• Game developers prevented from monetizing their own game's footage due to Youtube's new copyright sy
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[QUOTE=STIGintheBRIG;43254414] I know it has been hashed out about a million times now but doesn't fair use doctrine make a large majority of these claims moot?[/QUOTE] The issue is about being able to make advertising money off your videos, fair use wouldn't apply to those scenarios where people monetised videos that contain content they didn't get permission to use. This is a pretty what-the-fuck case though.
I'm really hoping a lawsuit occurs because of this, it could change everything.
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43254526]I'd find it ironic if one of the big porn video sites makes their own video site for non porn content. [editline]wait[/editline] But on the other hand, they already have it all figured out. Duplicate the porn site, wipe the old content and redecorate & reskin it. Host it on a separate server park with a new url and bam!!, youtube competitor.[/QUOTE] This is hilarious but probably one of the only feasible solutions.
I've been involved in NMRiH for many years now. And this is absolutely insane. NMRiH uses 100% custom content and it owned by the team members.
youtube is really starting to get on my fucking nerves now. why does everything successful have to deteriorate into utter shit
You guys act like its a god given right to monetize things on YouTube
A lot of people do it to pay rent, and make a living, so when Youtube suddenly cuts them off without warning it's a bit fucked up.
[QUOTE=Del91;43258676]A lot of people do it to pay rent, and make a living, so when Youtube suddenly cuts them off without warning it's a bit fucked up.[/QUOTE] You don't think it was maybe a bad idea to use youtube of all things to pay for rent?
[QUOTE=Del91;43258676]A lot of people do it to pay rent, and make a living, so when Youtube suddenly cuts them off without warning it's a bit fucked up.[/QUOTE] It is fucked up but they really shouldnt just rely on making youtube videos for a living. Thats not very smart. Sure it worked for some people but they had jobs before.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;43254205]I'm convinced Google has completely handed the keys to Youtube's copyright system over to the big rightsholders. It's not protecting artists, it's corporate censorship.[/QUOTE] I was afraid this was going to happen. 'murica
[QUOTE=Irespawnoften;43255856]The pirate tube. Make it happen.[/QUOTE] I wonder how feasible it would actually be to make something like a peer to peer based streaming video site. Since it would be utilizing the user's own bandwidth and local storage for videos then it wouldn't need to have a big central hub sort of deal for the servers. though it does mean videos could be lost to time easier. [editline]20th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=areolop;43258607]You guys act like its a god given right to monetize things on YouTube[/QUOTE] Or people are acting like they're acting within the monetization rules for Youtube and still getting fucked over by Google's seemingly complete apathy about the situation.
[QUOTE=Saxon;43254558]This Not being able to monetize your video is not censorship[/QUOTE] He's right, it's not censorship, it's theft. If someone is monetizing your video and stealing the ad revenue for something they don't have the rights to, it's straight up theft. Not even questionably theft, like pirating, but straight up, unambiguous stealing.
Angry Joe, Total Biscuit, Jesse Cox, Pewdeepie, and other who frequently active on youtube, uploading videos and monetize them like it's a job, and they enjoy doing this but since google is trying to put an end to that, it will cripple them economically.
[QUOTE=darkedone02;43258932]Angry Joe, Total Biscuit, Jesse Cox, Pewdeepie, and other who frequently active on youtube, uploading videos and monetize them like it's a job, and they enjoy doing this but since google is trying to put an end to that, it will cripple them economically.[/QUOTE] maybe they should make there own site's and just YouTube as a link to it.
[QUOTE=areolop;43258607]You guys act like its a god given right to monetize things on YouTube[/QUOTE] You act like it's a god given right for google to do stupid shit and not expect backlash.
[QUOTE=darkedone02;43258932]Angry Joe, Total Biscuit, Jesse Cox, Pewdeepie, and other who frequently active on youtube, uploading videos and monetize them like it's a job, and they enjoy doing this but since google is trying to put an end to that, it will cripple them economically.[/QUOTE] well actually since TB and the like are managed partners they get all of the legal stuff taken care of automatically the people this affects are the mid to low audience ones.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;43259372]well actually since TB and the like are managed partners they get all of the legal stuff taken care of automatically the people this affects are the mid to low audience ones.[/QUOTE] Angry Joe got over 60 videos flagged and each one had over 1 million views. Not exactly a small channel.
This just happened with i believe Terry Cavanagh as well.
[QUOTE=areolop;43258607]You guys act like its a god given right to monetize things on YouTube[/QUOTE] It is if the uploader owns everything in the video. SO many people who upload content to YouTube are getting their videos flagged by content ID even though the material is 100% owned and created by them, because YouTube is systematically fucking over an inexcusably huge portion of their (once?) loyal userbase with a system that doesn't do its job properly. Whether or not lets players should be able to monetize their videos is another debate entirely, but when people can't monetize videos of content they created personally, things are fucked up. But nobody will do anything because there's no other place to go! YouTube pretty much has a free pass to do anything and never listen to user feedback because they have a veritable monopoly on video sharing. And, until someone makes a good alternative, YouTube will keep doing shit that benefits themselves, even if it fucks over everyone else on the website.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;43259392]Angry Joe got over 60 videos flagged and each one had over 1 million views. Not exactly a small channel.[/QUOTE] Still small compared to PDP and TB's audience size he also doesn't know how to brown nose execs so that's a thing
V GOLD V [QUOTE=areolop;43258607]You guys act like its a god given right to monetize things on YouTube[/QUOTE] ^ GOLD ^ [QUOTE=Stents*;43254227]While I agree its fucking stupid that Youtube and Google are pulling this shit, it's not censorship.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Saxon;43254558]This Not being able to monetize your video is not censorship[/QUOTE] [url]http://stupidshitfacepunchsays.tumblr.com/[/url]
I'm completely serious though. YouTube is ass-backwards with the copyright stuff, but ultimately its their site and they dont need to allow any type of money to be made from anything posted. They could scrap monetization tomorrow.
[QUOTE=Saxon;43254558]This Not being able to monetize your video is not censorship[/QUOTE] But let's say people like Sessler or TB put out a review. And it completely rips the piss of the game. Well that company can just go Hey, Copyrights. Flag. And you get to wait 30 days, and possibly another 30 days if they say Nope, reinstated, bitch. If they really want to screw you they can, without repercussions, they can just flag your shit. The only thing you can really do to fight it is threaten to sue them which they might take you up on that offer, or might not. Censorship disguised as copyright bullshit Meanwhile, your monetized review that's pulling in views is giving THEM the money while the claim is being fought, rather than you, even though you made the video. If I were to go to the highway, and record video of cars passing by, is Honda and Ford and Nissan going to file a claim? Why couldn't they if gaming videos can be flagged? Luckily it isn't the gaming devs that are doing it, but an automated out dated bot, basically. But there are people behind the scenes that review each case
[QUOTE=areolop;43259486]I'm completely serious though. YouTube is ass-backwards with the copyright stuff, but ultimately its their site and they dont need to allow any type of money to be made from anything posted. They could scrap monetization tomorrow.[/QUOTE] It's their site but they're also the only video host that is big too, where else can they even go? shitting on everyone sure isn't their right, especially since they're shitting on Customers. You can shit on customers, sure, but it will screw you over. Look at EA. "Game developers prevented from monetizing their own game's footage due to Youtube's new copyright system" Yeah how about you at least give me a towel before you SHIT ON MY FACE why did they add it in the first place if no one, not even the owner of the content, can post anything? [video=youtube;35P2-kVuHKI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35P2-kVuHKI[/video] instead of simply disabling monotization they completely fuck over the guy posting it with a stupid system that doesn't work and never will. Three strikes is [I]especially bad.[/I]
[QUOTE=areolop;43259486]I'm completely serious though. YouTube is ass-backwards with the copyright stuff, but ultimately its their site and they dont need to allow any type of money to be made from anything posted. They could scrap monetization tomorrow.[/QUOTE] 1.) It's their site but they should follow their own rules if they are going to implement a system such as this. 2.) They could scrap it but the monetization system is a huge source of income for themselves. 3.) They may be able to afford it but they are hurting themselves by doing this sort of shit. They are driving people away from the site at an ever expanding rate.
woah woah woah. I never said they [I]should[/I] scrap it or that its a good idea to, but rather pointing out that its their site and they can do what the want with it.. If they truly wanted to take it out, they could. Thats the point im making.
how would youtube make money without monetization anyways aside from super minor shit?
[QUOTE=areolop;43259635]woah woah woah. I never said they [I]should[/I] scrap it or that its a good idea to, but rather pointing out that its their site and they can do what the want with it.. If they truly wanted to take it out, they could. Thats the point im making.[/QUOTE] Just because they can do what they want with their site doesn't make it remotely okay and doesn't invalidate any of the criticisms leveled their way. They provided this system, of course everyone is going to get bent out of shape when they fuck it up and even worse when they seemingly have no intentions of even addressing the problem. It's simply not right.
[QUOTE=areolop;43259635]woah woah woah. I never said they [I]should[/I] scrap it or that its a good idea to, but rather pointing out that its their site and they can do what the want with it.. If they truly wanted to take it out, they could. Thats the point im making.[/QUOTE] Sure, they could also take down all the videos and put up a single cat picture instead, but they won't because it's a stupid thing for a business to do and would alienate their user base.
[QUOTE=J!NX;43259644]how would youtube make money without monetization anyways aside from super minor shit?[/QUOTE] It wouldn't be hard for them to slap ads in videos and just not give the creator money. Exactly the same way almost every "alternative" site does this. As for a "new Youtube" happening. Not happening. If you want something that is both as big as Youtube, and as functional (despite all this nonsense, Youtube is hella functional), you're living in a dream world. The capital required to get something of this scale running properly means there are zero start-ups capable of doing it, existing companies by and large know not to start hundreds of projects up (unlike Google) as it is just massively expensive and hard to manage. The current alternatives suck not only because Youtube is so damn big, but also because it's so expensive to run something like that.
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