• Smells like bacon: Humans Share Food Chain Level With Pigs
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[QUOTE=TestECull;43054882]We have rifles. Johnny Polar Bear does not. We have nuclear weapons. Burmese Tigers do not. We have fighter jets. Orangutans do not. We've been to the freaking moon. Gorillas haven't. And when was the last time you saw an african lion driving an M1 Abrahms? A Cheetah at the helm of the USS John C Stennis? Are meerkats running nuclear power plants? Are otters running nuclear submarines? [/QUOTE] Please stop tempting fate.
[QUOTE=KnightVista;43051391]How? We are the top of the food chain. We eat anything and everything we want.[/QUOTE] Yes. And we actually choose to eat what we eat and put ourselves lower into the food chain. Which you would possibly know if you read the article. [editline]3rd December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=TestECull;43054882]Erm...you're ignoring a very important thing. We have rifles. Johnny Polar Bear does not. We have nuclear weapons. Burmese Tigers do not. We have fighter jets. Orangutans do not. We've been to the freaking moon. Gorillas haven't. And when was the last time you saw an african lion driving an M1 Abrahms? A Cheetah at the helm of the USS John C Stennis? Are meerkats running nuclear power plants? Are otters running nuclear submarines? We are the top of the food chain because we decided to be. We control the fates of entire species. We have a way to annihilate all life on the surface and most life below the surface. We can leave the planet entirely. That makes us the king of the hill under the international law of "Go fuck yourself, Nature". No other species that has ever existed on Earth can even remotely claim that.[/QUOTE] Stop being stupid and actually read the article. You have no idea what you are talking about.
[QUOTE=KnightVista;43051391]How? We are the top of the food chain. We eat anything and everything we want.[/QUOTE] no, you do not eat everything you want
Same food chain as pigs and anchovies? I don't see them going to restaurants. [editline]3rd December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=catbarf;43055668]No, we're not, and frankly I don't think you understood the article if you even read it. The rating is not a measure of arbitrary position on a hypothetical food chain, which most scientists don't even take seriously since it's an extremely limited, narrow, and just plain inaccurate view of relationships between different species. This rating is a measure of energy requirement and population sustainability. --[/QUOTE] Also this is a good post.
We had better start eating more apex predators to boost our score. Who's up for some leopard hunting?
So if plants are at the very bottom of this, and things at the bottom are either omnivores or herbivores, does this mean that plants can eat each other?
So the cops are human after all.
If you eat pigs you're a higher trophic level than them.
[QUOTE=ViralHatred;43054865]You vs Lion without a gun. Human innovation: 0. Nature: 1.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Man-rips-leopards-tongue-out-20050622]Not a guaranteed loss.[/url]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43052252]also is this article coming out to cash in on the dailymail article that made the outrageous claim that humans evolved from a chimp/pig hybrid?[/QUOTE] that's like saying... [t]http://thepatriotperspective.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/manbearpig.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=catbarf;43055668]The rating is not a measure of arbitrary position on a hypothetical food chain, which most scientists don't even take seriously since it's an extremely limited, narrow, and just plain inaccurate view of relationships between different species.[/QUOTE] Which is why it's a total joke. There are so many examples that don't even consider humans that absolutely break everything that it's an utter joke. [QUOTE=catbarf;43055668]If humans were a 5 we would have mostly died of starvation long ago due to a lack of suitable prey animals. The fact that we can sustain ourselves with plants and low-level animals allows us to sustain a large population relative to the populations of the prey animals we feed upon, and consequently we have a lower number.[/QUOTE] No, all that would mean is that we'd have to have even more factory farming going on with chickens and other shit to eat. We have the ability to utterly break this index in every conceivable way, mostly through technology. The index is useless, and probably not worth discussing.
[QUOTE=ViralHatred;43054865]You vs Lion without a gun. Human innovation: 0. Nature: 1.[/QUOTE] This guy actually got a point
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;43057908]This guy actually got a point[/QUOTE] How? Not out fault animals never had the brain to create weapons, Our brain is our weapon like their claws and teeth are theirs.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;43057651]Which is why it's a total joke. There are so many examples that don't even consider humans that absolutely break everything that it's an utter joke.[/QUOTE] So did you just gloss over the part where I said that the food chain idea is useless and nobody uses it or what? [QUOTE=Zephyrs;43057651]No, all that would mean is that we'd have to have even more factory farming going on with chickens and other shit to eat. We have the ability to utterly break this index in every conceivable way, mostly through technology. The index is useless, and probably not worth discussing.[/QUOTE] Except that those chickens require more feed, and that more feed requires more farmland to grow. By using an energy pyramid model we can determine the net ecological requirements for a given population. Figuring out whether an area can sustain a given human population without relying on imports is a pretty big deal, as is determining what effects on food efficiency a change in diet could have. If we have a single rating for human population in an area, we can extrapolate to get a pretty good idea of just how much land needs to be devoted to food production. That's extremely useful research.
[QUOTE=Lf751;43058054]How? Not out fault animals never had the brain to create weapons, Our brain is our weapon like their claws and teeth are theirs.[/QUOTE] A human isnt born with an understanding of the mechanical concepts nescessary to create ballistic weaponry. In a 'fair fight', meaning a competition of sheer weight and damage potential, we are not really able to compete with anything our own size unless we see it coming. Our strength comes with our ability to communicate in incredible detail, where as the animals that ties for the second most organized pack-structures can only communicate in the abstract, like signalling danger. A human can with a sentence explain to another human how to strike two rocks together to ignite a flammable object, the extreme conclusion of all for example is a design Bureau collaborating to create a machine that can propel itself into deep space. I think its safe to say no other terrestrial animal does that.
this thread makes me feel powerful "I'm human and I eat what I damn well please." [editline]4th December 2013[/editline] yet im eating pot noodle fuk it [editline]4th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ViralHatred;43054865]You vs Lion without a gun. Human innovation: 0. Nature: 1.[/QUOTE] ye except nature gave us the ability to make guns so guns are basically nature so fuck you and your shitty analogies [editline]4th December 2013[/editline] you vs lion without earth human: 0 lion: 0
[QUOTE=TestECull;43054882]Erm...you're ignoring a very important thing. We have rifles. Johnny Polar Bear does not. We have nuclear weapons. Burmese Tigers do not. We have fighter jets. Orangutans do not. We've been to the freaking moon. Gorillas haven't. And when was the last time you saw an african lion driving an M1 Abrahms? A Cheetah at the helm of the USS John C Stennis? Are meerkats running nuclear power plants? Are otters running nuclear submarines? We are the top of the food chain because we decided to be. We control the fates of entire species. We have a way to annihilate all life on the surface and most life below the surface. We can leave the planet entirely. That makes us the king of the hill under the international law of "Go fuck yourself, Nature". No other species that has ever existed on Earth can even remotely claim that.[/QUOTE] You showcase quite a large lack of reading cmoprehension. In part, our position on the food chain is due to the fact we are omnivorous and eat from all position of it. But if you want to get into it from a purely physical standpoint, humans even without technology, were and still are one of the apex predators. We are one of toughest, strongest and most resilient species on the planet. We aren't the fastest but humans never hunted by pure speed. They usually hunted by stamina. [QUOTE=Samiam22;43055076]honestly i don't think a lion would need a gun to kill someone[/QUOTE] The thing is, humans hunted more like wolves in a lot of ways. And even so a single human is one of the most dangerous animals on a per weight basis. Let's say a lion goes to something like 250kg, an adult male to what? 90? Now imagine that lion against 3 people and the equation becomes a lot less direct. Even more so if they find sticks.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43051342][url]http://www.popsci.com/article/science/humans-share-food-chain-level-pigs-study-finds?dom=PSC&loc=recent&lnk=2&con=humans-share-food-chain-level-with-pigs-study-finds[/url][/QUOTE] Wrong.
itt: people with western worldview (with regard to humanity's place in the universe) disregard science to espouse baseless anthropocentrism
i would like them to talk to pre-historic man, who as evidence shows, was able and did eat everything with legs including saber-toothed cats, wolves, mamoth and giant bear [editline]3rd December 2013[/editline] oh its a metric of where our food comes from, so while we can enjoy sharkfin soup (totally horrible btw) the carrots on the side lower our standing greatly i guess we're too l33t for the list though cas we eat everything and thats why theres billions of us and only a few thousands of top notch preditors (not counting man's influence...)
[QUOTE=Karsten600;43052070]Seems pretty stupid. We're the smartest species, and we can do whatever we please. Just like Knightvista said.[/QUOTE] Tell me how we're smart when we're destroying the only biosphere we live in :v:
[QUOTE=spaceghostx;43063744]Tell me how we're smart when we're destroying the only biosphere we live in :v:[/QUOTE] We're trying to survive, unfortunately it comes with a sacrifice in the long run.
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