[QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;48055669]There's plenty of passages about killing non-believers, though. I'm not saying they all follow it to the book, but how can you tell which ones do?
I do fear Islam - I don't hate muslims, I don't think they're less than me, but I do have a little anxiety in the back of my mind if I see one nearby as I know the time we're living in and it's impossible to tell who's going to do something and start murdering in the streets. We're in a time now where this can and is happening.
I'd consider myself a fairly reasonable guy, I don't hate anyone based on religion, colour, sexual orientation.. but how can I physically not be scared when stuff like this keeps happening? When ISIS exists?
I'm sorry, I'll leave the thread now - I just wanted to get my thoughts out there. I'm sure a [I]lot[/I] of people are thinking the same way but are too scared to say anything.[/QUOTE]
the only real reason that you feel possibly uncomfortable around muslims is because you've bought into the whole culture of paranoia against them.
i live in lewiston, maine - which is known for it's somali population. all of them are predominately muslim and i've lived around them for years: school, college, grocery stores, whatever, and whenever i go for a walk. this trumps any inexperience i've had, and i think you need to grow the fuck up and stop feeling nervous around them.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48055750]Far from it, to be honest. But even as a non-European, I can certainly tell that there's a big issue and it'd be nice to engage in a thought-provoking conversation.[/QUOTE]
If it does not include the belief that most Muslims (whether "true" Muslims or not), people from a majority Muslim/Arab State or people of color have a tendency to use violence - or are somehow different than other people you are free to discuss as much as you want.
No one is surprised at this, as long as the west keeps pushing these terrorist attacks under the carpet pretending there is not a problem, the more attacks like this will increase. Apparently national security is not a priority if it offends someone.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;48055765]If it does not include the belief that most Muslims (whether "true" Muslims or not), people from a majority Muslim/Arab State or people of color have a tendency to use violence - or are somehow different than other people you are free to discuss as much as you want.[/QUOTE]
Nah, nothing of the sort. My opinion is that incidents such as these only ruin it for the majority of immigrants from Islamic countries. Things will only get more and more difficult for them, specially for those who have problems blending into their host country already.
I don't buy the whole "hurr durr they're invading us" logic, that's the media injecting paranoia into people's minds.
[editline]26th June 2015[/editline]
And racists taking the bait hook, line and sinker.
Wait if it is a terrorist that's been beheaded then who did it?
It would be amazing if it was factory worker giving them a dose of their own medicine in defence.
[QUOTE=Arrows;48055784]No one is surprised at this, as long as the west keeps pushing these terrorist attacks under the carpet pretending there is not a problem, the more attacks like this will increase. Apparently national security is not a priority if it offends someone.[/QUOTE]
Let's ignore European countries taking action for their own security after the Charlie Hebdo attacks(i.e. Belgium country-wide operation to detain suspects, etc.)
talking out your ass there buddy
[QUOTE=Buck.;48055825]Wait if it is a terrorist that's been beheaded then who did it?
It would be amazing if it was factory worker giving them a dose of their own medicine in defence.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if I would stay behind wasting time beheading a terrorist with others still lurking around.
Either way if someone did it I'm sure we'll know.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;48055837]Let's ignore European countries taking action for their own security after the Charlie Hebdo attacks(i.e. Belgium country-wide operation to detain suspects, etc.)
talking out your ass there buddy[/QUOTE]
psst
check out his ban list
i wouldn't take his post seriously
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;48055666]
Woah what?
Why would they behead one of their own?[/QUOTE]
No idea, but the corpse isn't an employee. He's still unidentified. Either some unlucky guy they killed beforehand to send the message, or one of their own who wanted to bail. No idea.
[QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;48055633]Islam is a very touchy subject on this forum, there could be a second 9/11 and you'd still be banned for saying anything negative about it.[/QUOTE]
Don't fool yourself now. We're banning posts like this:
[QUOTE=davidrb18;48055487]He a good boy mashah allah
He dindu nuffin takbir[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Moupi;48055465]That would be awfully islamophobic. We all know muslims are the true victims here.
[/QUOTE]
And not actual, respectable and [B]NORMAL[/B] posts whether it is pro or anti-Islam.
So can we drop this "oh i'm being persecuted by the moderators" act?????????????
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Haskell;48055493]Lets hope they don't hop to the Netherlands.[/QUOTE]
They'll be too stoned if they come here. Instead of blowing themselves up, they'll just end up blowing.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;48055837]Let's ignore European countries taking action for their own security after the Charlie Hebdo attacks(i.e. Belgium country-wide operation to detain suspects, etc.)
talking out your ass there buddy[/QUOTE]
Don't be silly everyone knows the European union won't allow any eu member to control it's borders.
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[QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;48055633]Islam is a very touchy subject on this forum, there could be a second 9/11 and you'd still be banned for saying anything negative about it.[/QUOTE]
People call it Islamophobic when people talk as though the Islam itself is to blame for the attacks, rather than a series of complex geopolitical factors which happen to have had ramifications mainly centred on an Islam heavy part of the world. Islam, in its actual teachings, isn't any more disgusting, misogynist, and ignorant then any religion as commonplace in the West.
These attacks are awful but its not Islam's fault. Blame the organizations exploiting people who already feel oppressed, using their religion as a propaganda machine.
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[QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;48055669]There's plenty of passages about killing non-believers, though. I'm not saying they all follow it to the book, but how can you tell which ones do?[/quote]
There's a big bit about religious self defense which can be interpreted as killing the infidels, yeah...
But a really similar passage is in the old testament and the Torah.
And there's other bits of all those books about living in harmony with other religions, and about converting through charity.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;48055752]the only real reason that you feel possibly uncomfortable around muslims is because you've bought into the whole culture of paranoia against them.
i live in lewiston, maine - which is known for it's somali population. all of them are predominately muslim and i've lived around them for years: school, college, grocery stores, whatever, and whenever i go for a walk. this trumps any inexperience i've had, and i think you need to grow the fuck up and stop feeling nervous around them.[/QUOTE]
I never said it was rational, I don't [I]want[/I] to feel nervous around them. It's mainly because I come from a place where there is a very, very tiny amount of muslims so I never really see them or interract with them. Doesn't help that my parents are total islamophobes, too.
[quote=Swebonny]
And not actual, respectable and NORMAL posts whether it is pro or anti-Islam.
So can we drop this "oh i'm being persecuted by the moderators" act?????????????[/quote]
I apologise, it was a little out of order and I'm not sure why I posted it now..
more power to you for wanting to make an serious effort then
[QUOTE=deltasquid;48055483]My mom works at Air Products (not that factory) and called to see what's going on. Apparently, the beheaded person is one of the terrorists. None of the employees are killed.[/QUOTE]
Nevermind, apparently the beheaded victim is a delivery man who was on his way to the company.
[url=http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/33982/Islamitische-Staat/article/detail/2377078/2015/06/26/LIVE-Slachtoffer-onthoofding-kwam-leveren-bij-firma-verdachte-woont-nabij-Lyon.dhtml] Dutch source here.[/url]
[QUOTE=deltasquid;48056155]Nevermind, apparently the beheaded victim is a delivery man who was on his way to the company.
[url=http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/33982/Islamitische-Staat/article/detail/2377078/2015/06/26/LIVE-Slachtoffer-onthoofding-kwam-leveren-bij-firma-verdachte-woont-nabij-Lyon.dhtml] Dutch source here.[/url][/QUOTE]
Also on the BBC: [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-33287095[/url]
Apparently it is the delivery business manager rather than a driver.
FOK OFF NOT AGAIN
Welp, doing whatever it takes to get a weapon permit fuck this shit I'm not getting beheaded by some durka durka
[QUOTE=Swebonny;48055864]Don't fool yourself now. We're banning posts like this:
And not actual, respectable and [B]NORMAL[/B] posts whether it is pro or anti-Islam.
So can we drop this "oh i'm being persecuted by the moderators" act?????????????
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Good ol' Swedes.
[QUOTE=AlexDeviant;48056313]Welp, doing whatever it takes to get a weapon permit fuck this shit I'm not getting beheaded by some durka durka[/QUOTE]
Good idea, so now if we spot a terrorist with a gun he will be like "hey i can carry a gun, it's legal".
Just buy a knife dude.
I always carry a knife in my pocket and a M9 bayonet in my backpack.
Racist fascist neonazi islamophobe cis scum out of this thread, real muslims are peaceful people. Yes, even if this means only a small percentage of them are real.
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[QUOTE=Swebonny;48055864]Don't fool yourself now. We're banning posts like this:
And not actual, respectable and [B]NORMAL[/B] posts whether it is pro or anti-Islam.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Then why is being banned for islamophobia a thing?
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[QUOTE=Zhid;48056340]Racist fascist neonazi islamophobe cis scum out of this thread, real muslims are peaceful people. Yes, even if this means only a small percentage of them are real.
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you are fucking brainwashed if you think sane muslims are the [I]minority[/I]
-l8 and dont banana me-
[QUOTE=Zhid;48056340]real muslims are peaceful people. Yes, even if this means only a small percentage of them are real.[/QUOTE]
What is a real Muslim? I think a real Muslim would actually be a p. horrible person.
[QUOTE=Jame's;48056325]Good ol' Swedes.[/QUOTE]
Do you feel targeted?
[QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;48056115]I never said it was rational, I don't [I]want[/I] to feel nervous around them. It's mainly because I come from a place where there is a very, very tiny amount of muslims so I never really see them or interract with them. Doesn't help that my parents are total islamophobes, too.
I apologise, it was a little out of order and I'm not sure why I posted it now..[/QUOTE]
Looks like your town needs some cultural enrichment
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;48056427]What is a real Muslim? I think a real Muslim would actually be a p. horrible person.[/QUOTE]
Everyone can be/become "a horrible person", they just need a reason to do horrible things.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;48056427]What is a real Muslim? I think a real Muslim would actually be a p. horrible person.[/QUOTE]
what is a 'real muslim'
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;48056427]What is a real Muslim? I think a real Muslim would actually be a p. horrible person.[/QUOTE]
All things considered, one that follows the Quran and the Hadith's as they're given.The Quran being the literal word of Allah, and the Hadith's the teachings of Muhammad. One thing to consider with that are the schools of Islam being in agreement that it's literal and not interpretive.
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