• Man 'Beheaded As Islamist Flag Found' In France
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[QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;48055669]There's plenty of passages about killing non-believers, though. I'm not saying they all follow it to the book, but how can you tell which ones do? I do fear Islam - I don't hate muslims, I don't think they're less than me, but I do have a little anxiety in the back of my mind if I see one nearby as I know the time we're living in and it's impossible to tell who's going to do something and start murdering in the streets. We're in a time now where this can and is happening. I'd consider myself a fairly reasonable guy, I don't hate anyone based on religion, colour, sexual orientation.. but how can I physically not be scared when stuff like this keeps happening? When ISIS exists? I'm sorry, I'll leave the thread now - I just wanted to get my thoughts out there. I'm sure a [I]lot[/I] of people are thinking the same way but are too scared to say anything.[/QUOTE] More like Lord Xenoyiaphobia
[QUOTE=Swebonny;48056441]Do you feel targeted?[/QUOTE] Not really no. I just find it hard to be as liberal as you Sweden.
[QUOTE=Zotobom;48056523]More like Lord Xenoyiaphobia[/QUOTE] In a lot of cases in Britain, it's the non British being Xenophobic to the British and they're given Carte Blanche over that. To have a reaction as he has from that is natural.
[QUOTE=Nikota;48056495]All things considered, one that follows the Quran and the Hadith's as they're given.The Quran being the literal word of Allah, and the Hadith's the teachings of Muhammad. [/quote] Then a 'real' christian is a dick. A 'real' Hindi is a dick. Religions written long ago have very archaic values in certain respects. But most of the moral values they teach like charity and forgiveness and all that are universal. I think a true muslim or a true christian is someone who is true to the overall themes of that religion. [quote]One thing to consider with that are the schools of Islam being in agreement that it's literal and not interpretive.[/QUOTE] Dunno where you heard this but that's utterly untrue. Its as debated as it is in any other religion. Overall, if you take religious texts as poetry, and look past some of the outdated ideas, as many religious people do, there are some nice teachings.
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;48056750]Then a 'real' christian is a dick. A 'real' Hindi is a dick. Religions written long ago have very archaic values in certain respects. But some of the moral values they teach like charity and forgiveness and all that are universal. I think a true muslim or a true christian is someone who is true to the overall themes of that religion. Dunno where you heard this but that's utterly untrue. Its as debated as it is in any other religion. Overall, if you take religious texts as poetry, and look past some of the outdated ideas, as many religious people do, there are some nice teachings.[/QUOTE] You have to be a Cultural Relativists about how it is. You can't assign what you think it should be, you have to understand how they themselves see it. The schools of thought are that you can't do that with Islam. It's written in a different way than the bible was and it's given in such a way that to do that is sacrilege. A lot of it has to do with the way that the Quran was created. It was done in a way that it was the Literal/Directly transcribed word of god, rather than compared to the bible where it was a collection gathered by the orders of Constantine. There isn't an interpretive aspect of it. It has to be read this way, in this language(Arabic).
It is believed to be the exact word of God and that's accepted and I think this is what you're thinking of, but what is debated is whether god meant it to be taken literally, or as poetry for interpretation There is a distinction and there is absolutely not a consensus within Islam. Otherwise, wouldn't they all be homophobes, mysogynists etc.
[QUOTE=pedrus24;48055464]What the fuck is their goal, why would they attack a factory?[/QUOTE] Fear
Shooting in Tunisia too: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33291475[/url] Also I think a mosque in Quebec was bombed today. Terrible few days. They'll probably be a thread posted soon.
[QUOTE=Nikota;48056777]You have to be a Cultural Relativists about how it is. You can't assign what you think it should be, you have to understand how they themselves see it. The schools of thought are that you can't do that with Islam. It's written in a different way than the bible was and it's given in such a way that to do that is sacrilege. A lot of it has to do with the way that the Quran was created. It was done in a way that it was the Literal/Directly transcribed word of god, rather than compared to the bible where it was a collection gathered by the orders of Constantine. There isn't an interpretive aspect of it. It has to be read this way, in this language(Arabic).[/QUOTE] Whether it's supposed to be taken literally or not doesn't matter, because most people from both religions have, and will continue to, do either wherever convenient.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;48059661]Whether it's supposed to be taken literally or not doesn't matter, because most people from both religions have, and will continue to, do either wherever convenient.[/QUOTE] Exactly. The point is, it's not the religion itself to blame, but rather how it's been used.
[QUOTE=V12US;48055871]They'll be too stoned if they come here. Instead of blowing themselves up, they'll just end up blowing.[/QUOTE] I can't believe I google-image'd stoned muslim. Kind of ruined the joke for me.
I've heard that the beheaded guy was the factory owner and one of the terrorists was employed by him, I'm not entirely sure though. Read that in our local newspaper.
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